IRC log of html-wg on 2009-12-03

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RRSAgent, make logs public

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Zakim, this will be HTML

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ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started

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Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference

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Date: 03 December 2009

16:59:03 [dsinger_]

zakim, mute dsinger

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dsinger should now be muted

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+Gregory_Rosmaita

16:59:20 [cardona507]

zakim, mute cardona507

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sorry, cardona507, I do not know which phone connection belongs to cardona507

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- +1.831.454.aaaa

16:59:48 [dsinger_]

zakim, who is here?

16:59:48 [Zakim]

On the phone I see dsinger (muted), Rich, Gregory_Rosmaita

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On IRC I see janina, Zakim, RRSAgent, richardschwerdtfe, dsinger_, Stevef, MichaelC, cardona507, myakura, mjs, Laura, LeifHS, oedipus, aroben, miketaylr, kliehm, MikeSmith, gavin,

16:59:53 [janina]

zakim, call janina

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... tlr, tH, JoePeck, ROBOd, trackbot, Julian, karl, dsinger, krijnh, shepazu, anne, Yudai, gavin_, hsivonen, Dashiva, jmb, inimino, syp, pimpbot, hober, jgraham, matt, Hixie,

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... gsnedders, Philip, CIA-1, ed_work, xover

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ok, janina; the call is being made

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+Janina

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+Sam

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17:00:40 [MikeSmith]

Zakim, call Mike-Mobile

17:00:40 [Zakim]

ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made

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+Mike

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+[IPcaller]

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+ +1.831.454.aabb

17:01:10 [cardona507]

zakim, +1.831.454.aabb is me

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+cardona507; got it

17:01:11 [Stevef]

zakim, [IPcaller] is me

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+Stevef; got it

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+ +1.617.324.aacc

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+kliehm

17:01:17 [cardona507]

zakim, mute me

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cardona507 should now be muted

17:01:22 [MichaelC]

zakim, aacc is Michael_Cooper

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+Michael_Cooper; got it

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+ +49.251.280.aadd

17:02:53 [Julian]

Zakim, +49.251.280.aadd is me

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+Julian; got it

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+[Microsoft]

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+Matt_May

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+ +1.415.595.aaee

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-[Microsoft]

17:04:31 [mjs]

Zakim, +1.415.595.aaee is me

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+mjs; got it

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+ +1.715.718.aaff

17:05:12 [mjs]

ny volunteers to scribe?

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- +1.715.718.aaff

17:05:37 [rubys1]

zakim, pick a script

17:05:38 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'pick a script', rubys1

17:05:43 [mjs]

Zakim, choose victim

17:05:43 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'choose victim', mjs

17:05:46 [rubys1]

zakim, pick a scribe

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Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Michael_Cooper

17:05:49 [oedipus]

zakim, victim?

17:05:49 [Zakim]

I don't understand your question, oedipus.

17:06:18 [MichaelC]

scribe: MichaelC

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trackbot, start meeting

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RRSAgent, make logs public

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Zakim, this will be HTML

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ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started

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Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference

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Date: 03 December 2009

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zakim, unmute dsinger

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dsinger should no longer be muted

17:07:18 [MichaelC]

agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2009OctDec/0019.html

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Title: {agenda} HTML WG telcon 2009-12-3: issues, action items, calls for consensus/proposals, task force reports from Maciej Stachowiak on 2009-12-02 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from October to December 2009) (at lists.w3.org)

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chair: Maciej_Stachowiak

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zakim, mute dsinger

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dsinger should now be muted

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trackbot: close ACTION-130

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ACTION-130 Review status of video codec positions closed

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topic: Review of due and overdue action items

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+ +1.715.718.aagg

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ACTION-130 done

17:09:25 [Laura]

img Element Change Proposal

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http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/ChangeProposals/ImgElement20091203

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ACTION-131: Change proposal sent http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Dec/0101.html

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ACTION-131 Draft ALT spec notes added

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Title: HTML/ChangeProposals/ImgElement20091203 - ESW Wiki (at esw.w3.org)

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Title: change proposal:modification to section 4.8.2.1 the img element from Steven Faulkner on 2009-12-03 (public-html@w3.org from December 2009) (at lists.w3.org)

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sf: <summarizes>

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trackbot: close ACTION-131

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ACTION-131 Draft ALT spec closed

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ms: can close action now that proposal posted

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ACTION-138 still ongoing

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+li

17:11:11 [MichaelC]

sf: Discussed matrix in A11Y TF just before this call

17:11:21 [Laura]

Zakim, aagg is me

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+Laura; got it

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+[Microsoft]

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actively working on in TF

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ms: timeline to completion?

