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15:45:39 <ssahoo2> Meeting: Provenance XG
15:46:01 <ssahoo2> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-prov/2009Nov/0032.html
15:46:16 <ssahoo2> Scribe: ssahoo2
15:46:40 <ssahoo2> Chair: Yolanda Gil
15:48:03 <ssahoo2> trackbot, start telecon
15:48:05 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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15:48:07 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 98765
15:48:07 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see INC_PROVXG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 12 minutes
15:48:08 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Incubator Group Teleconference
15:48:08 <trackbot> Date: 20 November 2009
15:49:47 <ssahoo2> nick satya
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15:50:56 <Zakim> INC_PROVXG()11:00AM has now started
15:51:03 <Zakim> + +1.614.764.aaaa
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15:52:28 <michaelp> zakim, who is on the phone
15:52:28 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', michaelp
15:52:47 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:52:48 <michaelp> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:52:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.614.764.aaaa, [IPcaller]
15:53:27 <Zakim> +Jerry_Hobbs
15:53:28 <michaelp> zakim, +1.614.764.aaaa is really me
15:53:29 <Zakim> +michaelp; got it
15:53:49 <michaelp> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:53:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see michaelp, [IPcaller], Jerry_Hobbs
15:53:52 <ssahoo2> zakim, [IPcaller] is satya
15:53:52 <Zakim> +satya; got it
15:54:00 <YolandaG> Zakim, Jerry_Hobbs is really me
15:54:00 <Zakim> +YolandaG; got it
15:55:15 <olaf> olaf has joined #prov-xg
15:56:08 <Zakim> + +358.504.83aabb
15:56:26 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:56:49 <pgroth> pgroth has joined #prov-xg
15:57:07 <Irini> Irini has joined #prov-xg
15:57:09 <smiles> smiles has joined #prov-xg
15:57:21 <pgroth> zakim, who is here?
15:57:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see michaelp, satya, YolandaG, +358.504.83aabb, [IPcaller]
15:57:23 <Zakim> On IRC I see smiles, Irini, pgroth, olaf, YolandaG, jcheney, Zakim, ssahoo2, RRSAgent, cgi-irc, michaelp, trackbot, raphael, ivan
15:57:34 <cgi-irc> +358.504 is me (Ian Oliver)
15:57:45 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
15:57:45 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
15:57:45 <pgroth> Zakim, [IPcaller] is pgorth
15:57:47 <Zakim> +pgorth; got it
15:57:47 <Zakim> +Ivan
15:57:53 <Zakim> +??P14
15:57:57 <pgroth> zakim, pgorth is pgroth
15:57:57 <Zakim> +pgroth; got it
15:58:02 <pgroth> who is here
15:58:07 <pgroth> zakim, who is here
15:58:07 <Zakim> pgroth, you need to end that query with '?'
15:58:10 <Zakim> + +030281139aacc
15:58:11 <smiles> ??P14 is really me
15:58:16 <pgroth> zakim, who is here?
15:58:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see michaelp, satya, YolandaG, +358.504.83aabb, pgroth, Ivan, ??P14, +030281139aacc
15:58:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see smiles, Irini, pgroth, olaf, YolandaG, jcheney, Zakim, ssahoo2, RRSAgent, michaelp, trackbot, raphael, ivan
15:58:33 <smiles> zakim, ??P14 is really smiles
15:58:33 <Zakim> +smiles; got it
15:58:45 <Irini> +030281139aacc is Irini
15:59:08 <afreitas> afreitas has joined #prov-xg
15:59:29 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
15:59:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see michaelp, satya, YolandaG, +358.504.83aabb, pgroth, Ivan, smiles, +030281139aacc
15:59:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see afreitas, smiles, Irini, pgroth, olaf, YolandaG, jcheney, Zakim, ssahoo2, RRSAgent, michaelp, trackbot, raphael, ivan
15:59:44 <ioliver> ioliver has joined #prov-xg
16:00:01 <Zakim> + +49.308.937.aadd
16:00:20 <Zakim> +??P17
16:00:35 <Paolo> Paolo has joined #prov-xg
16:00:41 <olaf> zakim, aadd is olaf
16:00:46 <Zakim> +olaf; got it
