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17:00:59 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be HTML
17:00:59 <Zakim> HTML matches both HTML_WG()12:00PM and WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM
17:01:00 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
17:01:00 <trackbot> Date: 17 December 2009
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17:01:34 <rubys> zakim, who is on the call?
17:01:34 <Zakim> sorry, rubys, I don't know what conference this is
17:01:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see masinter, Eliot_Graff, Zakim, RRSAgent, oedipus, MichaelC, adrianba, rubys, cardona507, paulc, sbublava, dsinger, gavin_, Laura, zcorpan, LeifHS, aroben, kliehm,
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17:01:40 <Zakim> ... miketaylr, plh, myakura, ROBOd, Julian, jmb, mjs, shepazu, karl, paul_iri_, syp, krijnh, tlr-bbl, drry, gavin, johndrinkwater, Dashiva, CIA-1, jgraham, hsivonen, Hixie,
17:01:42 <Zakim> ... gsnedders, trackbot, Yudai, inimino, matt, Philip, ed_work
17:01:56 <rubys> zakim, this will be HTML_WG
17:01:56 <Zakim> ok, rubys, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
17:01:57 <paulc> Good morning/mid-day
17:02:00 <Zakim> +[Microsoft.aa]
17:02:04 <Zakim> +[Apple]
17:02:06 <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft.aa] has adrianba
17:02:06 <Zakim> +adrianba; got it
17:02:09 <dsinger> zakim, [apple] has dsinger
17:02:09 <Zakim> +Cooper
17:02:09 <Zakim> +dsinger; got it
17:02:12 <rubys> zakim, who is on the call?
17:02:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], cardona507, Sam, kliehm, Masinter, [Microsoft.a], +1.510.495.aaaa, [Microsoft.aa], [Apple], Cooper (muted)
17:02:19 <Zakim> [Microsoft.aa] has adrianba
17:02:24 <Zakim> [Apple] has dsinger
17:02:36 <paulc> Zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
17:02:36 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
17:02:38 <rob> zakim +1.510.495.aaaa is rob
17:02:44 <Eliot_Graff> zakim, +[Microsoft.a] is me
17:02:44 <Zakim> sorry, Eliot_Graff, I do not recognize a party named '+[Microsoft.a]'
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17:02:46 <cardona507> Zakim, please mute me.
17:02:46 <Zakim> cardona507 should now be muted
17:02:51 <Zakim> +Matt_May
17:03:03 <Zakim> +Laura
17:03:07 <paulc> We need a scribe volunteer.
17:03:13 <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita
17:03:24 <Zakim> -Laura
17:03:31 <rob> zakim, +1.510.495.aaaa is me
17:03:31 <Zakim> +rob; got it
17:03:33 <paulc> I expect the meeting will be short so it is a good day to volunteer
17:03:34 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
17:03:43 <Eliot_Graff> zakim, +Microsoft.a is me
17:03:44 <Zakim> sorry, Eliot_Graff, I do not recognize a party named '+Microsoft.a'
17:03:45 <paulc> zakim, who is on the call?
17:03:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see [Microsoft], cardona507 (muted), Sam, kliehm, Masinter, [Microsoft.a], rob, [Microsoft.aa], [Apple], Cooper, Matt_May, Gregory_Rosmaita, Cynthia_Shelly
17:03:49 <Zakim> [Microsoft.aa] has adrianba
17:03:49 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
17:03:50 <Zakim> [Apple] has dsinger
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17:03:59 <Eliot_Graff> Zakim, [Microsoft.a] is me
17:04:01 <Zakim> +Eliot_Graff; got it
17:04:25 <rubys> scribe: Sam
17:04:38 <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Dec/0402.html
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17:05:06 <rubys> topic: Review of action items pending review
17:05:07 <Zakim> +mjs
17:05:09 <paulc> Review of action items pending review
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17:05:12 <paulc> None
17:05:13 <Zakim> +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
17:05:16 <mjs> (sorry, dialing troubles)
17:05:22 <paulc> overdue action items
17:05:27 <rubys> topic: Review of due and overdue action items
17:05:29 <paulc> ACTION-159
17:05:46 <adrianba> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/DistributedExtensibility#htmleditors
17:05:49 <rubys> Adrian: I've updated the action and posted some info on the wiki
17:05:58 <rubys> Paul: so action 159 is done
17:06:03 <rubys> close action-159
17:06:03 <trackbot> ACTION-159 Document Extensibility Use Case for Editors on Wiki closed
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17:06:14 <masinter> moves into "pending review" ?
17:06:23 <masinter> action-159?
17:06:23 <trackbot> ACTION-159 -- Adrian Bateman to document Extensibility Use Case for Editors on Wiki -- due 2009-12-17 -- CLOSED
17:06:23 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/159
17:06:31 <rubys> paul: action-127 on maciej...