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sf: Today was first discussion in TF, not sure of timeline

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perhaps 1 month? should coordinate with A11Y TF facilitators

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http://www.w3.org/2009/12/03-html-a11y-minutes.html

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Title: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference -- 03 Dec 2009 (at www.w3.org)

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MikeS: Planning to discuss over next week in A11Y TF

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could give an update next week, though it probably won't be complete then

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Maciej: this has bumped week to week for months, would prefer to have a single deadline

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Gregory: Task force just starting...

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Janina: Early-mid January is earliest feasible time

17:14:34 [MichaelC]

MikeS: January 14 2010

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SteveF: much work already done, some ready for review now

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Maciej: helpful to post what you have as soon as possible

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know some issues in play that good to discuss

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updating due date of action

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ACTION-158 not complete yet

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SteveF: action from TPAC, haven't gotten to yet

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need extra time to work on some things, and also want to bring to A11Y TF

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+Masinter

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Maciej: deadline?

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SteveF: 31 December 2010

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topic: Review of submitted change proposals

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17:19:33 [cardona507]

i have a question

17:19:38 [MichaelC]

==ISSUE-4 (html-versioning)==

17:19:41 [cardona507]

I am on mute so I will type

17:20:01 [cardona507]

i am kind of unlclear - is <!doctype html> stll ok?

17:20:09 [masinter]

yes

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and recommended in most situations

17:20:19 [cardona507]

thanks larry

17:20:23 [Zakim]

+[Apple]

17:20:31 [dsinger]

zakim, [apple] has dsinger

17:20:31 [Zakim]

+dsinger; got it

17:20:36 [MichaelC]

Maciej: change proposal makes versioning optional but not mandatory, so yes to above question

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-dsinger

17:20:55 [MichaelC]

==ISSUE-30 (longdesc)==

17:21:19 [MichaelC]

Maciej: Charles submitted a change proposal a while back

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makes longdesc nonconforming but optional

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==ISSUE-32 (table-summary)==

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Maciej: Cynthia posted a proposal with a number of changes

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chairs have given structural feedback, expect revision soon

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==ISSUE-56 (urls-webarch)==

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Maciej: Proposal to change normative references

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some discussion has taken place

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speaker1: Suggest people join IRI mailing list to help resolve some of the issues

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==ISSUE-76 (Microdata/RDFa)==

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s/speaker1/Larry/

17:24:22 [MichaelC]

Maciej: Proposal was to publish separate draft

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now there's a propsal to retain within HTML

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there's been discussion on the mailing list

17:24:41 [oedipus]

my phone is dying - will rejoin soon

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-Gregory_Rosmaita

17:24:47 [Julian]

q+

17:25:09 [MichaelC]

speaker2: Was proposal to move to separate draft, or just remove altogether?

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Maciej: Proposal was to move to external document but not remove altogether

17:25:37 [MichaelC]

==ISSUE-83 (dt-dd-semantics)==

17:26:07 [MichaelC]

Maciej: Proposal to not use dt/dd for <figure>

17:26:17 [MichaelC]

proposed a new element in place

17:26:23 [MichaelC]

chairs have sent structural feedback

17:26:40 [mjs]

http://dev.w3.org/html5/status/issue-status.html

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Title: Change Proposal Status (at dev.w3.org)

17:27:15 [MichaelC]

Maciej: above link shows status is change proposals in play

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probably won't go through individually each week

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just new ones going forward

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q-

17:27:47 [MichaelC]

speaker3: What are next steps?

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s/speaker3/Julian/

17:28:27 [MichaelC]

Maciej: chairs to review level of consensus and strength of arguments

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help decide which ones to advance

17:29:01 [MichaelC]

Julian: What is a change proposal that proposes not doing anything?

