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17:44:06 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
17:44:08 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_UAWG
17:44:09 <trackbot> Meeting: User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
17:44:09 <trackbot> Date: 19 November 2009
17:44:15 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #ua
17:56:20 <AllanJ> chair: Jim_allan
17:56:39 <AllanJ> Regrets: Kelly_Ford
17:59:14 <jeanne> jeanne has joined #ua
17:59:44 <AllanJ> Agenda+ Logistics (Regrets, agenda requests, comments)?
17:59:45 <AllanJ> Agenda+ Writing more techniques in Guideline 4
18:02:59 <KimPatch> KimPatch has joined #ua
18:03:48 <sharper> sharper has joined #ua
18:04:07 <sharper> zakim, code?
18:04:07 <Zakim> sorry, sharper, I don't know what conference this is
18:09:08 <AllanJ> agenda+ definition of UA http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2009OctDec/0012.html
18:09:51 <AllanJ> regrets:+ Henny_Swan
18:10:12 <AllanJ> regrets+ Henny_Swan
18:10:19 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
18:10:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/11/19-ua-minutes.html jeanne
18:10:46 <AllanJ> scribe: allanj
18:10:54 <jeanne> regrets- +
18:11:03 <jeanne> zakim, pick a victim
18:11:03 <Zakim> sorry, jeanne, I don't know what conference this is
18:11:10 <jeanne> trackbot, start meeting
18:11:12 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
18:11:14 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_UAWG
18:11:14 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see WAI_UAWG()1:00PM already started
18:11:15 <trackbot> Meeting: User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
18:11:15 <trackbot> Date: 19 November 2009
18:11:46 <jeanne> zakim, pick a victim
18:11:46 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose [IPcaller]
18:11:59 <jeanne> zakim, who is here?
18:11:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller], Jeanne, +1.512.206.aaaa, ??P11, +1.617.325.aabb
18:12:01 <Zakim> On IRC I see sharper, KimPatch, jeanne, Zakim, RRSAgent, AllanJ, mhakkinen, trackbot
18:12:20 <jeanne> zakim, aabb is really Kim
18:12:20 <Zakim> +Kim; got it
18:12:36 <jeanne> zakim, aaaa is really AllanJ
18:12:36 <Zakim> +AllanJ; got it
18:12:38 <AllanJ> zakim, IPcaller is really MHT
18:12:38 <Zakim> +MHT; got it
18:12:47 <jeanne> zakim, who is here?
18:12:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see MHT, Jeanne, AllanJ, ??P11, Kim
18:12:48 <Zakim> On IRC I see sharper, KimPatch, jeanne, Zakim, RRSAgent, AllanJ, mhakkinen, trackbot
18:13:02 <AllanJ> zakim, MHT is really mhakkinen
18:13:02 <Zakim> +mhakkinen; got it
18:13:07 <sharper> zakim, ??P11 is sharper
18:13:07 <Zakim> +sharper; got it
18:13:19 <jeanne> zakim, who is here?
18:13:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see mhakkinen, Jeanne, AllanJ, sharper, Kim
18:13:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see sharper, KimPatch, jeanne, Zakim, RRSAgent, AllanJ, mhakkinen, trackbot
18:13:27 <AllanJ> zakim, open item 2
18:13:27 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Writing more techniques in Guideline 4" taken up [from AllanJ]
18:13:33 <jeanne> present+ mhakkinen, Jeanne, AllanJ, sharper, Kim
18:15:15 <AllanJ> http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2009/ED-IMPLEMENTING-UAAG20-20091106/MasterUAAG20091106.html 
18:16:36 <AllanJ> explains working on techniques document
18:16:52 <AllanJ> SH: are we done with guidelines
18:17:02 <AllanJ> JA: no
18:17:48 <AllanJ> JS: useful to help clarify and restructure guidelines
18:20:13 <AllanJ> KP: process - google dox work well for collaboration
18:21:07 <AllanJ> MH: skype has same functionality
18:23:25 <AllanJ> individual and group techniques-- 	Review 4.1 individual Success Criteria
18:23:26 <AllanJ> 	Review 4.5 group Success Criteria
18:25:04 <AllanJ> JA: MH and JA work on 4.9
18:28:04 <AllanJ> KP and SH work on 4.2.2 and 4.4
18:29:43 <AllanJ> action: JA and MH to create techniques for 4.9 by December 3
18:29:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-247 - And MH to create techniques for 4.9 by December 3 [on Jim Allan - due 2009-11-26].
