Chatlog 2011-05-31

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13:58:34 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #sparql
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13:58:34 <AndyS> trackbot, make logs public
13:58:36 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
13:58:38 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277
13:58:38 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
13:58:39 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
13:58:39 <trackbot> Date: 31 May 2011
13:58:39 <trackbot> Sorry, AndyS, I don't understand 'trackbot, make logs public'. Please refer to for help
13:58:42 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started
13:58:43 <LeeF> zakim, this will be SPARQL
13:58:43 <Zakim> ok, LeeF, I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM already started
13:58:48 <Zakim> +??P8
13:58:53 <cbuilara> zakim, ??P8 is me
13:58:53 <Zakim> +cbuilara; got it
13:59:15 <Zakim> +??P9
13:59:18 <AndyS> zakim, ??P9 is me
13:59:18 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
13:59:41 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:59:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see cbuilara, AndyS
13:59:45 <Zakim> +LeeF
14:00:08 <AndyS> zakim, who is making noise?
14:00:16 <Zakim> +MattPerry
14:00:20 <Zakim> AndyS, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
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14:01:48 <LeeF> zakim, who's here?
14:01:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see cbuilara, AndyS, LeeF, MattPerry
14:01:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see SteveH_, RRSAgent, Zakim, cbuilara, MattPerry, AndyS, LeeF, SteveH, iv_an_ru_, pgearon, NickH, alepas, ericP, kasei, trackbot, sandro
14:02:14 <LeeF> Agenda:
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14:02:27 <LeeF> scribenick: MattPerry
14:02:49 <LeeF> Regrets: bglimm, olivier, chime, axel, greg
14:03:01 <Zakim> +??P12
14:03:08 <SteveH_> Zakim, ??P12 is me
14:03:08 <Zakim> +SteveH_; got it
14:04:06 <LeeF> topic: admin
14:04:10 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at
14:04:25 <Zakim> +sandro
14:04:54 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at
14:05:04 <LeeF> Next regular meeting: 2011-06-07 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST (scribe: Carlos) 
14:05:06 <SteveH> Zakim, SteveH_ is me
14:05:06 <Zakim> +SteveH; got it
14:05:23 <MattPerry> LeeF: Next meeting is during SemTech, should we have a meeting?
14:05:26 <AndyS> At SemTech -- regrets for next week
14:05:32 <LeeF> At SemTech
14:05:35 <MattPerry> At SemTech -- regrets
14:05:38 <sandro> At SemTech
14:05:39 <SteveH> I won't be at SemTech
14:05:51 <cbuilara> I won't be at SemTech
14:05:52 <bglimm> I won't be at SemTech
14:06:20 <MattPerry> LeeF: I will catch up with Axel to decide on next meeting
14:06:37 <SteveH> I'm at risk for next week anyway
14:06:39 <LeeF> topic: Charter
14:07:31 <MattPerry> LeeF: We set request to publish JSON document as FPWD and Last Call, but our charter said that JSON document is a Note ... this is a problem
14:07:59 <MattPerry> ... We will need to change the charter anyway for other things
14:08:11 <sandro>
14:08:34 <MattPerry> ... Will publish other docs as last call when new charter is approved
14:08:58 <MattPerry> @sandro: have updated charter based on reviews ... we are in good shape
14:08:59 <Zakim> +pgearon
14:10:03 <MattPerry> ... process going forward is that it gets send to advisory committee to review
14:10:11 <MattPerry> s/send/sent
14:10:38 <MattPerry> LeeF: should we try to target tomorrow's committee meeting?
14:10:41 <MattPerry> @sandro: yes
14:11:43 <MattPerry> LeeF: I'm inclined to publish all remaining docs together
14:12:15 <MattPerry> AndyS: we're looking at mid July earliest?
14:13:09 <MattPerry> LeeF: probably ... could be early July
14:13:18 <LeeF> topic: Comments
14:13:20 <cbuilara> +q
14:13:29 <LeeF>
14:13:31 <LeeF> ack cbuilara
14:13:49 <MattPerry> cbuilara: publish docs in mid July for last call?
14:13:53 <MattPerry> LeeF: yes
14:15:09 <MattPerry> LeeF: Andy sent out some responses about JSON document
14:16:14 <MattPerry> ... some editoral things from Ivan
14:16:34 <MattPerry> Andy: I have looked at those ... mostly editoral
14:18:10 <MattPerry> ... nothing worrisome
14:19:08 <AndyS> SimonJ pinged me to ask if his comment had been received - I said yes and pointed to the archive.
14:19:09 <LeeF>
14:19:24 <MattPerry> LeeF: Only other commen is from Michael Hausenblas
14:19:46 <MattPerry> ... He is concerned that it will be tough to do SPARQL update in large cluster environments
14:20:03 <MattPerry> ... requested a note about this
14:20:05 <AndyS> I asked him about journal based DBs which have update and append style performance
14:20:14 <LeeF>
14:20:41 <SteveH> +1 to LeeF, not our role
14:20:50 <MattPerry> LeeF: It's not our role as spec drafters to talk about implementation strategies
14:21:01 <AndyS> +1 to LeeF's draft
14:21:35 <LeeF> topic: test case actions
14:22:14 <LeeF>
14:23:01 <MattPerry> pgearon: I've made a start on my actions, but it will take some more time
14:23:58 <MattPerry> LeeF: Axel and I have actions for Federated Query tests ... will start working on them
14:24:14 <MattPerry> LeeF: ... action to investigate reuse of old scripts
14:24:17 <AndyS> eric's scripts
14:24:39 <MattPerry> LeeF: this is something we should do by CR
14:24:54 <sandro> q+ to ask Chartering question
14:25:01 <MattPerry> LeeF: Steve still has pending actions for aggregate tests
14:25:33 <MattPerry> SteveH: I have not had time yet
14:26:06 <AndyS> Tests are very similar to SPARQL 1.0 - just a new URIs for test types
14:26:39 <MattPerry> LeeF: Any more binind tests?
14:26:57 <LeeF> close ACTION-376
14:26:57 <trackbot> ACTION-376 Look at BINDINGS tests closed
14:27:20 <MattPerry> LeeF: will do my action on IF tests
14:27:38 <MattPerry> s/binind/binding
14:28:33 <AndyS> ericP?
14:28:52 <MattPerry> LeeF: we have split up the function tests, but there are no actions for them.
14:29:10 <LeeF> ACTION: Lee to figure out what the status of tests for the new SPARQL 1.1 functions are
14:29:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-478 - Figure out what the status of tests for the new SPARQL 1.1 functions are [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2011-06-07].
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14:29:32 <MattPerry> LeeF: Any more discussion points for today
14:29:55 <MattPerry> @sandro: Wanted to see what to publish to overview document as: Rec or Note?
14:30:15 <MattPerry> @sandor: I lean toward recommendation
14:30:28 <MattPerry> @sandro: I lean toward recommendation
14:30:50 <MattPerry> LeeF: will publish as recommendation
14:30:58 <AndyS> Bye all!
14:31:00 <Zakim> -sandro
14:31:01 <Zakim> -LeeF
14:31:01 <Zakim> -pgearon
14:31:02 <Zakim> -MattPerry
14:31:02 <Zakim> -SteveH
14:31:05 <Zakim> -cbuilara
14:31:07 <Zakim> -AndyS
14:31:08 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has ended
14:31:10 <Zakim> Attendees were cbuilara, AndyS, LeeF, MattPerry, sandro, SteveH, pgearon
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14:48:53 <ericP> AndyS, you were looking for me?
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