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14:55:03 <AxelPolleres> trackbot, start meeting
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14:55:07 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 77277
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14:55:07 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
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14:55:08 <trackbot> Meeting: SPARQL Working Group Teleconference
14:55:08 <trackbot> Date: 23 November 2010
14:55:36 <AxelPolleres> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-11-23
14:55:45 <AxelPolleres> chair: Axel Polleres
14:55:54 <LeeF> zakim, this will be SPARQL
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14:55:54 <Zakim> ok, LeeF; I see SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
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14:55:55 <AxelPolleres> regrets: Chime, MattPerry, NickH, OlivierCorby
14:57:50 <Zakim> SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM has now started
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14:57:57 <Zakim> +??P9
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14:58:10 <cbuilara> Zakim, +?P9 is me
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14:58:10 <Zakim> sorry, cbuilara, I do not recognize a party named '+?P9'
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14:58:20 <cbuilara> Zakim, +??P9 is me
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14:58:20 <Zakim> sorry, cbuilara, I do not recognize a party named '+??P9'
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14:58:33 <cbuilara> Zakim, +P9 is me
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14:58:33 <Zakim> sorry, cbuilara, I do not recognize a party named '+P9'
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14:58:44 <Zakim> +AxelPolleres
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14:58:46 <Zakim> +??P12
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14:58:51 <cbuilara> +cbuilara
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14:59:07 <AndyS> zakim, ??P12 is me
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14:59:07 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
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14:59:15 <AxelPolleres> cbuilara is carlos
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14:59:25 <cbuilara> zakim, ??P9 is me
Carlos Buil Aranda: zakim, ??P9 is me ←
14:59:25 <Zakim> +cbuilara; got it
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14:59:36 <Zakim> +kasei
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15:00:05 <Zakim> + +3539149aaaa
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15:00:14 <Zakim> +pgearon
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15:00:15 <AlexPassant> Zakim, +3539149aaaa is me
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15:00:15 <Zakim> +AlexPassant; got it
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15:00:26 <Zakim> +SteveH
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15:00:28 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
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15:00:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see cbuilara, AxelPolleres, AndyS, kasei, AlexPassant, pgearon, SteveH
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15:01:21 <Zakim> +Lee_Feigenbaum
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15:01:29 <LeeF> zakim, Lee_Feigenbaum is me
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15:01:31 <Zakim> +LeeF; got it
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15:01:44 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
15:02:10 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-11-23
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Agenda-2010-11-23 ←
15:02:39 <AxelPolleres> scribe: leeF
(Scribe set to Lee Feigenbaum)
15:02:53 <AxelPolleres> topic: admin
15:02:58 <LeeF> # PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-11-16
# PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-11-16 ←
15:03:01 <LeeF> PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-11-16
PROPOSED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-11-16 ←
15:03:03 <cbuilara> I can hear you
Carlos Buil Aranda: I can hear you ←
15:03:05 <AndyS> can hear you
Andy Seaborne: can hear you ←
15:03:18 <AxelPolleres> RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-11-16
RESOLVED: Approve minutes at http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-11-16 ←
15:03:51 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010OctDec/0256.html comments summary
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010OctDec/0256.html comments summary ←
15:03:56 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: comments page has been updated as above ^^^
Axel Polleres: comments page has been updated as above ^^^ ←
15:04:10 <LeeF> ... still a few questions about whether responses are needed to some comments
... still a few questions about whether responses are needed to some comments ←
15:04:32 <LeeF> ... one thread from Richard C about protocol faults
... one thread from Richard C about protocol faults ←
15:04:39 <LeeF> ... another from ???
... another from ??? ←
15:04:45 <LeeF> ... do we need to reply officially?