17:29:27 [MichaelC]

Maciej: Originated with ones in response to editor action on a bug entry

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Julian: Would there be counter-proposals for each proposal?

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Maciej: We might expect this

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s/Julian/Larry/ (in the last two lines)

17:30:49 [MichaelC]

Larry: Is this part of the documented decision process

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s/Julian: Would/Larry: Would/

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s/Julian: What/Larry: What/

17:31:27 [Zakim]

-Mike

17:31:35 [MikeSmith]

Zakim, call Mike-Mobile

17:31:35 [Zakim]

ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made

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+Mike

17:31:46 [MichaelC]

Maciej: <scribe missed>, but let's take questions offline

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topic: Review of Chair calls for consensus / proposals

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==ISSUE-7 (video-codecs)==

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If we don't receive change proposal by today (3 Dec) will close issue without prejudice

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speaker4: There was a proposal to move video element to a separate document

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Maciej: haven't yet received a formal change proposal on that

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people can submit if they want, by end of today

17:33:42 [Laura]

Change Proposal Template: http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/ChangeProposalTemplate

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Title: HTML/ChangeProposalTemplate - ESW Wiki (at esw.w3.org)

17:34:12 [MichaelC]

speaker4: thought that would be a way to resolve the codec issue on a different schedule from the rest of HTML

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==ISSUE-63 (origin-req-scope)==

17:34:51 [MichaelC]

Maciej: due today 3 Dec, will close without prejudice if no change proposal received

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==ISSUE-76 (Microdata/RDFa) counter-proposals==

17:35:13 [MichaelC]

maciej: received one counter-proposal yesterday

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==ISSUE-1 (PINGPOST)==

17:35:39 [MichaelC]

Maciej: Need change proposals by 17 Dec

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==ISSUE-2 (PINGUI)==

17:35:57 [MichaelC]

Maciej: Need change proposals by 17 Dec

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==ISSUE-27 (rel-ownership)==

17:36:10 [MichaelC]

Maciej: Need change proposals by 17 Dec

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Paul Cotton has volunteered to submit one

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==ISSUE-87 (attr-normalization)==

17:36:34 [MichaelC]

Maciej: Need change proposals by 17 Dec

17:36:44 [MichaelC]

==ISSUE-88 (content-language-multiple)==

17:37:04 [MichaelC]

Maciej: Leif Halvard Silli has volunteered to submit a proposal by 17 Jan 2010

17:37:15 [MichaelC]

that's more than a month but the holidays intervene

17:37:33 [MichaelC]

If you care about the issues above, please take action by the deadlines

17:37:46 [MichaelC]

speaker4: Clarify closed without prejudice?

17:38:03 [Julian]

s/speaker4: Clarify/Larry: Clarify/

17:38:05 [MichaelC]

Maciej: Will close in Tracker, and won't consider the issue a blocker for advancement to LC

17:38:25 [MichaelC]

if a proposal later comes in, it can be considered

17:39:02 [MichaelC]

we need a clear proposal and rationale

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chairs will not try to dig up old discussions

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topic: New issues this week

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Maciej: none we know of

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topic: Status of task forces

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==HTML Accessibility Task Force==

17:40:03 [MichaelC]

Janina: First teleconference was today

17:40:08 [MichaelC]

started out mostly procedural

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then started scoping issues to review first

17:40:25 [MichaelC]

taking ARIA integration / mapping issues first

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(relates to Steve's action discussed earlier)

17:40:45 [MichaelC]

taking 24 and 31 Dec 2009 meetings off

17:40:51 [MichaelC]

mailing list is active on a few issues

17:40:57 [MichaelC]

video sub-group is forming

17:41:22 [MichaelC]

issues and possible solutions were covered in a pre-meeting before TPAC

17:41:37 [Stevef]

q+

17:41:39 [MichaelC]

==Testing Task Force==

17:41:53 [MichaelC]

Chris: Mailing list active

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starting a teleconference slot

17:42:16 [MichaelC]

q+ to ask about timezone and date of meeting?