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17:06:51 <rubys> mjs: I have yet to send that out
17:06:58 <paulc> Change to date to Jan 7?
17:06:58 <rubys> paul: new due date: Jan 7th?
17:07:13 <paulc> Agreed: Change the date to Jan 14
17:07:14 <rubys> mjs: add an additional week to that...
17:07:34 <rubys> action-127 due jan 13
17:07:34 <trackbot> ACTION-127 establish process for "official WG response" to other WG's RFC on LC drafts due date now jan 13
17:07:34 <paulc> Jan 13 is better (before the Jan 14 telcon)
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17:07:58 <rubys> paul: action 137 on Richard
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17:08:16 <janina> zakim, call janina
17:08:16 <Zakim> ok, janina; the call is being made
17:08:17 <Zakim> +Janina
17:08:23 <masinter> action-133?
17:08:23 <trackbot> ACTION-133 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to develop an accessibility API and model for canvas as well as attributes to specify alternative content -- due 2009-12-17 -- OPEN
17:08:23 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/133
17:08:54 <rubys> Richard: I don't think we are going to get an accessibility API agreed upon in an HTML5 timeframe, but we are close to an agreement on a shadow-dom approach
17:09:46 <rubys> richard: we need to work on alternative content
17:10:00 <rubys> richard: we need to propose additions to css
17:10:23 <rubys> paul: how do I handle this action item?  Change the date?
17:11:23 <rubys> richard: an accessibility API is not likely in the HTML5 timeframe; for now we will approach this a shadow-dom, and we will need to provide a means for providing alternative content
17:11:52 <Zakim> +Plh
17:12:30 <rubys> paul: I'm trying to figure out a correlation to other actions, should we morph this one or change the date or ...
17:12:50 <masinter> issue-74?
17:12:50 <trackbot> ISSUE-74 -- How accessibility works for <canvas> is unclear. -- OPEN
17:12:50 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/74
17:13:30 <rubys> paul: I believe that we should close 133, and open a new action item that correlates to issue-74
17:13:52 <rubys> richard: (to dsinger) do you think March is a reasonable date?
17:14:17 <rubys> dsinger: I think so, as long as it doesn't impact css
17:15:01 <rubys> close action-133
17:15:01 <trackbot> ACTION-133 Develop an accessibility API and model for canvas as well as attributes to specify alternative content closed
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17:16:12 <rubys> action on richard to draft a proposal for accessibility of canvas due 25 Feb 2010
17:16:12 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - on
17:16:38 <rubys> action richard to draft a proposal for accessibility of canvas due 25 Feb 2010
17:16:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-165 - Draft a proposal for accessibility of canvas due 25 Feb 2010 [on Richard Schwerdtfeger - due 2009-12-24].
17:17:06 <rubys> topic Microdata proposals poll 
17:17:15 <paulc> Issue-76 proposals poll
17:17:25 <rubys> paul: I want to remind everybody that the poll closes this evening.
17:17:47 <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft.aa] has TonyRoss
17:17:47 <Zakim> +TonyRoss; got it
17:17:58 <rubys> paul: the chairs have scheduled a chairs meeting for tuesday to discuss the results and propose next steps
17:18:32 <rubys> paul: the chairs recommendation for the subsequent change proposals is to wait until we have accessed these results first
17:19:33 <rubys> janina: it is confusing how one can contribute to it and defer to others with more expertise
17:19:56 <rubys> paul: we are not trying to count, we are trying to get all of the problems enumerated.
17:20:26 <rubys> janina: it is not clear what utility that poll has then
17:20:31 <masinter> people should put in their opinion in their own words
17:20:38 <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft.aa] has krisk
17:20:38 <Zakim> +krisk; got it
17:20:40 <rubys> topic: Review of submitted Change Proposals
17:21:08 <kliehm> q+
17:21:10 <rubys> paul: I encourage everybody to review these: http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html
17:21:20 <rubys> topic: Review of Chair Calls for Proposals
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17:21:28 <rubys> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html
17:22:12 <rubys> Paul: as we have gotten no proposal for issue-87, I believe that we close this issue at this time.
17:22:13 <masinter> aren't there 4 issues with deadline of today?
17:22:25 <masinter> issue-87?
17:22:25 <trackbot> ISSUE-87 -- Should spec require whitespace normalization of attribute values, particularly in title attribute? -- RAISED
17:22:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/87
17:22:34 <rubys> close issue-87
17:22:34 <trackbot> ISSUE-87 Should spec require whitespace normalization of attribute values, particularly in title attribute? closed
17:22:36 <masinter> 10 35 73 87?
17:22:54 <oedipus> if it ain't a straw poll, don't call it one, and why if answers  are in "essay" form are the results shoved into a TABLE?