... do we need to reply officially? ←
15:05:46 <LeeF> LeeF: we do need to reply to Richard, once we handle protocol issues
Lee Feigenbaum: we do need to reply to Richard, once we handle protocol issues ←
15:06:56 <LeeF> ... other was from Ross H, which we've replied to
... other was from Ross H, which we've replied to ←
15:07:29 <AxelPolleres> * BINDINGS in SPARQL Query 2010-10-14 Dave Beckett ... answered by Peter Ansell
Axel Polleres: * BINDINGS in SPARQL Query 2010-10-14 Dave Beckett ... answered by Peter Ansell ←
15:07:30 <AxelPolleres> * typo in SPARQL 1.1 Query Language WD: invalid property "rdf:next" Michael Schneider ... answered by Andy
Axel Polleres: * typo in SPARQL 1.1 Query Language WD: invalid property "rdf:next" Michael Schneider ... answered by Andy ←
15:07:30 <AxelPolleres> * Permit LOAD from a SPARQL CONSTRUCT endpoint David Booth ... answered by Alex
Axel Polleres: * Permit LOAD from a SPARQL CONSTRUCT endpoint David Booth ... answered by Alex ←
15:07:30 <AxelPolleres> \
Axel Polleres: \ ←
15:07:36 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
15:07:38 <AlexPassant> q+
Alexandre Passant: q+ ←
15:07:43 <LeeF> ack AndyS
ack AndyS ←
15:07:52 <AndyS> On emment -
Andy Seaborne: On emment - ←
15:07:56 <AndyS> One moment ....
Andy Seaborne: One moment .... ←
15:08:02 <LeeF> q+ AndyS
q+ AndyS ←
15:08:05 <LeeF> ack AlexPassant
ack AlexPassant ←
15:09:27 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: ask Davidf booth for confirmation of reply and add row to comments table
ACTION: ask Davidf booth for confirmation of reply and add row to comments table ←
15:09:27 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - ask
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - ask ←
15:09:40 <LeeF> ACTION: Alex to ask Davidf booth for confirmation of reply and add row to comments table
ACTION: Alex to ask Davidf booth for confirmation of reply and add row to comments table ←
15:09:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-334 - Ask Davidf booth for confirmation of reply and add row to comments table [on Alexandre Passant - due 2010-11-30].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-334 - Ask Davidf booth for confirmation of reply and add row to comments table [on Alexandre Passant - due 2010-11-30]. ←
15:09:57 <LeeF> AndyS: editorial matters, checked with Lee and went ahead and replied
Andy Seaborne: editorial matters, checked with Lee and went ahead and replied ←
15:10:36 <LeeF> ack AndyS
ack AndyS ←
15:10:47 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: comment on BINDINGS does not need our action
Axel Polleres: comment on BINDINGS does not need our action ←
15:10:54 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: Please check comments list and see if you can move any forwards
Axel Polleres: Please check comments list and see if you can move any forwards ←
15:11:19 <LeeF> ... in particular, there is one on property paths that we haven't addressed yet - has anyone looked at that?
... in particular, there is one on property paths that we haven't addressed yet - has anyone looked at that? ←
15:11:43 <LeeF> AndyS: yes, it's a very good summary of everything we've talked about, but i don't think changes our position - we have been cognizant of the points raised when we made our decisions
Andy Seaborne: yes, it's a very good summary of everything we've talked about, but i don't think changes our position - we have been cognizant of the points raised when we made our decisions ←
15:11:56 <SteveH> q+
Steve Harris: q+ ←
15:12:08 <LeeF> ... raises issue of equivalence between triple patterns and path pattern, and also about considering future extensions to include length of paths
... raises issue of equivalence between triple patterns and path pattern, and also about considering future extensions to include length of paths ←
15:12:32 <SteveH> q-
Steve Harris: q- ←
15:13:06 <LeeF> AndyS: Good points, but no new information. Will draft a response
Andy Seaborne: Good points, but no new information. Will draft a response ←
15:13:09 <LeeF> +1 AndyS
+1 AndyS ←
15:13:19 <LeeF> s/+1 AndyS/LeeF: +1 AndyS
s/+1 AndyS/LeeF: +1 AndyS ←
15:14:05 <LeeF> Next regular meeting: 2010-11-30 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST (scribe: Carlos Buil)
Next regular meeting: 2010-11-30 @ 15:00 UK / 10:00 EST (scribe: Carlos Buil) ←
15:14:23 <LeeF> topic: Publication schedule
15:15:44 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: alex to address MS-1 comment
ACTION: alex to address MS-1 comment ←
15:15:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-335 - Address MS-1 comment [on Alexandre Passant - due 2010-11-30].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-335 - Address MS-1 comment [on Alexandre Passant - due 2010-11-30]. ←
15:15:51 <LeeF> (DIsucssion around comment MS-1, which Alex agrees to own)
(DIsucssion around comment MS-1, which Alex agrees to own) ←
15:16:14 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: In October we discussed our schedule and trying to get to Last Call
Axel Polleres: In October we discussed our schedule and trying to get to Last Call ←
15:16:14 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-10-05#schedule__2f_extension
Axel Polleres: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/meeting/2010-10-05#schedule__2f_extension ←
15:16:45 <AlexPassant> LeeF: you can close ACTION-334 : I've updated table and asked David (off-list) to acknowledge (on-list)
Lee Feigenbaum: you can close ACTION-334 : I've updated table and asked David (off-list) to acknowledge (on-list) [ Scribe Assist by Alexandre Passant ] ←
15:16:49 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: per our schedule, we should be reviewing docs for Last Call now
Axel Polleres: per our schedule, we should be reviewing docs for Last Call now ←
15:16:57 <LeeF> trackbot, close ACTION-334
trackbot, close ACTION-334 ←
15:16:57 <trackbot> ACTION-334 Ask Davidf booth for confirmation of reply and add row to comments table closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-334 Ask Davidf booth for confirmation of reply and add row to comments table closed ←
15:17:09 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: what can we do / do we need to do to get to Last Call?