17:42:35 [MichaelC]

planning to come back in early Jan with some preliminary activity

17:42:41 [MichaelC]

meeting is 8am next week

17:43:05 [MichaelC]

<scribe missed timezone and day of week>

17:43:08 [MichaelC]

q-

17:43:13 [masinter]

regrets next week -- during TAG meeting

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topic: Scribe for next week

17:43:27 [MichaelC]

<the usual resounding silence>

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topic: Other business

17:43:51 [Stevef]

http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/80

17:43:52 [pimpbot]

Title: ISSUE-80 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)

17:44:08 [MichaelC]

Steve: how do we hold issues open that are being actively open?

17:44:29 [MichaelC]

Maciej: when a change proposal comes in, move issue and associated issues to open status

17:44:39 [krisk]

HTML Testing Task Force Conf Call -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2009Dec/0001.html

17:44:41 [pimpbot]

Title: RE: Testing Task Force Conf Call from Kris Krueger on 2009-12-03 (public-html-testsuite@w3.org from December 2009) (at lists.w3.org)

17:44:51 [MichaelC]

s/Chris:/Kris:/

17:45:10 [Zakim]

-Janina

17:45:11 [Zakim]

-mjs

17:45:11 [Zakim]

-Mike

17:45:12 [Laura]

bye

17:45:12 [Zakim]

-li

17:45:12 [Zakim]

-[Apple]

17:45:13 [Zakim]

-Julian

17:45:13 [Zakim]

-Matt_May

17:45:16 [Zakim]

-Michael_Cooper

17:45:20 [Zakim]

-Masinter

17:45:23 [Zakim]

-cardona507

17:45:28 [Zakim]

-Sam

17:45:32 [Zakim]

-Stevef

17:45:34 [Zakim]

-kliehm

17:45:35 [Zakim]

-[Microsoft]

17:45:37 [Zakim]

-Laura

17:45:47 [Zakim]

-Rich

17:45:49 [Zakim]

HTML_WG()12:00PM has ended

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Attendees were +1.831.454.aaaa, dsinger, Rich, Gregory_Rosmaita, Janina, Sam, Mike, cardona507, Stevef, +1.617.324.aacc, kliehm, Michael_Cooper, Julian, [Microsoft], Matt_May, mjs,

17:45:53 [Zakim]

... +1.715.718.aaff, +1.715.718.aagg, li, Laura, Masinter

17:46:06 [MichaelC]

rrsagent, make minutes

17:46:06 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/12/03-html-wg-minutes.html MichaelC

18:07:55 [MikeSmith]

mjs: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/Main_Page

18:07:56 [pimpbot]

Title: Main Page - HTML WG Wiki (at www.w3.org)

18:08:21 [mjs]

MikeSmith: woot!

18:08:44 [mjs]

MikeSmith: do you know if MediaWiki supports templates like we had on the ESW wiki?

18:08:56 [MikeSmith]

yeah, it does

18:09:00 [MikeSmith]

though I not sure how to do it

18:10:01 [MikeSmith]

btw, I *think* the edit perms are automatically tied by LDAP to the actual W3C database

18:10:15 [MikeSmith]

such that only members of the HTML WG can edit pages there

18:11:54 [hober]

"W3C Accounts" means the login we use for pages on w3.org behind http auth?

18:12:08 [MikeSmith]

hober: yep

18:12:23 [MikeSmith]

same username and password

18:12:27 [MikeSmith]

I believe

18:12:35 [MikeSmith]

hober: btw, great posting

18:12:38 [MikeSmith]

on your blog

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the most recent one

18:12:50 [hober]

hmmm. going to http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ doesn't work.

18:12:51 [hober]

oh, thanks.

18:13:06 [hober]

it was languishing in my drafts folder for a long time, mostly-done

18:14:27 [MikeSmith]

I don't know if you saw, but I added your blog to the Planet HTML5 aggregation a while back

18:14:45 [MikeSmith]

yeah, I don't know why http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki doesn't work

18:15:16 [MikeSmith]

but I think I can just add a redirect myself to make it redirect to the main page

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18:25:52 [MikeSmith]

myakura: http://www.w3.org/html/ig/jp/wiki/

18:25:53 [pimpbot]

Title: Main Page - HTML5 JP IG (at www.w3.org)

18:25:57 [MikeSmith]

for JPIG5

18:26:15 [MikeSmith]

that one is currently editable by anybody with a W3C account

18:26:33 [Dashiva]