16:00:48 <ssahoo2> zakim, ssahoo2 is satya
16:00:49 <Zakim> + +7.968.81.aaee
16:00:52 <Zakim> sorry, ssahoo2, I do not recognize a party named 'ssahoo2'
16:00:55 <Zakim> + +1.860.995.aaff
16:01:02 <Irini> zakim, +030281139aacc is Irini
16:01:02 <Zakim> +Irini; got it
16:01:49 <Zakim> +??P20
16:02:04 <Paolo> zakim, +??P20 is Paolo
16:02:04 <Zakim> sorry, Paolo, I do not recognize a party named '+??P20'
16:02:16 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
16:02:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see michaelp, satya, YolandaG, +358.504.83aabb, pgroth, Ivan, smiles, Irini, olaf, ??P17, +7.968.81.aaee, +1.860.995.aaff, ??P20
16:02:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see Paolo, ioliver, afreitas, smiles, Irini, pgroth, olaf, YolandaG, jcheney, Zakim, ssahoo2, RRSAgent, michaelp, trackbot, raphael, ivan
16:02:20 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:02:28 <ivan> zakim, ??P20 is Paolo
16:02:28 <Zakim> +Paolo; got it
16:02:29 <Zakim> +??P22
16:02:32 <Zakim> -Irini
16:02:41 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
16:02:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see michaelp, satya, YolandaG, +358.504.83aabb, pgroth, Ivan, smiles, olaf, ??P17, +7.968.81.aaee, +1.860.995.aaff, Paolo, [IPcaller], ??P22
16:02:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see Paolo, ioliver, afreitas, smiles, Irini, pgroth, olaf, YolandaG, jcheney, Zakim, ssahoo2, RRSAgent, michaelp, trackbot, raphael, ivan
16:02:49 <ssahoo2> Yolanda: Agenda item: organization of use case
16:02:55 <jun> jun has joined #prov-xg
16:02:58 <ioliver> q+
16:03:03 <jcheney> zakim, ??22 is jcheney
16:03:10 <Zakim> sorry, jcheney, I do not recognize a party named '??22'
16:03:13 <ssahoo2> Paolo: finalizing collection of bibliography
16:03:21 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aagg
16:03:21 <jcheney> zakim, ??P22 is jcheney
16:03:24 <Zakim> +jcheney; got it
16:03:29 <michaelp> q+
16:03:35 <ssahoo2> Yolanda: introduction of new participants
16:03:40 <ivan> ack ioliver
16:03:41 <Zakim> +Irini
16:03:49 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
16:03:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see michaelp, satya, YolandaG, +358.504.83aabb, pgroth, Ivan, smiles, olaf, ??P17, +7.968.81.aaee, +1.860.995.aaff, Paolo (muted), [IPcaller], jcheney,
16:03:54 <Zakim> ... +1.518.276.aagg, Irini
16:03:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see jun, Paolo, ioliver, afreitas, smiles, Irini, pgroth, olaf, YolandaG, jcheney, Zakim, ssahoo2, RRSAgent, michaelp, trackbot, raphael, ivan
16:04:15 <ssahoo2> Olivier: how two RDF graphs can be related to each other?
16:04:37 <Zakim> +??P10
16:04:39 <ssahoo2> Olivier: Extend notion of RDF molecules to track provenance
16:04:44 <Deborah> Deborah has joined #prov-xg
16:04:55 <ssahoo2> Olivier: How provenance is represented, used
16:04:57 <ivan> q?
16:05:06 <ivan> ack michaelp
16:05:09 <ioliver> I'm not "new" to the group, I was here at the beginning :-)
16:05:20 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
16:05:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see michaelp, satya, YolandaG, +358.504.83aabb, pgroth, Ivan, smiles, olaf, ??P17, +7.968.81.aaee, +1.860.995.aaff, Paolo (muted), [IPcaller], jcheney,
16:05:23 <Zakim> ... +1.518.276.aagg, Irini, ??P10
16:05:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see Deborah, jun, Paolo, ioliver, afreitas, smiles, Irini, pgroth, olaf, YolandaG, jcheney, Zakim, ssahoo2, RRSAgent, michaelp, trackbot, raphael, ivan
16:05:24 <Deborah> 5182764404 is Deborah McGuinness and Paulo Pinheiro da Silva today
16:05:25 <Aleksey> Aleksey has joined #prov-xg
16:05:26 <Zakim> +raphael
16:05:51 <ivan> zakim, aabb is Deb
16:05:51 <Zakim> +Deb; got it
16:05:57 <jun> zakim, ??p10 is jun
16:05:57 <Zakim> +jun; got it
16:05:59 <ivan> zakim, Deb has Paulo
16:05:59 <Zakim> +Paulo; got it
16:06:06 <Luc2> Luc2 has joined #prov-xg
16:06:07 <ivan> zakim, who is here
16:06:07 <Zakim> ivan, you need to end that query with '?'