Axel Polleres: what can we do / do we need to do to get to Last Call? ←
15:17:56 <AxelPolleres> query?
Axel Polleres: query? ←
15:18:16 <LeeF> AndyS: Everything is marked in the document with @@ as to what needs to be done from my point-of-videw
Andy Seaborne: Everything is marked in the document with @@ as to what needs to be done from my point-of-videw ←
15:18:20 <LeeF> s/videw/view
s/videw/view ←
15:18:25 <LeeF> AndyS: There is a lot of editing to be done
Andy Seaborne: There is a lot of editing to be done ←
15:18:31 <LeeF> AndyS: I've done BIND
Andy Seaborne: I've done BIND ←
15:18:48 <LeeF> AndyS: Doing GROUP BY ... AS ...
Andy Seaborne: Doing GROUP BY ... AS ... ←
15:19:05 <LeeF> AndyS: There are consistency things that need to be done, such as aligning grammar fragments throughout the document - will do once grammar is stable
Andy Seaborne: There are consistency things that need to be done, such as aligning grammar fragments throughout the document - will do once grammar is stable ←
15:19:11 <LeeF> AndyS: And a lot of general editing to do
Andy Seaborne: And a lot of general editing to do ←
15:19:24 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: what's missing for the grammar?
Axel Polleres: what's missing for the grammar? ←
15:19:30 <LeeF> AndyS: decision on verbs for update
Andy Seaborne: decision on verbs for update ←
15:20:19 <LeeF> LeeF: what needs a group decision if anything?
Lee Feigenbaum: what needs a group decision if anything? ←
15:20:45 <LeeF> AndyS: don't think anything, there was a discussion around prefixed names which would radically change things, but don't htink there's anything right now where WG action is blocking progress
Andy Seaborne: don't think anything, there was a discussion around prefixed names which would radically change things, but don't htink there's anything right now where WG action is blocking progress ←
15:21:01 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: any time frame estimate?
Axel Polleres: any time frame estimate? ←
15:21:03 <LeeF> AndyS: about a month
Andy Seaborne: about a month ←
15:21:14 <AndyS> ... very rough estimate
Andy Seaborne: ... very rough estimate ←
15:21:15 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: Steve?
Axel Polleres: Steve? ←
15:21:30 <LeeF> SteveH: have two pages of notes on things that want to change - probably about 3 days of editing effort, hoping to find 3 days of time before the end of December
Steve Harris: have two pages of notes on things that want to change - probably about 3 days of editing effort, hoping to find 3 days of time before the end of December ←
15:21:53 <LeeF> AndyS: (to Steve) we need to link up on formal semantics of aggregation
Andy Seaborne: (to Steve) we need to link up on formal semantics of aggregation ←
15:21:59 <LeeF> SteveH: hoping first to fix information gap in how things line up
Steve Harris: hoping first to fix information gap in how things line up ←
15:22:06 <LeeF> SteveH: and then check if you (AndyS) believe it
Steve Harris: and then check if you (AndyS) believe it ←
15:23:08 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: ready before christmas?
Axel Polleres: ready before christmas? ←
15:23:15 <LeeF> SteveH: no, ready before end of December
Steve Harris: no, ready before end of December ←
15:24:00 <LeeF> LeeF: if documents are ready at the end of December, probably not publishing LC before the end of January
Lee Feigenbaum: if documents are ready at the end of December, probably not publishing LC before the end of January ←
15:24:03 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: update?
