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16:58:53 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
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16:58:55 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be HTML
16:58:55 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
16:58:56 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
16:58:56 <trackbot> Date: 03 December 2009
16:59:03 <dsinger_> zakim, mute dsinger
16:59:03 <Zakim> dsinger should now be muted
16:59:12 <Zakim> +Gregory_Rosmaita
16:59:20 <cardona507> zakim, mute cardona507
16:59:20 <Zakim> sorry, cardona507, I do not know which phone connection belongs to cardona507
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16:59:36 <Zakim> - +1.831.454.aaaa
16:59:48 <dsinger_> zakim, who is here?
16:59:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see dsinger (muted), Rich, Gregory_Rosmaita
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16:59:50 <Zakim> On IRC I see janina, Zakim, RRSAgent, richardschwerdtfe, dsinger_, Stevef, MichaelC, cardona507, myakura, mjs, Laura, LeifHS, oedipus, aroben, miketaylr, kliehm, MikeSmith, gavin,
16:59:53 <janina> zakim, call janina
16:59:54 <Zakim> ... tlr, tH, JoePeck, ROBOd, trackbot, Julian, karl, dsinger, krijnh, shepazu, anne, Yudai, gavin_, hsivonen, Dashiva, jmb, inimino, syp, pimpbot, hober, jgraham, matt, Hixie,
16:59:56 <Zakim> ... gsnedders, Philip, CIA-1, ed_work, xover
16:59:57 <Zakim> ok, janina; the call is being made
16:59:57 <Zakim> +Janina
17:00:01 <Zakim> +Sam
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17:00:40 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike-Mobile
17:00:40 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
17:00:41 <Zakim> +Mike
17:00:48 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:00:52 <Zakim> + +1.831.454.aabb
17:01:10 <cardona507> zakim, +1.831.454.aabb is me
17:01:10 <Zakim> +cardona507; got it
17:01:11 <Stevef> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
17:01:11 <Zakim> +Stevef; got it
17:01:12 <Zakim> + +1.617.324.aacc
17:01:14 <Zakim> +kliehm
17:01:17 <cardona507> zakim, mute me
17:01:17 <Zakim> cardona507 should now be muted
17:01:22 <MichaelC> zakim, aacc is Michael_Cooper
17:01:22 <Zakim> +Michael_Cooper; got it
17:02:22 <Zakim> + +49.251.280.aadd
17:02:53 <Julian> Zakim, +49.251.280.aadd is me
17:02:53 <Zakim> +Julian; got it
17:03:10 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
17:03:17 <Zakim> +Matt_May
17:04:17 <Zakim> + +1.415.595.aaee
17:04:21 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
17:04:31 <mjs> Zakim, +1.415.595.aaee is me
17:04:31 <Zakim> +mjs; got it
17:04:39 <Zakim> + +1.715.718.aaff
17:05:12 <mjs> ny volunteers to scribe?
17:05:36 <Zakim> - +1.715.718.aaff
17:05:37 <rubys1> zakim, pick a script
17:05:38 <Zakim> I don't understand 'pick a script', rubys1
17:05:43 <mjs> Zakim, choose victim
17:05:43 <Zakim> I don't understand 'choose victim', mjs
17:05:46 <rubys1> zakim, pick a scribe
17:05:46 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Michael_Cooper
17:05:49 <oedipus> zakim, victim?
17:05:49 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, oedipus.
