20:53:09 RRSAgent has joined #wai-wcag 20:53:09 logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/12/17-wai-wcag-irc 20:53:11 RRSAgent, make logs public 20:53:11 Zakim has joined #wai-wcag 20:53:13 Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG 20:53:13 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_WCAG()4:00PM scheduled to start in 7 minutes 20:53:14 Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference 20:53:14 Date: 17 December 2009 20:58:06 WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has now started 20:58:08 +Cooper 20:59:10 bcaldwell has joined #wai-wcag 20:59:54 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2009OctDec/0034.html 21:00:38 +Andi_Snow_Weaver 21:01:05 + +1.415.373.aaaa 21:01:21 zakim, +1.415 is Sofia_Celic 21:01:21 +Sofia_Celic; got it 21:01:29 +Andrew_Kirkpatrick 21:02:18 Sofia has joined #wai-wcag 21:02:35 +Ben 21:06:07 + +1.443.415.aabb 21:06:24 +Iyad_Abu_Doush 21:06:37 zakim, +1.443 is Bruce_Bailey 21:06:37 +Bruce_Bailey; got it 21:07:37 Andi has joined #wai-wcag 21:08:26 awk has joined #WAI-wcag 21:08:41 +??P6 21:09:04 topic: PDF techniques survey for 3 December 2009 http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20091203pdf/results 21:09:04 zakim, ??P6 is Gregg_Vanderheiden 21:09:04 +Gregg_Vanderheiden; got it 21:09:33 scribe: awk 21:10:33 Take up: 1. Sufficient PDF Technique for SC 3.3.5: Add Context Sensitive Help Information 21:10:48 http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Add_Context_Sensitive_Help_Information 21:13:32 Iyad has joined #wai-wcag 21:18:31 ACTION kirkpatrick: example files need to be added as example 3, and applicability section needs editing. 21:18:31 Created ACTION-56 - Example files need to be added as example 3, and applicability section needs editing. [on Andrew Kirkpatrick - due 2009-12-24]. 21:19:13 ACTION: kirkpatrick to example files need to be added as example 3, and applicability section needs editing. 21:19:13 Created ACTION-57 - Example files need to be added as example 3, and applicability section needs editing. [on Andrew Kirkpatrick - due 2009-12-24]. 21:19:19 greggvanderheiden has joined #wai-wcag 21:19:57 Accept technique with proposed changes. 21:20:45 RESOLUTION: Accept technique as general technique with revisions to be added 21:21:11 ITEM: Sufficient PDF Technique for SC 2.2.1: Allow Users to Prevent Timeouts 21:21:17 http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Allow_Users_to_Prevent_Timeouts 21:25:51 RESOLUTION: return to author to add more PDF specific implementation information and example. 21:26:12 ITEM: Sufficient PDF Technique for SC 1.1.1: Applying text alternatives to ... 21:26:22 http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Applying_text_alternatives_to_non-text_objects 21:29:49 Example needed that details where in the ISO32000 spec image alternatives are provided 21:32:08 examples 1 & 2 need to use "Using Adobe Acrobat to..." titling format 21:32:14 +Katie_Haritos-Shea 21:34:45 Recast this as a technique to use a particular PDF Feature to add alt text; add a technical example of how it is done in PDF; then retitle the other examples to be "using this tool to implement the technique"..etc. 21:35:51 language needs to be more active for this technique. 21:37:18 Recast this as a technique to use a particular PDF Feature to add alt text (change title and description); add a technical example of how it is done in PDF; then move the "tool used" to the front of the example titles 21:38:33 RESOLUTION: Accept with proposed changes (Recast this as a technique to use a particular PDF Feature to add alt text (change title and description); add a technical example of how it is done in PDF; then move the "tool used" to the front of the example titles) 21:38:53 ITEM: Sufficient PDF Technique for SC 3.3.1: Indicating required form controls PDF 21:39:05 http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Indicating_required_form_controls_PDF 21:49:54 ACTION: awk to add example showing use of tooltip 21:49:54 Sorry, couldn't find user - awk 21:50:45 ACTION: kirkpatrick to add an example showing use of tooltip, so long as the tooltip appears when tabbed to. 21:50:46 Created ACTION-58 - Add an example showing use of tooltip, so long as the tooltip appears when tabbed to. [on Andrew Kirkpatrick - due 2009-12-24]. 21:52:13 Accepted pending confirmation that tooltip appears when tabbed to. If not then tooltip aspect is removed from title and example and technique accepted without it 21:52:16 RESOLUTION: Accept pending confirmation of tooltip appearing when tabbed to, if not then tooltip aspect is removed from title and examples for technique 21:52:42 -Sofia_Celic 21:53:43 RESOLUTION: change title of H90 to Indicating required form controls using label or legend. 21:54:32 ACTION: MichaelC to change title of H90 per resolution 21:54:32 Created ACTION-59 - Change title of H90 per resolution [on Michael Cooper - due 2009-12-24]. 21:54:39 ITEM: Sufficient PDF Technique for SC 1.3.2, 2.4.3: Making the reading order ... 