16:06:10 <Zakim> -Irini
16:06:13 <ssahoo2> Michael: interest in linked data scenario
16:06:15 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
16:06:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see michaelp, satya, YolandaG, Deb, pgroth, Ivan, smiles, olaf, ??P17, +7.968.81.aaee, +1.860.995.aaff, Paolo (muted), [IPcaller], jcheney, +1.518.276.aagg, jun,
16:06:18 <Zakim> ... raphael (muted)
16:06:18 <Zakim> Deb has Paulo
16:06:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see Luc2, Aleksey, Deborah, jun, Paolo, ioliver, afreitas, smiles, Irini, pgroth, olaf, YolandaG, jcheney, Zakim, ssahoo2, RRSAgent, michaelp, trackbot, raphael, ivan
16:06:40 <ssahoo2> Michael: keeping track of provenance at fine level of granularity
16:07:31 <ssahoo2> Michael: tracking provenance in bibliographic formats
16:07:33 <Zakim> + +1.609.936.aahh
16:07:51 <Zakim> +Anna_Doxastaki
16:08:29 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
16:08:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see michaelp, satya, YolandaG, Deb, pgroth, Ivan, smiles, olaf, ??P17, +7.968.81.aaee, +1.860.995.aaff, Paolo (muted), [IPcaller], jcheney, +1.518.276.aagg, jun,
16:08:32 <Zakim> ... raphael (muted), +1.609.936.aahh, Anna_Doxastaki
16:08:33 <Zakim> Deb has Paulo
16:08:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see Luc2, Aleksey, Deborah, jun, Paolo, ioliver, afreitas, smiles, Irini, pgroth, olaf, YolandaG, jcheney, Zakim, ssahoo2, RRSAgent, michaelp, trackbot, raphael, ivan
16:09:03 <ssahoo2> Mark: from metadata working group
16:09:49 <Irini> zakim, Anna_Doxastaki is Irini
16:09:49 <Zakim> +Irini; got it
16:10:54 <Deborah> jim mccusker
16:10:59 <ivan> zakim, aaff is mccusker
16:10:59 <Zakim> +mccusker; got it
16:11:05 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
16:11:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see michaelp, satya, YolandaG, Deb, pgroth, Ivan, smiles, olaf, ??P17, +7.968.81.aaee, mccusker, Paolo (muted), [IPcaller], jcheney, +1.518.276.aagg, jun, raphael
16:11:09 <Zakim> ... (muted), +1.609.936.aahh, Irini
16:11:09 <Zakim> Deb has Paulo
16:11:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see Luc2, Aleksey, Deborah, jun, Paolo, ioliver, afreitas, smiles, Irini, pgroth, olaf, YolandaG, jcheney, Zakim, ssahoo2, RRSAgent, michaelp, trackbot, raphael, ivan
16:11:21 <Zakim> -Irini
16:11:57 <Zakim> + +30281139aaii
16:12:09 <Aleksey> that should be me as well [IPcaller]
16:12:14 <Aleksey> not sure
16:12:16 <Irini> zakim, +30281139aaii is Irini
16:12:16 <Zakim> +Irini; got it
16:12:34 <ivan> zakim, [IPcaller] is aleksey
16:12:34 <Zakim> +aleksey; got it
16:12:44 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
16:12:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see michaelp, satya, YolandaG, Deb, pgroth, Ivan, smiles, olaf, ??P17, +7.968.81.aaee, mccusker, Paolo (muted), aleksey, jcheney, +1.518.276.aagg, jun, raphael
16:12:47 <Zakim> ... (muted), +1.609.936.aahh, Irini
16:12:47 <Zakim> Deb has Paulo
16:12:48 <Zakim> On IRC I see Luc2, Aleksey, Deborah, jun, Paolo, ioliver, afreitas, smiles, Irini, pgroth, olaf, YolandaG, jcheney, Zakim, ssahoo2, RRSAgent, michaelp, trackbot, raphael, ivan
16:13:06 <ssahoo2> Paul: organization of use cases along dimensions
16:13:15 <Paulo> Paulo has joined #prov-xg