17:06:18 <MichaelC> scribe: MichaelC
17:06:38 <rubys1> trackbot, start meeting
17:06:40 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
17:06:42 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be HTML
17:06:42 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
17:06:43 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
17:06:43 <trackbot> Date: 03 December 2009
17:06:44 <li> li has joined #html-wg
17:07:14 <dsinger_> zakim, unmute dsinger
17:07:14 <Zakim> dsinger should no longer be muted
17:07:18 <MichaelC> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2009OctDec/0019.html
17:07:19 <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-12-3: issues, action items, calls for consensus/proposals, task force reports from Maciej Stachowiak on 2009-12-02 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from October to December 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
17:07:44 <MichaelC> chair: Maciej_Stachowiak
17:07:59 <dsinger_> zakim, mute dsinger
17:07:59 <Zakim> dsinger should now be muted
17:07:59 <mjs> trackbot: close ACTION-130
17:08:00 <trackbot> ACTION-130 Review status of video codec positions closed
17:08:11 <MichaelC> topic: Review of due and overdue action items
17:08:13 <Zakim> + +1.715.718.aagg
17:08:33 <MichaelC> ACTION-130 done
17:09:25 <Laura> img Element Change Proposal
17:09:27 <Laura> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/ChangeProposals/ImgElement20091203
17:09:27 <MichaelC> ACTION-131: Change proposal sent http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Dec/0101.html
17:09:27 <trackbot> ACTION-131 Draft ALT spec notes added
17:09:28 <pimpbot> Title: HTML/ChangeProposals/ImgElement20091203 - ESW Wiki (at esw.w3.org)
17:09:29 <pimpbot> Title: change proposal:modification to section 4.8.2.1 the img element from Steven Faulkner on 2009-12-03 (public-html@w3.org from December 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
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17:10:02 <MichaelC> sf: <summarizes>
17:10:10 <mjs> trackbot: close ACTION-131
17:10:10 <trackbot> ACTION-131 Draft ALT spec closed
17:10:11 <MichaelC> ms: can close action now that proposal posted
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17:10:56 <MichaelC> ACTION-138 still ongoing
17:11:07 <Zakim> +li
17:11:11 <MichaelC> sf: Discussed matrix in A11Y TF just before this call
17:11:21 <Laura> Zakim, aagg is me
17:11:22 <Zakim> +Laura; got it
17:11:33 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
17:11:38 <MichaelC> actively working on in TF
17:11:49 <MichaelC> ms: timeline to completion?
17:11:58 <MichaelC> sf: Today was first discussion in TF, not sure of timeline
17:12:14 <MichaelC> perhaps 1 month? should coordinate with A11Y TF facilitators
17:12:16 <oedipus> http://www.w3.org/2009/12/03-html-a11y-minutes.html
17:12:17 <pimpbot> Title: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference -- 03 Dec 2009 (at www.w3.org)
17:12:50 <MichaelC> MikeS: Planning to discuss over next week in A11Y TF
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17:13:04 <MichaelC> could give an update next week, though it probably won't be complete then
17:13:23 <MichaelC> Maciej: this has bumped week to week for months, would prefer to have a single deadline
17:13:47 <MichaelC> Gregory: Task force just starting...
17:14:18 <MichaelC> Janina: Early-mid January is earliest feasible time
17:14:34 <MichaelC> MikeS: January 14 2010
17:15:03 <MichaelC> SteveF: much work already done, some ready for review now
17:15:40 <MichaelC> Maciej: helpful to post what you have as soon as possible
17:15:50 <MichaelC> know some issues in play that good to discuss
17:16:06 <MichaelC> updating due date of action
17:16:44 <MichaelC> ACTION-158 not complete yet
17:17:04 <MichaelC> SteveF: action from TPAC, haven't gotten to yet
17:17:31 <MichaelC> need extra time to work on some things, and also want to bring to A11Y TF
17:17:41 <Zakim> +Masinter
17:17:56 <MichaelC> Maciej: deadline?
17:18:06 <MichaelC> SteveF: 31 December 2010
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17:18:23 <MichaelC> topic: Review of submitted change proposals
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17:19:33 <cardona507> i have a question
17:19:38 <MichaelC> ==ISSUE-4 (html-versioning)==
17:19:41 <cardona507> I am on mute so I will type
17:20:01 <cardona507> i am kind of unlclear - is <!doctype html> stll ok?
