Chatlog 2012-07-10

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14:00:53 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277
14:00:53 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start now
14:00:54 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
14:00:54 <trackbot> Date: 10 July 2012
14:01:25 <AndyS1> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:01:25 <Zakim> I notice SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has restarted
14:01:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P2, kasei, Olivier, cbuilara (muted), ??P14
14:01:36 <AndyS1> zakim, ??P14 is me
14:01:36 <Zakim> +AndyS1; got it
14:03:04 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres
14:03:10 <Zakim> +MattPerry
14:03:23 <AxelPolleres> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2012-07-10
14:03:49 <cbuilara> yes
14:03:58 <AxelPolleres> topic: admin
14:04:00 <LeeF> LeeF has joined #sparql
14:04:16 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-07-03
14:04:20 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: minutes aproval from last meeting
14:04:29 <cbuilara> s/aproval/approval
14:04:35 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: any comments?
14:04:37 <Zakim> + +1.617.245.aabb
14:04:42 <LeeF> zakim, aabb is me
14:04:42 <Zakim> +LeeF; got it
14:04:45 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2012-07-03
14:05:36 <AxelPolleres> regrets fore the next week and the week after from me
14:05:39 <LeeF> I'm at risk next week
14:05:44 <LeeF> But trying to arrange things so I can be here & chair
14:06:00 <LeeF> OK
14:06:38 <AndyS1> RDF-WG -- About to publish Turtle LC.
14:06:50 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: anything new from RDF WG?
14:07:04 <cbuilara> AndyS1: possible publish LC this week
14:07:24 <AxelPolleres> topic: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/To_PR
14:07:24 <Zakim> +pgearon
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14:07:30 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: TOPR page was cleaned up
14:07:46 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: I marked all documents but update as finished
14:08:03 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: the documents marked as finished only need minor changes
14:08:09 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: except query and update
14:08:14 <Zakim> + +1.216.694.aacc
14:08:24 <chimezie> Zakim, +1.216.694.aacc is me
14:08:24 <Zakim> +chimezie; got it
14:08:29 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: for query we got messages from Andy and Steve saying that documents are ready for publish
14:08:37 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
14:08:37 <Zakim> chimezie should now be muted
14:08:53 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: pending reviews on BIND values and Property Paths, any progress on these reviews?
14:09:11 <AndyS1> (I can't hear Paul)
14:09:20 <cbuilara> pgearon: I sent reviews to the list
14:09:55 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
14:09:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P2, kasei, Olivier, cbuilara (muted), AndyS1, AxelPolleres, MattPerry, LeeF, pgearon, chimezie (muted)
14:10:52 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: we have to wait for Birte's review or find another reviewer for BIND values
14:11:11 <AndyS1> Paul - did you msg of 19-June?
14:11:17 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: any additional reviewer for BIND values?
14:11:17 <AndyS1> Paul - did you mean msg of 19-June?
14:11:31 <AxelPolleres> Anybody willing to review BIND/VALUES?
14:11:41 <Olivier> I can do it
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14:12:02 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Olivier to review BIND/VALUES
14:12:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-660 - Review BIND/VALUES [on Olivier Corby - due 2012-07-17].
14:12:24 <pgearon> I'm referring to the email on Jun 19 with the subject line "Property Paths"
14:12:35 <Zakim> +??P26
14:12:43 <bglimm> Zakim, ??P26 is me
14:12:43 <Zakim> +bglimm; got it
14:12:49 <bglimm> Zakim, mute me
14:12:49 <Zakim> bglimm should now be muted
14:12:51 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: we have to ask the RDF WG to give them a chance to comment before we proceed to PR
14:13:18 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: focus on publish the LC for query and ask the RDF WG whether they could give feedback
14:13:42 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: check wether we have all ready for PR and focus on implementations
14:13:50 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: any comments on the plan?
14:14:04 <cbuilara> AndyS1: can we get the times again?
14:14:15 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: first, we publish query ASAP
14:14:46 <AndyS1> query - publish - resolve to publish next week review period ?? long
14:14:57 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: ideally next week, one month review period, in the meantime we try to get all ready to PR
14:15:08 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: also get comments from the RDF WG
14:15:34 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: then hopefully get all ready by end of August, any comments?
14:15:45 <AxelPolleres> sandro?