16:13:43 <jun> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/Use_Cases#Use
16:13:44 <Paolo> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/Use_Cases
16:14:03 <ssahoo2> Paul: Dimensions for organizing the use case: three groupings
16:14:18 <ssahoo2> Paul: 1st category: What provenance represents
16:14:33 <Zakim> -Irini
16:15:03 <ssahoo2> Paul: 2nd category: rovenance management
16:15:12 <ivan> s/rovenance/provenance/
16:15:24 <ssahoo2> Paul:3rd category: use of provenance
16:15:32 <Zakim> +Irini
16:15:32 <Irini> zakim, Anna_Doxastaki is Irini
16:15:33 <Zakim> sorry, Irini, I do not recognize a party named 'Anna_Doxastaki'
16:16:42 <Zakim> +??P9
16:17:21 <Irini> zakim, Anna_Doxastaki is Irini
16:17:21 <Zakim> sorry, Irini, I do not recognize a party named 'Anna_Doxastaki'
16:17:30 <ssahoo2> Paul: each category for classifying use cases has further details at: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/Use_Cases
16:18:11 <JimM> JimM has joined #prov-xg
16:20:55 <ssahoo2> Paul: Dissemination control for provenance can include licensing information
16:23:21 <ssahoo2> Paul: use category for provenance includes trust computation from provenance information
16:23:38 <Irini> Irini has joined #prov-xg
16:24:06 <ssahoo2> Paul: use category for incomplete provenance or in presence of errors
16:24:18 <Paolo> q?
16:24:20 <Zakim> -pgroth
16:24:45 <Zakim> +??P13
16:25:13 <pgroth> zakim, +??P13 is pgroth
16:25:13 <Zakim> sorry, pgroth, I do not recognize a party named '+??P13'
16:25:24 <Paolo> q+
16:25:30 <pgroth> zakim, pgroth is +??P13
16:25:30 <Zakim> sorry, pgroth, I do not recognize a party named 'pgroth'
16:25:48 <ssahoo2> Yolanda: Deb, Luc, Yolanda and Paul participated in creating the categories
16:25:55 <smiles> q+
16:26:04 <pgroth> zakim, +??P13 is pgroth
16:26:04 <Zakim> sorry, pgroth, I do not recognize a party named '+??P13'
16:26:17 <ssahoo2> Paolo: agrees with categorization
16:26:38 <ssahoo2> Paolo: content is primary category to classify use cases
16:26:49 <michaelp> q+
16:26:51 <olaf> q+
16:27:05 <ivan> ack Paolo
16:27:07 <Paulo> q+
16:27:17 <Luc2> q+
16:27:40 <JimM> q+
16:27:48 <Deborah> q+ (i believe use cases fall in all categories)
16:28:12 <ivan> ack smiles
16:28:20 <jun> q+
16:28:21 <Paolo> yes I said content is the category that actually captures "use"
16:28:39 <pgroth> Zakim, who is here?
16:28:39 <pgroth> pgroth has left #prov-xg
16:28:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see michaelp, satya, YolandaG, Deb, Ivan, smiles, olaf, ??P17, +7.968.81.aaee, mccusker, Paolo (muted), aleksey, jcheney, +1.518.276.aagg, jun, raphael (muted),
16:28:43 <ssahoo2> Simon: use cases can be  easly classified using the categorization
16:28:43 <Zakim> ... +1.609.936.aahh, Irini, ??P9, ??P13
16:28:43 <Zakim> Deb has Paulo
16:28:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see Irini, JimM, Paulo, Luc2, Aleksey, Deborah, jun, Paolo, ioliver, afreitas, smiles, olaf, YolandaG, jcheney, Zakim, ssahoo2, RRSAgent, michaelp, trackbot, raphael, ivan
16:28:49 <Luc2> q-
16:28:54 <Zakim> -satya
16:30:03 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:30:11 <jun> q-
16:30:24 <ssahoo2> zakim, [IPCaller] is satya
16:30:24 <Zakim> +satya; got it
16:30:39 <pgroth_> pgroth_ has joined #prov-xg
16:30:52 <pgroth_> Zakim, who is here?