17:23:22 <oedipus> s/form are the/form why are the/
17:23:56 <kliehm> Just wanted to remark that the owner of Issue-88 is now the i18n WG: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2009OctDec/0131.html
17:24:11 <kliehm> q-
17:24:14 <masinter> and 35 and 73 are waiting for "object to closing"
17:25:08 <rubys> paul: issue-35 is on due jan 14
17:25:21 <rubys> paul: issue-10.. that status may be out of date
17:25:40 <rubys> paul: we will recheck on 10
17:25:52 <rubys> paul: we will also double check on issue-73
17:26:20 <rubys> paul: will do as soon after the meeting as I can
17:26:52 <rubys> action on paul to recheck status of issues 10 and 73
17:26:52 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - on
17:27:05 <rubys> action paul to recheck status of issues 10 and 73
17:27:05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-166 - Recheck status of issues 10 and 73 [on Paul Cotton - due 2009-12-24].
17:27:59 <rubys> Paul notes that there are no volunteers yet for most of the calls to proposals
17:28:23 <rubys> Paul: got input from mnot on issue-27 and encourages everybody to review
17:28:48 <rubys> Paul: will need to update issue-74 based on the new action items
17:29:54 <rubys> Larry: I have a change proposal for versioning (issue-4), and I owe an update to the change proposal, and once updated may also apply to issue-84.
17:30:06 <rubys> Paul: that still leaves a number of issues without volunteers
17:30:18 <rubys> topic: Review of Chair Calls for Consensus
17:30:41 <Zakim> -Rich_Schwerdtfeger
17:31:08 <rubys> Larry: this issue was amicably resolved...
17:31:24 <rubys> Paul: that distinction is effectively moot
17:31:31 <rubys> close issue-73
17:31:31 <trackbot> ISSUE-73 Overlap of "predefined vocabularies" with other specifications closed
17:32:20 <rubys> paul: issues 59 and 67 were originally due today, but have been delayed to January 1
17:32:38 <rubys> topic New issues this week
17:32:41 <rubys> none
17:32:50 <rubys> topic: Status of Task Forces 
17:33:28 <rubys> cynthia: (accessibility TF) I have an action item to update the proposal for summary due the second week of january
17:33:40 <rubys> issue-32?
17:33:40 <trackbot> ISSUE-32 -- how to provide a summary of a table, e.g. for unsighted navigation? -- OPEN
17:33:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/32
17:34:09 <rubys> paul: can you relate your work to the existing proposal?
17:34:28 <rubys> cynthia: I'm trying to find a compromise on the hidden meta-data
17:34:42 <rubys> paul: are you planning to submit another proposal or edit the existing proposal?
17:34:53 <rubys> cynthia: I plan to replace (refine) the existing proposal...
17:35:09 <rubys> paul: I'm wondering how we can track that
17:36:01 <rubys> action cynthia to update table-summary due january 14
17:36:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-167 - Update table-summary due january 14 [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2009-12-24].
17:36:42 <krisk> No update today from the testing task force, will update the group on jan 7th
17:37:39 <cardona507> Happy Holidays everyone :)
17:37:39 <Zakim> -Gregory_Rosmaita
17:37:43 <Zakim> -[Apple]
17:37:44 <kliehm> thanks
17:37:44 <Zakim> -Masinter
17:37:47 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
17:37:48 <Zakim> -Janina
17:37:48 <Zakim> -Matt_May
17:37:49 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
17:37:49 <Zakim> -Plh
17:37:51 <rubys> topic: REMINDER: Next meeting is on Thu Jan 7 2010
17:37:51 <Zakim> -[Microsoft.aa]
17:37:51 <Zakim> -Cooper
17:37:52 <Zakim> -mjs
17:37:54 <Zakim> -rob
17:37:56 <Zakim> -kliehm
17:37:58 <rubys> topic: adjournment
17:37:58 <Zakim> -cardona507
17:38:00 <Zakim> -Eliot_Graff
17:38:07 <Zakim> -Laura
17:38:09 <rubys> trackbot, generate minutes
17:38:09 <trackbot> Sorry, rubys, I don't understand 'trackbot, generate minutes'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
17:38:30 <rubys> zakim, generate minutes
17:38:30 <Zakim> I don't understand 'generate minutes', rubys
17:38:40 <Zakim> -Sam
17:38:41 <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
17:38:43 <Zakim> Attendees were cardona507, Sam, kliehm, Masinter, adrianba, Cooper, dsinger, paulc, Matt_May, Laura, Gregory_Rosmaita, rob, Cynthia_Shelly, Eliot_Graff, mjs, Rich_Schwerdtfeger,
17:38:45 <Zakim> ... Janina, Plh, TonyRoss, krisk
17:39:07 <rubys> rrsagent, generate minutes
17:39:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/17-html-wg-minutes.html rubys
17:39:21 <paulc> Thanks Sam for scribing today.
17:39:28 <paulc> Have a great holiday everyone.
17:39:36 <rubys> chair: paulc
17:39:44 <rubys> rrsagent, generate minutes
17:39:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/17-html-wg-minutes.html rubys
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