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20:27:23 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Services Resource Access Working Group Teleconference
20:27:23 <trackbot> Date: 19 January 2010
20:27:27 <Zakim> +Wu_Chou
20:27:41 <Zakim> +Bob_Freund
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20:28:59 <Zakim> +Doug_Davis
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20:29:05 <Bob> zakim, aaaa is sreed
20:29:05 <Zakim> +sreed; got it
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20:29:33 <dug> ah, never got the agenda email
20:30:04 <Zakim> + +1.571.262.aabb
20:30:22 <Bob> zakim, aabb is vikas
20:30:22 <Zakim> +vikas; got it
20:30:25 <Zakim> + +1.408.642.aacc
20:30:49 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
20:30:57 <Bob> zakim, aacc is Gilbert
20:30:57 <Zakim> +Gilbert; got it
20:31:10 <Zakim> +Yves
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20:33:35 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
20:33:46 <Bob> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2010Jan/0090.html
20:33:57 <Zakim> +??P22
20:34:07 <Zakim> + +03531803aadd
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20:36:07 <Bob> scribe: Vikas
20:36:26 <Bob> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2010Jan/0090.html
20:36:54 <dug> wow, 30!  :-)
20:37:02 <dug> such the optimist 
20:37:34 <Vikas> AGENDA: Agenda accepted without any objection in the working group.
20:38:13 <Vikas> RESOLUTION: The minutes from Dec 15 2009  meeting has been approved without objection
20:38:27 <Vikas> RESOLUTION: The minutes from Jan 05 2010 meeting has been approved without objection
20:38:46 <dug> do we have the logistic for the f2f? street address? times?
20:39:12 <gpilz> q+
20:39:28 <Zakim> + +1.408.970.aaee
20:39:30 <asir> it appears that the W3C list archive is not (or slow in) pushing out mails to list subscribers
20:39:46 <Vikas> RESOLUTION: The minutes from Jan 12  2010 meeting has been approved without objection
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20:40:03 <Bob> f2f logistics http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Dec/0010.html
20:49:23 <Ram> Proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2010Jan/0065.html 
20:49:51 <Vikas> TOPIC: Issue http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8068
20:50:10 <Ram> Proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2010Jan/0065.html 
20:51:13 <Vikas> RESOLUTION: Resloved as proposed above.
20:51:35 <Tom_Rutt> s/esloved/esolved/
20:51:53 <Zakim> +JeffM
20:51:57 <Vikas> TOPIC: Issue http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8180
20:52:25 <Ram> q+
20:52:45 <Bob> ack gp
20:52:47 <dug> LOL the color throw me too
20:52:49 <Bob> ack ram
20:54:09 <asir> q+ to ask a question
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20:55:36 <Bob> ack asir
20:55:36 <Zakim> asir, you wanted to ask a question
20:55:53 <Vikas1> TOPIC: Issue http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8283
20:56:05 <dug> Latest proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2010Jan/0086.html
20:56:12 <Yves> what is the analogy of empty string there? do we ned at least an xml decl?
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20:57:39 <gpilz> The term "generate" is used in relation to the various faults defined by  this specification to imply that a fault is produced, no further  processing SHOULD be performed, and the fault would normally be  transmitted.
20:57:44 <Vikas1> Bob, can you make Vikas1 as scribe
20:58:09 <Ashok> scribenick: Vikas1
20:58:18 <gpilz> s/would normally/SHOULD/
20:58:32 <Ram> q+
20:58:38 <Bob> ack ram
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21:00:23 <Vikas2> Bob, can you please mark Vikas2 as scribe.
21:00:24 <Bob> ack gp
21:00:37 <Bob> scribenick: Vikas2
21:01:09 <dug> ... no further processing SHOULD be performed. In these cases the fault SHOULD be transmitted.
21:02:11 <Ram> Basic Profile says: "Both SOAP and this Profile use the term 'generate' to denote the creation of a SOAP Fault. It is important to realize that generation of a Fault is distinct from its transmission, which in some cases is not required. "
21:02:44 <gpilz> q+
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21:03:02 <Bob> ack gp
21:04:07 <dug> The term "generate" is used in relation to the various faults defined by this specification to imply that a fault is produced and no futher processing SHOULD be performed. In these cases the fault SHOULD be transmitted.  However, there might be when a compliant implementation might choose not to transmit the fault - for example, security concerns - in these situations the fault MAY NOT be...
21:04:09 <dug> ...transmitted.
21:04:16 <dug> Wu, better?
21:04:29 <dug> s/be when/be reasons when/
21:04:41 <Vikas2> Gil: There will be very few cases where fault is not propagated, if its generate the fault should be send back to the consumer.
21:05:30 <dug> The term "generate" is used in relation to the various faults defined by this specification to imply that a fault is produced and no futher processing SHOULD be performed. In these cases the fault SHOULD be transmitted. However, there might be reasons when a compliant implementation can choose not to transmit the fault - for example, security concerns - in these situations the fault MAY NOT...
21:05:32 <dug> ...be transmitted.
21:06:19 <Zakim> -sreed
21:06:20 <Vikas2> RESOLUTION: Resolved 8283 with  proposed text above.