Axel Polleres: update? ←
15:24:08 <LeeF> pgearon: one issue is shortcuts
Paul Gearon: one issue is shortcuts ←
15:24:18 <LeeF> AlexPassant: comments on formal model that have not been addressed
Alexandre Passant: comments on formal model that have not been addressed ←
15:24:30 <LeeF> AlexPassant: also comments on bnodes and other things from previous reviews that need to be incorporated
Alexandre Passant: also comments on bnodes and other things from previous reviews that need to be incorporated ←
15:24:42 <LeeF> AlexPassant: shortcuts, formal model, comments from previous reviews
Alexandre Passant: shortcuts, formal model, comments from previous reviews ←
15:27:28 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: Sandro?
Axel Polleres: Sandro? ←
15:27:32 <LeeF> sandro: I can work on that any time.
Sandro Hawke: I can work on that any time. ←
15:27:43 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: We'll find a common time to discuss.
Axel Polleres: We'll find a common time to discuss. ←
15:28:04 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: ... issues about embedding RIF in RDF
Axel Polleres: ... issues about embedding RIF in RDF ←
15:28:26 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: axel to check back with Birte/chime on entailment regimes schedule
ACTION: axel to check back with Birte/chime on entailment regimes schedule ←
15:28:26 <trackbot> Created ACTION-336 - Check back with Birte/chime on entailment regimes schedule [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-11-30].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-336 - Check back with Birte/chime on entailment regimes schedule [on Axel Polleres - due 2010-11-30]. ←
15:29:25 <AxelPolleres> http-update
Axel Polleres: http-update ←
15:29:43 <LeeF> AndyS: base URI matter and handling of default graphs still to be addressed in HTTP protocol document
Andy Seaborne: base URI matter and handling of default graphs still to be addressed in HTTP protocol document ←
15:29:49 <AxelPolleres> LeeF: I got back to chime to inform us about status
Lee Feigenbaum: I got back to chime to inform us about status [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
15:30:17 <AxelPolleres> service description?
Axel Polleres: service description? ←
15:30:19 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: service desc?
Axel Polleres: service desc? ←
15:30:22 <LeeF> kasei: two issues
Gregory Williams: two issues ←
15:30:29 <LeeF> kasei: add feature URI for basic federated queries
Gregory Williams: add feature URI for basic federated queries ←
15:30:42 <LeeF> kasei: have some links and text that need to align with a protocol document whenever that is dealt with
Gregory Williams: have some links and text that need to align with a protocol document whenever that is dealt with ←
15:31:16 <AxelPolleres> no objections to kasei address the first item.
Axel Polleres: no objections to kasei address the first item. ←
15:31:26 <AxelPolleres> protocol?
Axel Polleres: protocol? ←
15:31:59 <AxelPolleres> LeeF: dedicated TC would probably help
Lee Feigenbaum: dedicated TC would probably help [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
15:32:50 <AxelPolleres> protocol doc a bit laging, no dedicated editor at the moment.
Axel Polleres: protocol doc a bit laging, no dedicated editor at the moment. ←
15:33:26 <LeeF> Who would be willing to participate in working sessions around protocol?
Who would be willing to participate in working sessions around protocol? ←
15:33:31 <SteveH> telecon, yes. editing, no
Steve Harris: telecon, yes. editing, no ←
15:33:45 <kasei> I'd be willing to help.
Gregory Williams: I'd be willing to help. ←
15:33:59 <LeeF> Lee would be willing to help
Lee would be willing to help ←
15:34:00 <AndyS> As SteveH
Andy Seaborne: As SteveH ←
15:34:30 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: LeeF to sned out a doodle poll on protocol TC
ACTION: LeeF to sned out a doodle poll on protocol TC ←
15:34:30 <trackbot> Created ACTION-337 - Sned out a doodle poll on protocol TC [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2010-11-30].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-337 - Sned out a doodle poll on protocol TC [on Lee Feigenbaum - due 2010-11-30]. ←
15:35:24 <AxelPolleres> Axel: outcome needed of that dedicated TC is a schedule (Andy: and who's doing the writing)
Axel Polleres: outcome needed of that dedicated TC is a schedule (Andy: and who's doing the writing) [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
15:36:03 <AndyS> AndyS: schedule requires writing effort
Andy Seaborne: schedule requires writing effort [ Scribe Assist by Andy Seaborne ] ←
15:36:15 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Mikhailov: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
15:36:15 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←
15:36:17 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
15:36:18 <AxelPolleres> federated query extension?