14:15:55 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
14:15:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P2, kasei, Olivier, cbuilara (muted), AndyS1, AxelPolleres, MattPerry, LeeF, pgearon, chimezie (muted), bglimm (muted)
14:16:20 <cbuilara> AndyS: week on the 6th moratorium?
14:16:40 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: Sandro to clarify this
14:16:52 <cbuilara> AndyS: week of the 28th of July
14:16:53 <AndyS1> limited W3C staff availability 16-20 July.
14:17:13 <AxelPolleres> still possible to publish before that.
14:17:56 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: Olivier will you be able to provide your review before next week?
14:18:00 <cbuilara> Olivier: yes
14:18:35 <AxelPolleres> from my side (chair-hat-off, siemens hat-on) ok to publish
14:18:51 <pgearon> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012AprJun/0247.html
14:19:05 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me
14:19:05 <Zakim> bglimm should no longer be muted
14:19:16 <AndyS1> Olivier -- see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0003.html
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14:19:26 <cbuilara> bglimm: I can look at the BINDINGS/VALUES section
14:19:50 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: Update
14:19:52 <AxelPolleres> subtopic: update
14:20:18 <AndyS1> Birte -- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2012JulSep/0003.html
14:20:19 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: we are in shape to publish, only editorial changes
14:20:26 <AndyS1> q+
14:21:09 <cbuilara> AndyS1: did you say there is a problem with UPDATE?
14:21:26 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: I see you cannot check whether two graphs share blank nodes, right?
14:21:38 <cbuilara> AndyS1: it is easy to write a test
14:21:50 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: we agree that the graphs share the blank nodes?
14:22:16 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: I see that there is no problem with this definition
14:22:53 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: I do not see where is the problem with the tests if we have anonymous blank nodes
14:23:15 <cbuilara> AndyS1: move this conversation to the ned of teh telco
14:23:20 <AndyS1> To test - get the node from each graph and do a FILTER (sameTerm(?x,?y))
14:25:03 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: by next week free the update document
14:25:23 <AndyS1> q+ to ask for a second +1 on the comments responses posted
14:25:55 <pgearon> There are 2 DB comments to respond to. One just asks that we consider a feature for the next WG. The second asks that LOAD talk about merging triples rather than inserting them. I don't think I agree with him, but need to consider before I can respond
14:26:06 <AxelPolleres> topic: comments
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14:26:38 <cbuilara> AndyS1: I need somebody to confirm responses
14:27:10 <AxelPolleres> topic: actions
14:27:21 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/open
14:27:58 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-658
14:27:58 <trackbot> ACTION-658 Clean up to_pr page to mark finished docs closed
14:28:22 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-655
14:28:22 <trackbot> ACTION-655 Ping Steve on critical path items for Query closed
14:28:42 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-656
14:28:42 <trackbot> ACTION-656 Look into www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/tests/data-sparql11/basic-update/insert-05a.ru and react to greg's suggestion on email closed
14:29:10 <LeeF> I'll do it right now.
14:30:06 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-649
14:30:06 <trackbot> ACTION-649 Coordinate with Lee and sandro about extension until end of the year and exact schedule closed
14:31:25 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
14:31:25 <Zakim> chimezie should no longer be muted
14:31:39 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: I won't be able to provide review to TSV/CSV before I go on vacation
14:31:54 <cbuilara> not yet
14:32:03 <cbuilara> I  will send today or tomorrow
14:32:20 <LeeF> close ACTION-652
14:32:20 <trackbot> ACTION-652 Put dynamicfunction calls on future work list and respond to Rob Vesse's comment closed
14:32:22 <cbuilara> (action on reviewing update)
14:32:28 <LeeF> FYI I need to duck out for a few minutes
14:32:47 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-641
14:32:48 <trackbot> ACTION-641 Look back on ACTION-618 and where we were to proceed with in-scope closed
14:33:02 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-642
14:33:02 <trackbot> ACTION-642 Check revision of test case proposed by greg closed
14:33:17 <bglimm> Zakim, unmte me
14:33:17 <Zakim> I don't understand 'unmte me', bglimm
14:33:24 <bglimm> Zakim, unmute me
14:33:24 <Zakim> bglimm was not muted, bglimm
14:33:27 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
14:33:27 <Zakim> chimezie should now be muted
14:33:50 <cbuilara> bglimm: still did not talk with Michael Schneider
14:34:46 <AxelPolleres> fallback if we don't have all entailment rwegimes implemented: publish entailment as CR
14:34:49 <cbuilara> bglimm: I cannot guarantee that other implementors will have ready the implementations by the end of August
14:35:11 <chimezie> chimezie, unmute me
14:35:14 <chimezie> Zakim, unmute me
14:35:14 <Zakim> chimezie should no longer be muted
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14:37:38 <kasei> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/implementations/
14:37:44 <AxelPolleres> ACTION-633 published http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/implementations/
14:37:44 <trackbot> ACTION-633 Put his SD implementation public somewhere & try the SD validator against it notes added
14:38:02 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-633
14:38:03 <trackbot> ACTION-633 Put his SD implementation public somewhere & try the SD validator against it closed
14:38:08 <chimezie> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/implementations/#sparql11-service-description
14:38:20 <Zakim> -cbuilara
14:38:22 <chimezie> Zakim, mute me
14:38:22 <Zakim> chimezie should now be muted
14:38:43 <Zakim> +??P10
14:38:46 <cbuilara> zakim, ??P10 is me
14:38:46 <Zakim> +cbuilara; got it
14:38:57 <cbuilara> zakim, unmute me
14:38:57 <Zakim> cbuilara was not muted, cbuilara
14:39:07 <chimezie> Zakim, who is speaking?