21:06:33 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
21:06:38 <Vikas2> TOPIC: Issue http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8286
21:06:50 <dug> proposal: The term "generate" is used in relation to the various faults defined by this specification to imply that a fault is produced and no futher processing SHOULD be performed. In these cases the fault SHOULD be transmitted. However, there might be when a compliant implementation might choose not to transmit the fault - for example, security concerns - in these situations the fault MAY NOT be
21:06:56 <dug> proposal:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2010Jan/0084.html
21:08:47 <dug> someone needs to move their mic
21:08:49 <Vikas2> RESOLUTION: 8286  resolved with  above propsal, proposed in message nos. 84
21:09:12 <dug> proposal:  http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8301#c1
21:09:14 <Ram> Proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2010Jan/0091.html 
21:09:28 <Vikas2> TOPIC: Issue http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8301
21:09:36 <dug> proposal: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8301#c1
21:10:03 <Ram> Proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2010Jan/0091.html 
21:11:41 <dug> q+
21:12:21 <Bob> ack dug
21:13:13 <gpilz> q+
21:14:21 <dug> FaultOnPutDenied:  When present, this OPTIONAL parameter indicates that attempts to change portions of the representation that are read-only will generate a wst:PutDenied fault. If this parameter is not present, attempts to modify read-only portions of the resource representation will be ignored without any fault being generated. 
21:15:07 <dug> q+
21:15:48 <Bob> ack gp
21:17:03 <Bob> ack du
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21:19:42 <Yves> I would note that adding something to receive an error is a bit awkward, adding something to explicitely _ignore_ the error would make more sense
21:23:38 <gpilz> q+
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21:23:51 <Bob> ack gp
21:23:53 <Vikas2> RESOLUTION: 8301 resolved with comment#1
21:24:14 <Ram> q+
21:24:43 <Bob> Topic: 8193
21:24:48 <dug> ok with fixing "it"  :-)
21:24:49 <Bob> ack ram
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21:25:40 <dug> q+
21:26:06 <Bob> ack du
21:27:56 <Ram> q+
21:28:01 <Bob> ack ram
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21:29:19 <gpilz> scribe: gpilz
21:29:38 <gpilz> ram: need more time to consider this proposal
21:29:41 <gpilz> ... discuss at F2F
21:29:54 <gpilz> topic: issue 7774
21:30:10 <gpilz> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7774
21:30:23 <gpilz> yves: last time I said this could wait for the F2F
21:30:47 <gpilz> ... during the previous F2F we discussed that is was not addressing something
21:31:01 <dug> q+
21:31:09 <Bob> ack dug
21:31:18 <gpilz> ... if WS-T Delete == WS-Frag Delete why does WS-T Put != WS-Frag Put
21:31:29 <gpilz> doug: Put is really an update of the resource rep
21:31:39 <gpilz> ... in the base case you get a whole new rep
21:32:01 <gpilz> ... in WS-Frag, Put with mode is an instruction, not a complete rep
21:32:28 <gpilz> ... WS-Frag Put is what you want, it's just not called "Patch"
21:32:57 <gpilz> (Yves & Doug): back and forth about semantics of "replace", "instructions", etc.
21:33:52 <dug> q+
21:34:02 <Bob> ack dug
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21:35:05 <gpilz> action: doug - add clarifying text as a potential resolution to 7774
21:35:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-136 - - add clarifying text as a potential resolution to 7774 [on Doug Davis - due 2010-01-26].
21:35:19 <gpilz> topic: issue 8196
21:37:04 <Tom_Rutt> q+
21:37:47 <Bob> ack tom
21:37:57 <asir> +1 to Gil!!!
21:40:24 <gpilz> tom: would like to clarify this issue
21:41:01 <asir> I agree with Bob's statement
21:45:46 <dug> I'd like to defer 8292 
21:46:09 <dug> its a big proposal - haven't had time to fully review it yet - sorry
21:48:04 <gpilz> bob: would like to have all issues have proposals by F2F
21:49:48 <dug> on the spot sounds good
21:50:16 <dug> +1
21:51:41 <gpilz> q+
21:51:52 <dug> I think 8185 isn't really related
21:51:56 <Bob> ack gpi
21:59:08 <asir> Bob - that would be lovely!
22:00:00 <Zakim> -Tom_Rutt
22:00:01 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
22:00:02 <Zakim> -Gilbert
22:00:03 <Zakim> -Wu_Chou
22:00:03 <Zakim> -vikas
22:00:04 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
22:00:04 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
22:00:05 <Zakim> -Yves
22:00:07 <Zakim> -Bob_Freund
22:00:09 <Zakim> - +1.408.970.aaee
22:00:11 <Zakim> -??P22
22:00:13 <Zakim> - +03531803aadd
22:00:15 <Zakim> -JeffM
22:00:17 <Zakim> -Doug_Davis
22:00:19 <Zakim> WS_WSRA()3:30PM has ended
22:00:21 <Zakim> Attendees were Wu_Chou, Bob_Freund, +984999aaaa, Doug_Davis, sreed, +1.571.262.aabb, vikas, +1.408.642.aacc, Ashok_Malhotra, Gilbert, Yves, Tom_Rutt, [Microsoft], +03531803aadd,
22:00:24 <Zakim> ... +1.408.970.aaee, JeffM, [IPcaller]
22:00:34 <Bob> rrsagent, generate minutes
22:00:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/01/19-ws-ra-minutes.html Bob
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