Axel Polleres: federated query extension? ←
15:36:42 <AxelPolleres> carlos: want to have everything ready by 21 dec
Carlos Buil Aranda: want to have everything ready by 21 dec [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
15:36:44 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
15:37:19 <AxelPolleres> carlos: would appreciate feedback.
Carlos Buil Aranda: would appreciate feedback. [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
15:37:23 <LeeF> AndyS: are there any syntax changes?
Andy Seaborne: are there any syntax changes? ←
15:37:27 <LeeF> carlos: no
Carlos Buil Aranda: no ←
15:37:28 <AxelPolleres> andy: any syntax changes in mind?
Andy Seaborne: any syntax changes in mind? [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
15:38:37 <AxelPolleres> overview-document
Axel Polleres: overview-document ←
15:38:40 <AxelPolleres> ?
Axel Polleres: ? ←
15:39:40 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: some changes with examples, list everyone contributing as participants
Axel Polleres: some changes with examples, list everyone contributing as participants ←
15:39:49 <AxelPolleres> update by mid of december.
Axel Polleres: update by mid of december. ←
15:40:27 <ivan> q+
Ivan Mikhailov: q+ ←
15:40:45 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: ivan is leaving us as staff contact, thanks to ivan for all of his help
Axel Polleres: ivan is leaving us as staff contact, thanks to ivan for all of his help ←
15:40:46 <AndyS> (applause)
Andy Seaborne: (applause) ←
15:41:03 <LeeF> ivan: restructuring in light of new groups and w3c resources
Ivan Mikhailov: restructuring in light of new groups and w3c resources ←
15:41:10 <LeeF> ... will be picking up rdb2rdf staff contact
... will be picking up rdb2rdf staff contact ←
15:41:16 <LeeF> ... also new rdf group coming up
... also new rdf group coming up ←
15:41:22 <LeeF> ... will stay on SPARQL mailing list
... will stay on SPARQL mailing list ←
15:41:53 <LeeF> ack AndyS
ack AndyS ←
15:42:04 <LeeF> AndyS: what's the status of the function library document?
Andy Seaborne: what's the status of the function library document? ←
15:43:11 <AxelPolleres> topic: shortcuts
15:43:13 <AndyS> zakim, who is on the phone?
Andy Seaborne: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:43:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see cbuilara, AxelPolleres, AndyS, kasei, AlexPassant, pgearon, SteveH, LeeF, Sandro, Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see cbuilara, AxelPolleres, AndyS, kasei, AlexPassant, pgearon, SteveH, LeeF, Sandro, Ivan ←
15:44:12 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED1: Add update shortcuts in LC marked explicitly "AT RISK" and asking for feedback, explicitly about potentially complicating the language, and implementation experience.
Axel Polleres: PROPOSED1: Add update shortcuts in LC marked explicitly "AT RISK" and asking for feedback, explicitly about potentially complicating the language, and implementation experience. ←
15:44:21 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED2: postpone ISSUE-59
Axel Polleres: PROPOSED2: postpone ISSUE-59 ←
15:44:33 <SteveH> strawpoll?
Steve Harris: strawpoll? ←
15:44:44 <AlexPassant> +1 for a strawpoll
Alexandre Passant: +1 for a strawpoll ←
15:44:45 <SteveH> q+
Steve Harris: q+ ←
15:44:51 <ivan> q-
Ivan Mikhailov: q- ←
15:45:22 <LeeF> SteveH: how about one strawpoll?
Steve Harris: how about one strawpoll? ←
15:45:38 <LeeF> sandro: is the reason not to do this because it slows down the schedule?