14:39:07 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, mute cbuilara
14:39:07 <Zakim> cbuilara should now be muted
14:39:08 <cbuilara> zakim, mute me
14:39:08 <Zakim> cbuilara was already muted, cbuilara
14:39:18 <Zakim> chimezie, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: AxelPolleres (84%), bglimm (8%)
14:39:44 <cbuilara> kasei: no, nothing to close
14:41:02 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: RC1 is responded and it is ok, RC2 is open
14:41:28 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: ML1 draft done, is it critical?
14:41:35 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/actions/624
14:41:41 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: that's action 624
14:41:58 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: we do not have anything at risk, right? 
14:42:03 <cbuilara> AndyS1: yes
14:42:20 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-624
14:42:20 <trackbot> ACTION-624 Draft syntax tests for at-risk grammar features of query closed
14:42:21 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: anybody disagree to close çaction 624?
14:43:05 <AxelPolleres> close ACTION-599
14:43:06 <trackbot> ACTION-599 Draft response to MLR-1 closed
14:43:52 <cbuilara> AxelPolleres: any other critical action or actions to be closed? 
14:45:02 <cbuilara> I still have an open comment, response drafted
14:45:19 <cbuilara> just to agree
14:45:21 <cbuilara> in the response
14:45:25 <cbuilara> zakim, unmute me
14:45:25 <Zakim> cbuilara should no longer be muted
14:46:17 <cbuilara> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/CommentResponse:PW1
14:46:27 <cbuilara> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2012Jun/0007.html
14:46:50 <kasei> the comments wiki page formatting got screwed up. we've got links to empty response draft pages in the "Response/Ack" column...
14:47:27 <AndyS1> +1
14:47:47 <cbuilara> zakim, mute me
14:47:47 <Zakim> cbuilara should now be muted
14:48:06 <AndyS1> I create the response draft page link whenever I create a comment entry.  Click-create
14:48:15 <swh> I don't really know if it's good or not
14:48:23 <bglimm> then it uses the the SPARQL protocol
14:48:27 <swh> but it seems ok, as far as I'm familiar with SERVICE
14:48:29 <bglimm> s/the the/the/
14:49:03 <cbuilara> zakim, unmute me
14:49:03 <Zakim> cbuilara should no longer be muted
14:50:43 <AxelPolleres> start with "The point about SERVICE is to direct  ..."  and send off
14:51:25 <cbuilara> zakim, unmute m e
14:51:25 <Zakim> I don't understand 'unmute m e', cbuilara
14:51:29 <AxelPolleres> q?
14:51:35 <cbuilara> zakim, unmute me
14:51:35 <Zakim> cbuilara was not muted, cbuilara
14:51:44 <AndyS1> ack me
14:51:44 <Zakim> AndyS, you wanted to ask for a second +1 on the comments responses posted
14:51:58 <Zakim> -chimezie
14:51:59 <AxelPolleres> adjourned
14:52:05 <Zakim> -bglimm
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14:52:07 <MattPerry> bye
14:52:07 <Zakim> -??P2
14:52:17 <Zakim> -MattPerry
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