JPIG seems like a name asking for puns

18:26:47 [MikeSmith]

yeah, that's why I like it

18:26:57 [MikeSmith]

we need a pig character as a mascot

18:27:08 [Dashiva]

And it should be a .jpg

18:27:25 [MikeSmith]

true that too

18:27:50 [MikeSmith]

we can make a pig the circled 5 symbol

18:28:02 [MikeSmith]

*pig with the

18:28:10 [Dashiva]

Like a branding mark

18:28:26 [MikeSmith]

yeah, branded pig

18:28:40 [hober]

MikeSmith: speaking of planet html5, I could provide you a feed of just my posts tagged html5 if you'd like

18:28:42 [MikeSmith]

smoking a peace pipe

18:29:58 [MikeSmith]

hober: that would be good, though maybe not worth the trouble if you've not set it up already. Because I have a filter that just causes any posts that don't have the string HTML5 or "HTML 5" in them to just be ignored

18:30:41 [hober]

ahh. ok then

18:31:28 [myakura]

MikeSmith: goody! thanks a lot!

18:33:07 [MikeSmith]

日本語でどうぞ

18:33:13 [myakura]

:)

18:33:31 [MikeSmith]

I've not tried adding content in Japanese to any of our MediaWiki instances

18:33:43 [MikeSmith]

but I assume there should be no problems

18:35:26 [MikeSmith]

myakura: btw, thanks seriously a lot for doing the interpreter stuff today

18:35:36 [MikeSmith]

I hope it didn't put you on the spot

18:35:48 [MikeSmith]

but you rock mightily at thinking on your feett

18:35:50 [MikeSmith]

feet

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18:36:26 [plh]

does the jpig5 folks need an irc channel btw?

18:36:43 [MikeSmith]

plh: we did not decide on one yet

18:37:32 [plh]

btw, selectors api is an other draft for your list I think

18:37:34 [MikeSmith]

myakura: sorry about dropping "full duplex" without a heads-up.. but I don't think most people have any idea what it means in English anyway

18:37:42 [plh]

the webapps are trying to move it to CR

18:37:43 [myakura]

MikeSmith: my pleasure. to me it was quite interesting talk.

18:37:44 [MikeSmith]

plh: yeah, good point

18:38:09 [MikeSmith]

myakura: I think I should just say "fully bidirectional network communication"

18:38:13 [MikeSmith]

or something

18:38:14 [MikeSmith]

isntead

18:38:32 [MikeSmith]

plh: understood

18:39:01 [MikeSmith]

so it would be a good time to get the JPIG a heads-up about it too

18:39:09 [MikeSmith]

and see what feedback we might collect

18:39:40 [MikeSmith]

myakura: maybe a message about Selectors API to the list?

18:40:28 [plh]

or wait until the cr is published?

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18:40:42 [MikeSmith]

or we could do that, yeah

18:40:46 [plh]

current draft is one year old.

18:41:01 [MikeSmith]

holy mackerel

18:41:09 [MikeSmith]

didn't realize it'd be that long

18:41:41 [myakura]

"W3C Working Draft 14 November 2008" wow.

18:42:03 [MikeSmith]

blast from the past

18:42:36 [plh]

you need to remove the dust before starting reading it :)

18:43:34 [plh]

though the new version won't have significant changes in it

18:43:51 [plh]

only 2 editorial updates in fact

18:45:20 [MikeSmith]

so it is in a state of near-perfection

18:45:39 [plh]

indeed

18:45:48 [MikeSmith]

OK, http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ now redirects properly as well

18:45:49 [pimpbot]

Title: Main Page - HTML WG Wiki (at www.w3.org)

18:46:15 [myakura]

think I did the translation (a year ago), so jpig5 folks could read it in detail.

18:46:35 [MikeSmith]

that would be good

18:52:25 [pimpbot]

planet: Take Five with HTML5: Device Orientation & Geolocation on the Nokia N900 <11http://missmobile.wordpress.com/2009/12/03/take-five-with-html5-device-orientation-geolocation-on-the-nokia-n900/> 4** How to add mime-type for <video> element on Firefox ? <11http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1841711/how-to-add-mime-type-for-video-element-on-firefox>

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