17:20:09 <masinter> yes
17:20:15 <masinter> and recommended in most situations
17:20:19 <cardona507> thanks larry
17:20:23 <Zakim> +[Apple]
17:20:31 <dsinger> zakim, [apple] has dsinger
17:20:31 <Zakim> +dsinger; got it
17:20:36 <MichaelC> Maciej: change proposal makes versioning optional but not mandatory, so yes to above question
17:20:37 <Zakim> -dsinger
17:20:55 <MichaelC> ==ISSUE-30 (longdesc)==
17:21:19 <MichaelC> Maciej: Charles submitted a change proposal a while back
17:21:30 <MichaelC> makes longdesc nonconforming but optional
17:21:38 <MichaelC> ==ISSUE-32 (table-summary)==
17:21:51 <MichaelC> Maciej: Cynthia posted a proposal with a number of changes
17:22:00 <MichaelC> chairs have given structural feedback, expect revision soon
17:22:18 <MichaelC> ==ISSUE-56 (urls-webarch)==
17:22:44 <MichaelC> Maciej: Proposal to change normative references
17:22:50 <MichaelC> some discussion has taken place
17:23:40 <MichaelC> speaker1: Suggest people join IRI mailing list to help resolve some of the issues
17:23:49 <MichaelC> ==ISSUE-76 (Microdata/RDFa)==
17:23:53 <masinter> s/speaker1/Larry/
17:24:22 <MichaelC> Maciej: Proposal was to publish separate draft
17:24:33 <MichaelC> now there's a propsal to retain within HTML
17:24:39 <MichaelC> there's been discussion on the mailing list
17:24:41 <oedipus> my phone is dying - will rejoin soon
17:24:45 <Zakim> -Gregory_Rosmaita
17:24:47 <Julian> q+
17:25:09 <MichaelC> speaker2: Was proposal to move to separate draft, or just remove altogether?
17:25:30 <MichaelC> Maciej: Proposal was to move to external document but not remove altogether
17:25:37 <MichaelC> ==ISSUE-83 (dt-dd-semantics)==
17:26:07 <MichaelC> Maciej: Proposal to not use dt/dd for <figure>
17:26:17 <MichaelC> proposed a new element in place
17:26:23 <MichaelC> chairs have sent structural feedback
17:26:40 <mjs> http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html
17:26:41 <pimpbot> Title: Change Proposal Status (at dev.w3.org)
17:27:15 <MichaelC> Maciej: above link shows status is change proposals in play
17:27:24 <MichaelC> probably won't go through individually each week
17:27:32 <MichaelC> just new ones going forward
17:27:46 <Julian> q-
17:27:47 <MichaelC> speaker3: What are next steps?
17:28:05 <Julian> s/speaker3/Julian/
17:28:27 <MichaelC> Maciej: chairs to review level of consensus and strength of arguments
17:28:45 <MichaelC> help decide which ones to advance
17:29:01 <MichaelC> Julian: What is a change proposal that proposes not doing anything?
17:29:27 <MichaelC> Maciej: Originated with ones in response to editor action on a bug entry
17:30:01 <MichaelC> Julian: Would there be counter-proposals for each proposal?