21:54:50 http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Making_the_reading_order_match_the_visual_order_in_PDF 21:57:49 ACTION: bcaldwell to fix the text procedure to be similar in structure to SCR2 (http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG-TECHS/SCR2#SCR2-tests and http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Making_the_reading_order_match_the_visual_order_in_PDF) 21:57:49 Sorry, couldn't find user - bcaldwell 21:58:04 ACTION: ben to fix the text procedure to be similar in structure to SCR2 (http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG-TECHS/SCR2#SCR2-tests and http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Making_the_reading_order_match_the_visual_order_in_PDF) 21:58:05 Created ACTION-60 - Fix the text procedure to be similar in structure to SCR2 (http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG-TECHS/SCR2#SCR2-tests and http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Making_the_reading_order_match_the_visual_order_in_PDF) [on Ben Caldwell - due 2009-12-24]. 22:01:08 ACTION: kirkpatrick to add example showing how to assign reading order with Acrobat command for simple pages. 22:01:08 Created ACTION-61 - Add example showing how to assign reading order with Acrobat command for simple pages. [on Andrew Kirkpatrick - due 2009-12-24]. 22:01:39 RESOLUTION: Keep open pending action items. 22:01:52 ITEM: Sufficient PDF Technique for SC 2.4.1: Providing tagged headings ... 22:02:02 http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Providing_tagged_headings_at_the_beginning_of_each_section_of_content 22:04:49 ACTION: kirkpatrick to modify examples to explain steps more, and add PDF source detail from spec 22:04:49 Created ACTION-62 - Modify examples to explain steps more, and add PDF source detail from spec [on Andrew Kirkpatrick - due 2009-12-24]. 22:08:31 this technique and H42 both use the same description 22:09:30 ACTION: kirkpatrick to remove description from this http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Providing_tagged_headings_at_the_beginning_of_each_section_of_content and H42 (http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG-TECHS/H42) to make a new general technique. 22:09:30 Created ACTION-63 - Remove description from this http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Providing_tagged_headings_at_the_beginning_of_each_section_of_content and H42 (http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG-TECHS/H42) to make a new general technique. [on Andrew Kirkpatrick - due 2009-12-24]. 22:10:14 RESOLUTION: Keep open pending changes. 22:10:33 ITEM: Sufficient PDF Technique for SC 3.1.1: Specifying the default document language 22:10:45 http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Specifying_the_default_document_language 22:13:47 ACTION: kirkpatrick to add reference to PDF spec for language 22:13:47 Created ACTION-64 - Add reference to PDF spec for language [on Andrew Kirkpatrick - due 2009-12-24]. 22:16:17 ACTION: kirkpatrick to check if language in word documents can be transferred automatically 22:16:17 Created ACTION-65 - Check if language in word documents can be transferred automatically [on Andrew Kirkpatrick - due 2009-12-24]. 22:16:52 RESOLUTION: keep open pending action items 22:19:26 +Loretta_Guarino_Reid 22:19:58 Loretta has joined #wai-wcag 22:20:17 RESOLUTION: kirkpatrick to combine http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Using_heading_styles_in_Word_documents_to_provide_tagged_headings_when_converted_to_PDF as an example for http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Providing_tagged_headings_at_the_beginning_of_each_section_of_content 22:20:35 ITEM: Sufficient PDF Technique for SC 2.4.1: Providing tagged headings ... 22:20:47 http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Providing_tagged_headings_at_the_beginning_of_each_section_of_content 22:21:32 ITEM: Sufficient PDF Technique for SC 3.2.2: Providing submit buttons in PDF 22:21:40 http://trace.wisc.edu/wcag_wiki/index.php?title=Providing_submit_buttons_in_PDF_forms 22:24:54 ACTION: kirkpatrick to check to see if there is a specific submit button for PDF/XFA or not 22:24:54 Created ACTION-66 - Check to see if there is a specific submit button for PDF/XFA or not [on Andrew Kirkpatrick - due 2009-12-24]. 22:26:22 The description needs to be modified so that the information is clearer with respect to the PDF spec. 22:27:41 RESOLUTION: Keep open so description and steps can be improved, and address action item. 22:29:55 ITEM: Survey http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20091217waynedick/ 22:41:29 Have to go now, sorry 22:41:38 -Iyad_Abu_Doush 22:44:45 RESOLUTION: Accept choice 3 (SC 1.3.1 is automatically satisfied for content that qualifies as text) and editors will write response to Wayne's questions, to be approved by interested WG members and sent out next Wednesday evening. 22:44:46 MichaelC_ has joined #wai-wcag 22:46:34 Tools to check out: 22:46:34 PitStop Pro – http://www.enfocus.com. It’s a plugin to Acrobat 22:46:34 InFix – http://www.iceni.com/infix.htm - stand alone viewer/editor. 22:48:29 awk has left #WAI-wcag 22:48:37 -Andi_Snow_Weaver 22:48:38 -Andrew_Kirkpatrick 22:48:38 -Ben 22:48:39 -Katie_Haritos-Shea 22:48:39 -Cooper 22:48:41 -Gregg_Vanderheiden 22:48:41 -Loretta_Guarino_Reid 22:48:49 -Bruce_Bailey 22:48:50 WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended 22:48:52 Attendees were Cooper, Andi_Snow_Weaver, +1.415.373.aaaa, Sofia_Celic, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Ben, +1.443.415.aabb, Iyad_Abu_Doush, Bruce_Bailey, Gregg_Vanderheiden, 22:48:54 ... Katie_Haritos-Shea, Loretta_Guarino_Reid 22:50:06 MichaelC has joined #wai-wcag 23:11:30 Zakim has left #wai-wcag