Sandro Hawke: is the reason not to do this because it slows down the schedule? ←
15:46:01 <AlexPassant> It wont slow down schedule imo
Alexandre Passant: It wont slow down schedule imo ←
15:46:08 <AndyS> q+
Andy Seaborne: q+ ←
15:46:10 <AlexPassant> not from an editing pov at least
Alexandre Passant: not from an editing pov at least ←
15:46:13 <SteveH> q-
Steve Harris: q- ←
15:46:23 <LeeF> LeeF: expresesd concerns relate to not wanting to add shortcuts into the language yet
Lee Feigenbaum: expresesd concerns relate to not wanting to add shortcuts into the language yet ←
15:46:39 <AndyS> q-
Andy Seaborne: q- ←
15:47:23 <LeeF> AxelPolleres: +1 is for adding shortcuts, -1 is for postponing work on shortcuts
Axel Polleres: +1 is for adding shortcuts, -1 is for postponing work on shortcuts ←
15:47:44 <AndyS> Small point: we already have a "shortcut" -- CLEAR
Andy Seaborne: Small point: we already have a "shortcut" -- CLEAR ←
15:48:07 <AxelPolleres> +1 is for adding shortcuts, -1 is for postponing work on shortcuts
Axel Polleres: +1 is for adding shortcuts, -1 is for postponing work on shortcuts ←
15:48:08 <kasei> -1
Gregory Williams: -1 ←
15:48:09 <SteveH> -1
Steve Harris: -1 ←
15:48:10 <AlexPassant> +1
Alexandre Passant: +1 ←
15:48:12 <LeeF> sandro: +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
15:48:15 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
15:48:19 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
15:48:34 <LeeF> 0
0 ←
15:48:37 <cbuilara> 0
15:48:42 <pgearon> +1
Paul Gearon: +1 ←
15:48:53 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Mikhailov: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
15:48:53 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←
15:48:55 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
15:49:12 <ivan> 0
Ivan Mikhailov: 0 ←
15:49:31 <AxelPolleres> +1
Axel Polleres: +1 ←
15:49:52 <AxelPolleres> 5/3/2
Axel Polleres: 5/3/2 ←
15:50:05 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: Add update shortcuts in LC marked explicitly "AT RISK" and asking for feedback, explicitly about potentially complicating the language, and implementation experience.
PROPOSED: Add update shortcuts in LC marked explicitly "AT RISK" and asking for feedback, explicitly about potentially complicating the language, and implementation experience. ←
15:50:09 <LeeF> Abstain.
Abstain. ←
15:50:10 <SteveH> abstain
Steve Harris: abstain ←
15:50:27 <AndyS> seconded
Andy Seaborne: seconded ←
15:50:31 <kasei> abstain
Gregory Williams: abstain ←
15:50:47 <LeeF> RESOLVED: Add update shortcuts in LC marked explicitly "AT RISK" and asking for feedback, explicitly about potentially complicating the language, and implementation experience, SteveH, LeeF, kasei abstaining
RESOLVED: Add update shortcuts in LC marked explicitly "AT RISK" and asking for feedback, explicitly about potentially complicating the language, and implementation experience, SteveH, LeeF, kasei abstaining ←
15:51:26 <LeeF> ISSUE-59?
15:51:26 <trackbot> ISSUE-59 -- Shall we add shortcuts for update as proposed in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JulSep/0053.html -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-59 -- Shall we add shortcuts for update as proposed in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JulSep/0053.html -- open ←
15:51:26 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/59
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/track/issues/59 ←
15:51:35 <LeeF> ISSUE-59: RESOLVED: Add update shortcuts in LC marked explicitly "AT RISK" and asking for feedback, explicitly about potentially complicating the language, and implementation experience, SteveH, LeeF, kasei abstaining
ISSUE-59: RESOLVED: Add update shortcuts in LC marked explicitly "AT RISK" and asking for feedback, explicitly about potentially complicating the language, and implementation experience, SteveH, LeeF, kasei abstaining ←
15:51:35 <trackbot> ISSUE-59 Shall we add shortcuts for update as proposed in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JulSep/0053.html notes added
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-59 Shall we add shortcuts for update as proposed in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JulSep/0053.html notes added ←
15:51:40 <LeeF> trackbot, close ISSUE-59
15:51:40 <AxelPolleres> topic: function library
15:51:40 <trackbot> ISSUE-59 Shall we add shortcuts for update as proposed in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JulSep/0053.html closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-59 Shall we add shortcuts for update as proposed in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010JulSep/0053.html closed ←
15:51:55 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010OctDec/0252.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010OctDec/0252.html ←
15:54:02 <AxelPolleres> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010OctDec/0188.html
Axel Polleres: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2010OctDec/0188.html ←
15:54:26 <SteveH> q+
Steve Harris: q+ ←
15:54:32 <AndyS> Simple literals.