17:30:18 <MichaelC> Maciej: We might expect this
17:30:30 <Julian> s/Julian/Larry/ (in the last two lines)
17:30:49 <MichaelC> Larry: Is this part of the documented decision process
17:30:58 <MichaelC> s/Julian: Would/Larry: Would/
17:31:07 <MichaelC> s/Julian: What/Larry: What/
17:31:27 <Zakim> -Mike
17:31:35 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike-Mobile
17:31:35 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
17:31:37 <Zakim> +Mike
17:31:46 <MichaelC> Maciej: <scribe missed>, but let's take questions offline
17:32:10 <MichaelC> topic: Review of Chair calls for consensus / proposals
17:32:25 <MichaelC> ==ISSUE-7 (video-codecs)==
17:32:44 <MichaelC> If we don't receive change proposal by today (3 Dec) will close issue without prejudice
17:33:17 <MichaelC> speaker4: There was a proposal to move video element to a separate document
17:33:28 <MichaelC> Maciej: haven't yet received a formal change proposal on that
17:33:38 <MichaelC> people can submit if they want, by end of today
17:33:42 <Laura> Change Proposal Template: http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/ChangeProposalTemplate
17:33:43 <pimpbot> Title: HTML/ChangeProposalTemplate - ESW Wiki (at esw.w3.org)
17:34:12 <MichaelC> speaker4: thought that would be a way to resolve the codec issue on a different schedule from the rest of HTML
17:34:32 <MichaelC> ==ISSUE-63 (origin-req-scope)==
17:34:51 <MichaelC> Maciej: due today 3 Dec, will close without prejudice if no change proposal received
17:35:02 <MichaelC> ==ISSUE-76 (Microdata/RDFa) counter-proposals==
17:35:13 <MichaelC> maciej: received one counter-proposal yesterday
17:35:28 <MichaelC> ==ISSUE-1 (PINGPOST)==
17:35:39 <MichaelC> Maciej: Need change proposals by 17 Dec
17:35:55 <MichaelC> ==ISSUE-2 (PINGUI)==
17:35:57 <MichaelC> Maciej: Need change proposals by 17 Dec
17:36:05 <MichaelC> ==ISSUE-27 (rel-ownership)==
17:36:10 <MichaelC> Maciej: Need change proposals by 17 Dec
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17:36:18 <MichaelC> Paul Cotton has volunteered to submit one
17:36:30 <MichaelC> ==ISSUE-87 (attr-normalization)==
17:36:34 <MichaelC> Maciej: Need change proposals by 17 Dec
17:36:44 <MichaelC> ==ISSUE-88 (content-language-multiple)==
17:37:04 <MichaelC> Maciej: Leif Halvard Silli has volunteered to submit a proposal by 17 Jan 2010
17:37:15 <MichaelC> that's more than a month but the holidays intervene
17:37:33 <MichaelC> If you care about the issues above, please take action by the deadlines
17:37:46 <MichaelC> speaker4: Clarify closed without prejudice?
17:38:03 <Julian> s/speaker4: Clarify/Larry: Clarify/
17:38:05 <MichaelC> Maciej: Will close in Tracker, and won't consider the issue a blocker for advancement to LC
17:38:25 <MichaelC> if a proposal later comes in, it can be considered
17:39:02 <MichaelC> we need a clear proposal and rationale
17:39:10 <MichaelC> chairs will not try to dig up old discussions
17:39:16 <MichaelC> topic: New issues this week
17:39:21 <MichaelC> Maciej: none we know of
17:39:30 <MichaelC> topic: Status of task forces
17:39:49 <MichaelC> ==HTML Accessibility Task Force==
17:40:03 <MichaelC> Janina: First teleconference was today
17:40:08 <MichaelC> started out mostly procedural
17:40:16 <MichaelC> then started scoping issues to review first
17:40:25 <MichaelC> taking ARIA integration / mapping issues first
17:40:35 <MichaelC> (relates to Steve's action discussed earlier)
17:40:45 <MichaelC> taking 24 and 31 Dec 2009 meetings off
17:40:51 <MichaelC> mailing list is active on a few issues
17:40:57 <MichaelC> video sub-group is forming
17:41:22 <MichaelC> issues and possible solutions were covered in a pre-meeting before TPAC
17:41:37 <Stevef> q+
17:41:39 <MichaelC> ==Testing Task Force==
17:41:53 <MichaelC> Chris: Mailing list active
17:42:00 <MichaelC> starting a teleconference slot
17:42:16 <MichaelC> q+ to ask about timezone and date of meeting?