16:30:52 <Zakim> On the phone I see michaelp, YolandaG, Deb, Ivan, smiles, olaf, ??P17, +7.968.81.aaee, mccusker, Paolo (muted), aleksey, jcheney, +1.518.276.aagg, jun, raphael (muted),
16:30:55 <Zakim> ... +1.609.936.aahh, Irini, ??P9, ??P13, satya
16:30:55 <Zakim> Deb has Paulo
16:30:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see pgroth_, Irini, JimM, Paulo, Luc2, Aleksey, Deborah, jun, Paolo, ioliver, afreitas, smiles, olaf, YolandaG, jcheney, Zakim, ssahoo2, RRSAgent, michaelp, trackbot,
16:30:59 <Zakim> ... raphael, ivan
16:31:10 <pgroth_> Zakim, ??P13 is pgroth
16:31:10 <Zakim> +pgroth; got it
16:31:27 <YolandaG> q?
16:31:37 <ivan> ack michaelp
16:32:21 <ssahoo2> Michael: imperfection, interoperability can also be issues in provenance collection and not just use
16:32:45 <ssahoo2> Michael: where does this fit in persistence of provenance metadata
16:33:26 <ssahoo2> who is the speaker?
16:33:52 <smiles> olaf is the speaker i think
16:34:05 <olaf> yes that was me
16:34:22 <ssahoo2> olaf: please type in your question
16:34:50 <ssahoo2> Paul: Information quality is similar to trust
16:35:57 <olaf> q-
16:36:42 <ssahoo2> Paulo: quality of provenance can be used to understand results
16:37:04 <ssahoo2> Paulo: provenance as infrastructure
16:38:49 <ivan> ack paulo
16:38:52 <ivan> ack JimM
16:39:15 <ssahoo2> Jim: need for multi-level, multi-scale provenance
16:41:56 <ssahoo2> Luc: debugging should be added under use category
16:42:07 <Irini> Irini has left #prov-xg
16:42:54 <Zakim> -Irini
16:44:24 <Luc2> i think we want to say that the dimensions ARE NOT mutually exclusive
16:44:30 <pgroth_> agreed
16:44:41 <Deborah> +1
16:44:47 <pgroth_> and the use case illustrates a particular one
16:44:55 <YolandaG> q?
16:45:46 <ssahoo2> q+
16:46:49 <ssahoo2> Yolanda: classify use cases under the dimensions by participants
16:47:08 <YolandaG> zakim, who is here?
16:47:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see michaelp, YolandaG, Deb, Ivan, smiles, olaf, ??P17, +7.968.81.aaee, mccusker, Paolo (muted), aleksey, jcheney, +1.518.276.aagg, jun, raphael (muted),
16:47:12 <Zakim> ... +1.609.936.aahh, ??P9, pgroth, satya
16:47:12 <Zakim> Deb has Paulo
16:47:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see pgroth_, JimM, Luc2, Aleksey, Deborah, jun, Paolo, ioliver, afreitas, smiles, olaf, YolandaG, jcheney, Zakim, ssahoo2, RRSAgent, michaelp, trackbot, raphael, ivan
16:47:25 <JimM> ageed as well - I think a summary of my point is that I think it works pretty well as a matrix and one can ask if the matrix is full (each thing in Use has stuff in COntent and Management that link to it, each type of Content is needed for one or more things in Use, etc.)
16:48:04 <pgroth_> q+
16:48:22 <Aleksey> q+
16:48:48 <Paolo> q+
16:49:12 <JimM> allowing queries is a management use case
16:49:13 <Aleksey> sorry, I can’t speak, I’ll type the question: should fraud provenance be also managed under the imperfections category?
16:49:13 <pgroth_> q-
16:49:15 <michaelp> q+
16:49:17 <ssahoo2> ack ssahoo
16:49:28 <pgroth_> what is fraud provenance?
16:49:42 <Aleksey> attempts to fraud
16:50:31 <pgroth_> agreed that it should go under imperfections
16:50:36 <JimM> I think agency (versus attribution of who's reporting) is a needed type of Content and a Content use case (different agents reporting different parts of provenance) that will also be important in trust and other uses
16:50:43 <ssahoo2> Paul: fraud provenance under imperfections
16:51:07 <JimM> sorry - multiple witnesses reporting that multiple agents were responsible for multiple parts of the trail
16:51:33 <ssahoo2> Paolo: access is a means to an end
16:52:34 <ssahoo2> Michael: distinguish regular metadata from provenance metadata
16:53:20 <ssahoo2> Paul: attribution is who created the article
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16:53:56 <JimM> q?
