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17:29:28 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_UAWG
17:29:28 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_UAWG()1:00PM scheduled to start in 31 minutes
17:29:29 <trackbot> Meeting: User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
17:29:29 <trackbot> Date: 07 January 2010
17:29:50 <AllanJ> Chair: Jim_Allan
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17:59:01 <jeanne> zakim, code?
17:59:01 <Zakim> the conference code is 82941 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jeanne
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17:59:17 <Zakim> +Jeanne
17:59:18 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
17:59:46 <jeanne> zakim, [Micro is really Kelly
17:59:46 <Zakim> +Kelly; got it
18:01:06 <AllanJ> Regrets: Simon_H
18:01:18 <Zakim> +??P11
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18:02:44 <Zakim> +Greg
18:03:15 <kford> Scribe: kford
18:03:33 <kford> rrsagent, make minutes
18:03:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/01/07-ua-minutes.html kford
18:03:37 <Zakim> +AllanJ
18:04:31 <AllanJ> regrets+Jan_R
18:05:52 <kford> JA: Giving status of various group members.
18:06:24 <AllanJ> Agenda+ Logistics (Regrets, agenda requests, comments)?
18:06:25 <AllanJ> Agenda+ Reschedule Face to Face - Scheduling conflicts (was Jan. 20-23)
18:06:27 <AllanJ> Agenda+ Timeline for the year (finish guidelines, finish implementing, 2
18:06:28 <AllanJ> real world implementations of all success criteria for inclusion in guidelines, get reviews)
18:06:53 <kford> zakim, take up item 1
18:06:53 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Logistics (Regrets, agenda requests, comments)?" taken up [from AllanJ]
18:07:07 <AllanJ> zakim, close item 1
18:07:07 <Zakim> agendum 1, Logistics (Regrets, agenda requests, comments)?, closed
18:07:08 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
18:07:09 <Zakim> 2. Reschedule Face to Face - Scheduling conflicts (was Jan. 20-23) [from AllanJ]
18:07:51 <kford> JA: Possible reschedule of F2F. JA has schedule conflict.
18:08:07 <kford> JA: Anyone made reservations?
18:08:16 <kford> group reply of no.
18:08:57 <kford> JA: Could keep current date, try to reschedule.
18:10:43 <kford> JA: Seems like reschedule would be better.
18:16:36 <kford> group continuing to talk about meeting dates.
18:19:24 <kford> Group settling around 2/24-26 in Austin, TX.
18:21:02 <kford> JA: I'll send out more details and such soon. Hotel stuff early.
18:21:10 <kford> rrsagent, make minutes
18:21:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/01/07-ua-minutes.html kford
18:22:14 <kford> zakim, close item 2
18:22:14 <Zakim> agendum 2, Reschedule Face to Face - Scheduling conflicts (was Jan. 20-23), closed
18:22:17 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
18:22:18 <Zakim> 3. Timeline for the year (finish guidelines, finish implementing, 2 [from AllanJ]
18:23:16 <kford> JS: Part of W3C process is to start with working draft. Next is candidate recommendation where we prove GL work in real world.
18:23:37 <kford> JS: You do this by finding two examples of each item in GL.
18:24:09 <kford> JS: Next is proposed recommendation.
18:24:20 <kford> JS: Next is recommendation.
18:24:54 <kford> JS: Candidate recommendation is the biggest part of this.  Development cycles for software products are 12-18 m9onths.
18:25:41 <kford> JA: If we don't get something in a browser, we have to take the success criteria out?
18:25:47 <kford> JS: Yes.
18:27:17 <kford> More talk about the two instances needed for each success criteria.
18:28:47 <kford> JA: Concerning that we are are trying to make suggestions on what should be done but we can only suggest things that should be done?
18:29:01 <kford> JA: Correction, that are already being done.
18:29:28 <kford> JS: We have time, just have to start working on this.
18:30:34 <AllanJ> scribe: AllanJ
18:31:00 <AllanJ> working draft published by End of January.
18:31:17 <AllanJ> ...new editors draft by end of week.
18:32:04 <AllanJ> finalize working draft next week, requests for feed back.
18:32:36 <AllanJ> ... can publish with format in flex
18:33:29 <AllanJ> GL: do we have a list of broswers we will be attempting to get implementations
18:34:53 <AllanJ> Biggest challenges are 3.1 alternative content and 4.9 control of content that need lots of work
18:35:27 <AllanJ> JS: 
18:35:32 <AllanJ> Guideline 5
18:36:11 <AllanJ> KF: set dates for items
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18:37:19 <AllanJ> JS: F2F in Mid Feb. 5 weeks to work on items, finish implementation at F2F
18:38:58 <AllanJ> KF: close all action items by F2F...
18:39:25 <AllanJ> commit to closing 2 action items by next week.
18:41:27 <AllanJ> ... at least get to the list for discussion. 
18:41:54 <AllanJ> Then continue with scheduling next week.
18:43:20 <Zakim> -Kelly
18:43:28 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
18:44:15 <Zakim> -??P11
18:44:17 <Zakim> -AllanJ
18:44:17 <Zakim> -Jeanne
18:44:18 <Zakim> -Greg
18:44:19 <Zakim> WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has ended
18:44:20 <Zakim> Attendees were Jeanne, [Microsoft], Kelly, [IPcaller], Greg, AllanJ
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18:51:21 <Zakim> WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has ended
18:51:22 <Zakim> Attendees were Kim
18:53:35 <AllanJ> rrsagent, make minutes
18:53:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/01/07-ua-minutes.html AllanJ
18:53:45 <AllanJ> zakim, please part
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18:54:10 <AllanJ> rrsagent, make minutes
18:54:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/01/07-ua-minutes.html AllanJ
18:56:30 <AllanJ> present+Markku_H, Henni_I, Kelly_F, Greg_L, Jeanne_S, Allan_J
18:56:37 <AllanJ> rrsagent, make minutes
18:56:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/01/07-ua-minutes.html AllanJ
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18:58:05 <AllanJ> rrsagent, make minutes
18:58:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/01/07-ua-minutes.html AllanJ
18:58:32 <AllanJ> rrsagent, please part
18:58:32 <RRSAgent> I see no action items