17:42:35 <MichaelC> planning to come back in early Jan with some preliminary activity
17:42:41 <MichaelC> meeting is 8am next week
17:43:05 <MichaelC> <scribe missed timezone and day of week>
17:43:08 <MichaelC> q-
17:43:13 <masinter> regrets next week -- during TAG meeting
17:43:19 <MichaelC> topic: Scribe for next week
17:43:27 <MichaelC> <the usual resounding silence>
17:43:42 <MichaelC> topic: Other business
17:43:51 <Stevef> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/80
17:43:52 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-80 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
17:44:08 <MichaelC> Steve: how do we hold issues open that are being actively open?
17:44:29 <MichaelC> Maciej: when a change proposal comes in, move issue and associated issues to open status
17:44:39 <krisk> HTML Testing Task Force Conf Call -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2009Dec/0001.html
17:44:41 <pimpbot> Title: RE: Testing Task Force Conf Call from Kris Krueger on 2009-12-03 (public-html-testsuite@w3.org from December 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
17:44:51 <MichaelC> s/Chris:/Kris:/
17:45:10 <Zakim> -Janina
17:45:11 <Zakim> -mjs
17:45:11 <Zakim> -Mike
17:45:12 <Laura> bye
17:45:12 <Zakim> -li
17:45:12 <Zakim> -[Apple]
17:45:13 <Zakim> -Julian
17:45:13 <Zakim> -Matt_May
17:45:16 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
17:45:20 <Zakim> -Masinter
17:45:23 <Zakim> -cardona507
17:45:28 <Zakim> -Sam
17:45:32 <Zakim> -Stevef
17:45:34 <Zakim> -kliehm
17:45:35 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
17:45:37 <Zakim> -Laura
17:45:47 <Zakim> -Rich
17:45:49 <Zakim> HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended
17:45:51 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.831.454.aaaa, dsinger, Rich, Gregory_Rosmaita, Janina, Sam, Mike, cardona507, Stevef, +1.617.324.aacc, kliehm, Michael_Cooper, Julian, [Microsoft], Matt_May, mjs,
17:45:53 <Zakim> ... +1.715.718.aaff, +1.715.718.aagg, li, Laura, Masinter
17:46:06 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
17:46:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/03-html-wg-minutes.html MichaelC
18:07:55 <MikeSmith> mjs: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Main_Page
18:07:56 <pimpbot> Title: Main Page - HTML WG Wiki (at www.w3.org)
18:08:21 <mjs> MikeSmith: woot!
18:08:44 <mjs> MikeSmith: do you know if MediaWiki supports templates like we had on the ESW wiki?
18:08:56 <MikeSmith> yeah, it does
18:09:00 <MikeSmith> though I not sure how to do it
18:10:01 <MikeSmith> btw, I *think* the edit perms are automatically tied by LDAP to the actual W3C database
18:10:15 <MikeSmith> such that only members of the HTML WG can edit pages there
18:11:54 <hober> "W3C Accounts" means the login we use for pages on w3.org behind http auth?
18:12:08 <MikeSmith> hober: yep
18:12:23 <MikeSmith> same username and password
18:12:27 <MikeSmith> I believe
18:12:35 <MikeSmith> hober: btw, great posting
18:12:38 <MikeSmith> on your blog
18:12:42 <MikeSmith> the most recent one
18:12:50 <hober> hmmm. going to http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ doesn't work.
18:12:51 <hober> oh, thanks.