16:54:03 <Aleksey> q-
16:54:33 <JimM> the author of a NYTimes article is an agent which is a separate concept frm who reports/witnesses it
16:54:48 <JimM> q+
16:55:02 <ssahoo2> q+
16:55:26 <ssahoo2> Jim: need both agent and witness
16:56:15 <paulo> paulo has joined #prov-xg
16:56:45 <ssahoo2> Jim: connection between provenance and general metadata
16:57:36 <ssahoo2> Yolanda: Use cases can include some dimensions as primary and others as secondary
16:58:25 <JimM> there is an inference possible between 'general metadata' and provenance that often confuses our discussion - we might need to agree that talking about things like dc:creator are shorthand for the provenance-relevant fact that the author was an agent in cotrol of a writing process,etc.
16:58:35 <ssahoo2> Paolo: created a google mail account for bibliography and a mendeley account owned by gmail account
16:58:59 <ssahoo2> Paolo: interested users can mail Paolo for account information
16:59:37 <Deborah> Next IPAW announcement will come out before next meeting - June 15-16 with hackathon preceding on monday june 14 and provenance challenge planning following on thurs
16:59:44 <Deborah> q+
16:59:55 <raphael> Yes, but we might have a member mailing list
17:00:06 <ssahoo2> ack ssahoo2
17:00:08 <JimM> q-
17:00:49 <ssahoo2> q-
17:01:11 <Paolo> q-
17:01:23 <Zakim> -Deb
17:01:42 <pgroth_> cool deb... going for the hackathon
17:01:50 <ssahoo2> Deborah: IPAW annoucement next week
17:02:12 <ssahoo2> Deborah: possible F2F at RPI
17:02:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/11/20-prov-xg-minutes.html raphael
17:02:45 <Zakim> -YolandaG
17:02:46 <Zakim> -pgroth
17:02:46 <Zakim> - +1.609.936.aahh
17:02:47 <Zakim> -Paolo
17:02:47 <Zakim> -mccusker
17:02:48 <pgroth_> pgroth_ has left #prov-xg
17:02:48 <Zakim> -??P9
17:02:48 <Zakim> -jun
17:02:49 <Zakim> -olaf
17:02:52 <Zakim> -raphael
17:02:53 <Zakim> -Ivan
17:02:55 <Zakim> -jcheney
17:02:57 <Zakim> -??P17
17:02:59 <Zakim> - +7.968.81.aaee
17:03:02 <Zakim> - +1.518.276.aagg
17:03:03 <Zakim> -smiles
17:03:05 <Zakim> -michaelp
17:03:09 <jmccuske> jmccuske has left #prov-xg
17:03:10 <Zakim> -aleksey
17:03:44 <Zakim> -satya
17:03:45 <Zakim> INC_PROVXG()11:00AM has ended
17:03:46 <Zakim> Attendees were michaelp, satya, YolandaG, +358.504.83aabb, Ivan, pgroth, smiles, +49.308.937.aadd, olaf, +7.968.81.aaee, +1.860.995.aaff, Irini, Paolo, +1.518.276.aagg, jcheney,
17:03:51 <Zakim> ... raphael, jun, Paulo, +1.609.936.aahh, mccusker, aleksey
17:04:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/11/20-prov-xg-minutes.html raphael
17:04:43 <michaelp> I agree with JimM think there is a general distinction between "regular" metadata and provenace metadata. One might lead to the inference of the other, but those two levels of description statements about entities have to be kept seperate.
17:04:54 <raphael> Present:  michaelp, satya, YolandaG, +358.504.83aabb, Ivan, pgroth, smiles, +49.308.937.aadd, olaf, +7.968.81.aaee, +1.860.995.aaff, Irini, Paolo, +1.518.276.aagg, jcheney,  raphael, jun, Paulo, +1.609.936.aahh, mccusker, aleksey
17:04:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/11/20-prov-xg-minutes.html raphael
17:05:32 <raphael> Scribenik: ssahoo2
17:05:36 <raphael> Scribe: Satya
17:05:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/11/20-prov-xg-minutes.html raphael
17:06:05 <raphael> zakim, bye
17:06:05 <Zakim> Zakim has left #prov-xg
17:06:11 <raphael> RRSAgent, bye
17:06:11 <RRSAgent> I see no action items