Andy Seaborne: Simple literals. ←
15:54:34 <kasei> simple literals, please
Gregory Williams: simple literals, please ←
15:54:58 <LeeF> Simple literals, can always be casted with xsd:string(...)
Simple literals, can always be casted with xsd:string(...) ←
15:55:08 <AxelPolleres> seems that we need "own versions" for all
Axel Polleres: seems that we need "own versions" for all ←
15:55:11 <AxelPolleres> 7.3.2 fn:compare
Axel Polleres: 7.3.2 fn:compare ←
15:55:12 <AxelPolleres> 7.4.1 fn:concat
Axel Polleres: 7.4.1 fn:concat ←
15:55:12 <AxelPolleres> 7.4.3 fn:substring
Axel Polleres: 7.4.3 fn:substring ←
15:55:12 <AxelPolleres> 7.4.4 fn:string-length
Axel Polleres: 7.4.4 fn:string-length ←
15:55:13 <AxelPolleres> 7.4.7 fn:upper-case
Axel Polleres: 7.4.7 fn:upper-case ←
15:55:13 <AxelPolleres> 7.4.8 fn:lower-case
Axel Polleres: 7.4.8 fn:lower-case ←
15:55:14 <AxelPolleres> 7.4.10 fn:encode-for-uri
Axel Polleres: 7.4.10 fn:encode-for-uri ←
15:55:16 <AxelPolleres> 7.5.1 fn:contains (collation form optional)
Axel Polleres: 7.5.1 fn:contains (collation form optional) ←
15:55:18 <AxelPolleres> 7.5.2 fn:starts-with
Axel Polleres: 7.5.2 fn:starts-with ←
15:55:20 <AxelPolleres> 7.5.3 fn:ends-with
Axel Polleres: 7.5.3 fn:ends-with ←
15:55:52 <SteveH> CONCAT(...) == STR(fn:concat(...))
Steve Harris: CONCAT(...) == STR(fn:concat(...)) ←
15:56:03 <LeeF> LeeF: Would like to be able to freely compose these functions that deal in strings
Lee Feigenbaum: Would like to be able to freely compose these functions that deal in strings ←
15:57:37 <SteveH> "Atomic datatypes are those having values which are regarded by this specification as being indivisible."
Steve Harris: "Atomic datatypes are those having values which are regarded by this specification as being indivisible." ←
15:57:50 <AndyS> "Atomic datatypes are those having values which are regarded by this specification as being indivisible. "
Andy Seaborne: "Atomic datatypes are those having values which are regarded by this specification as being indivisible. " ←
16:00:02 <Zakim> -SteveH
Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveH ←
16:00:40 <LeeF> adjourned, officially
adjourned, officially ←
16:00:57 <SteveH> sorry, got kicked, missed the end of AndyS's diatribe
Steve Harris: sorry, got kicked, missed the end of AndyS's diatribe ←
16:01:18 <Zakim> -LeeF
Zakim IRC Bot: -LeeF ←
16:02:10 <ivan> zakim, drop me
Ivan Mikhailov: zakim, drop me ←
16:02:10 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected
Zakim IRC Bot: Ivan is being disconnected ←
16:02:11 <Zakim> -Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ivan ←
16:02:42 <Zakim> -AlexPassant
Zakim IRC Bot: -AlexPassant ←
16:02:43 <Zakim> -cbuilara
Zakim IRC Bot: -cbuilara ←
16:02:44 <Zakim> -kasei
Zakim IRC Bot: -kasei ←
16:02:49 <Zakim> -pgearon
Zakim IRC Bot: -pgearon ←
16:02:53 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
16:03:15 <AxelPolleres> Axel: Andy, would there for the string related functions speak anything against defining our own that treat strings and simple literals the same and return simple lieterals instead of strings?
Axel Polleres: Andy, would there for the string related functions speak anything against defining our own that treat strings and simple literals the same and return simple lieterals instead of strings? [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
16:03:21 <AxelPolleres> Andy: that sounds doable
Andy Seaborne: that sounds doable [ Scribe Assist by Axel Polleres ] ←
16:03:46 <AxelPolleres> adjourned for real now... thanks all!
Axel Polleres: adjourned for real now... thanks all! ←
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