18:13:06 <hober> it was languishing in my drafts folder for a long time, mostly-done
18:14:27 <MikeSmith> I don't know if you saw, but I added your blog to the Planet HTML5 aggregation a while back
18:14:45 <MikeSmith> yeah, I don't know why http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki doesn't work
18:15:16 <MikeSmith> but I think I can just add a redirect myself to make it redirect to the main page
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18:25:52 <MikeSmith> myakura: http://www.w3.org/html/ig/jp/wiki/
18:25:53 <pimpbot> Title: Main Page - HTML5 JP IG (at www.w3.org)
18:25:57 <MikeSmith> for JPIG5
18:26:15 <MikeSmith> that one is currently editable by anybody with a W3C account
18:26:33 <Dashiva> JPIG seems like a name asking for puns
18:26:47 <MikeSmith> yeah, that's why I like it
18:26:57 <MikeSmith> we need a pig character as a mascot
18:27:08 <Dashiva> And it should be a .jpg
18:27:25 <MikeSmith> true that too
18:27:50 <MikeSmith> we can make a pig the circled 5 symbol
18:28:02 <MikeSmith> *pig with the
18:28:10 <Dashiva> Like a branding mark
18:28:26 <MikeSmith> yeah, branded pig
18:28:40 <hober> MikeSmith: speaking of planet html5, I could provide you a feed of just my posts tagged html5 if you'd like
18:28:42 <MikeSmith> smoking a peace pipe
18:29:58 <MikeSmith> hober: that would be good, though maybe not worth the trouble if you've not set it up already. Because I have a filter that just causes any posts that don't have the string HTML5 or "HTML 5" in them to just be ignored
18:30:41 <hober> ahh. ok then
18:31:28 <myakura> MikeSmith: goody! thanks a lot!
18:33:07 <MikeSmith> 日本語でどうぞ
18:33:13 <myakura> :)
18:33:31 <MikeSmith> I've not tried adding content in Japanese to any of our MediaWiki instances
18:33:43 <MikeSmith> but I assume there should be no problems
18:35:26 <MikeSmith> myakura: btw, thanks seriously a lot for doing the interpreter stuff today
18:35:36 <MikeSmith> I hope it didn't put you on the spot
18:35:48 <MikeSmith> but you rock mightily at thinking on your feett
18:35:50 <MikeSmith> feet
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18:36:26 <plh> does the jpig5 folks need an irc channel btw?
18:36:43 <MikeSmith> plh: we did not decide on one yet
18:37:32 <plh> btw, selectors api is an other draft for your list I think
18:37:34 <MikeSmith> myakura: sorry about dropping "full duplex" without a heads-up.. but I don't think most people have any idea what it means in English anyway
18:37:42 <plh> the webapps are trying to move it to CR
18:37:43 <myakura> MikeSmith: my pleasure. to me it was quite interesting talk.
18:37:44 <MikeSmith> plh: yeah, good point
18:38:09 <MikeSmith> myakura: I think I should just say "fully bidirectional network communication"
18:38:13 <MikeSmith> or something
18:38:14 <MikeSmith> isntead
18:38:32 <MikeSmith> plh: understood
18:39:01 <MikeSmith> so it would be a good time to get the JPIG a heads-up about it too
18:39:09 <MikeSmith> and see what feedback we might collect
18:39:40 <MikeSmith> myakura: maybe a message about Selectors API to the list?
18:40:28 <plh> or wait until the cr is published?
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18:40:42 <MikeSmith> or we could do that, yeah
18:40:46 <plh> current draft is one year old.
18:41:01 <MikeSmith> holy mackerel
18:41:09 <MikeSmith> didn't realize it'd be that long
18:41:41 <myakura> "W3C Working Draft 14 November 2008" wow.
18:42:03 <MikeSmith> blast from the past
18:42:36 <plh> you need to remove the dust before starting reading it :)
18:43:34 <plh> though the new version won't have significant changes in it
18:43:51 <plh> only 2 editorial updates in fact
18:45:20 <MikeSmith> so it is in a state of near-perfection
18:45:39 <plh> indeed
18:45:48 <MikeSmith> OK, http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ now redirects properly as well
18:45:49 <pimpbot> Title: Main Page - HTML WG Wiki (at www.w3.org)
18:46:15 <myakura> think I did the translation (a year ago), so jpig5 folks could read it in detail.
18:46:35 <MikeSmith> that would be good
18:52:25 <pimpbot> planet: Take Five with HTML5: Device Orientation & Geolocation on the Nokia N900 <11http://missmobile.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/take-five-with-html5-device-orientation-geolocation-on-the-nokia-n900/> 4** How to add mime-type for <video> element on Firefox ? <11http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1841711/how-to-add-mime-type-for-video-element-on-firefox>
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