18:31:26 <AllanJ> action: Kim and SH to create techniques for 4.2.2 and 4.4 due 2009-12-3
18:31:26 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Kim
18:31:40 <AllanJ> action: KimPatch and SH to create techniques for 4.2.2 and 4.4 due 2009-12-3
18:31:40 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - KimPatch
18:31:53 <AllanJ> action: KP and SH to create techniques for 4.2.2 and 4.4 due 2009-12-3
18:31:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-248 - And SH to create techniques for 4.2.2 and 4.4 due 2009-12-3 [on Kimberly Patch - due 2009-11-26].
18:32:35 <AllanJ> topic: Proposal 4.9.6 Playback Rate Adjustment for Multimedia Content.
18:32:42 <AllanJ> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20091118/results
18:33:02 <AllanJ> MH: ...
18:33:37 <AllanJ> ... include slowdown and speedup for audio and video
18:34:31 <AllanJ> ... guidelines in DAISY requirements, should UA provide same functionality
18:35:03 <AllanJ> ... Proposed: 
18:35:09 <AllanJ> 4.9.6 Playback Rate Adjustment for Multimedia Content. The user can adjust playback rate of prerecorded content containing speech audio tracks such that all of the following are true (Level A):
18:35:11 <AllanJ> - The playback rate should be user adjustable between 1/3 and 3 times real time of the recorded content.
18:35:13 <AllanJ> - Recorded speech, whose playback rate has been adjusted by the user, should utilize pitch maintenance in order to avoid degradation of the speech quality.
18:35:14 <AllanJ> If only a visual track is present, provide at least one setting between 40% and 60% of the original speed. (Level A)
18:35:16 <AllanJ> When audio and video tracks are expected to be synchronized, synchronization is maintained as long as they are played at 75% of the original speed or higher. (Level A)
18:35:17 <AllanJ> The UA should provide a function that resets the playback rate to normal (1x). (Level A) 
18:35:36 <AllanJ> ... discussion on the list
18:35:59 <AllanJ> ... not happy with the 1/3 to 3x
18:36:11 <AllanJ> KP: neutral, seems on the right track
18:37:34 <AllanJ> MH: daisy synch across speed range. easier to maintain synch at slower speed
18:38:57 <AllanJ> ... need skim feature, speedup to be in range of intelligibility
18:39:55 <AllanJ> ...use aging, cog. disabled for slow down, and speech for speedup
18:40:52 <AllanJ> ---HTML5-a11y will have discussion on hierarchical navigation through audio and visual playback rate.
18:41:57 <AllanJ> SH these seem to overlap 33-300, 40-80 
18:42:22 <AllanJ> SH: maintain synch 33-3000?
18:42:50 <AllanJ> MH: may loose some video info at high speed
18:43:12 <AllanJ> ... need to investigate where rates come from, empirical data
18:44:04 <AllanJ> JA: only 'speech audio', how is the player/UA to know when something is speech or just sound? are there 'speech ' attributes?
18:44:06 <AllanJ> should be 'audio'
18:46:59 <AllanJ> action: JA and MH to rework 4.9.6 to tease out audio from speech, and fine tune rates
18:46:59 <trackbot> Created ACTION-249 - And MH to rework 4.9.6 to tease out audio from speech, and fine tune rates [on Jim Allan - due 2009-11-26].
18:50:02 <AllanJ> MH: Looking for research. 
18:50:44 <AllanJ> ...Psychophysics, U of Colorado
18:52:15 <Zakim> -Kim
18:52:18 <Zakim> -AllanJ
18:52:20 <Zakim> -mhakkinen
18:52:30 <Zakim> -sharper
18:52:32 <Zakim> -Jeanne
18:52:34 <Zakim> WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has ended
18:52:35 <Zakim> Attendees were Jeanne, +1.512.206.aaaa, +1.617.325.aabb, Kim, AllanJ, mhakkinen, sharper
18:53:53 <AllanJ> rrsagent, make minutes
18:53:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/11/19-ua-minutes.html AllanJ
18:54:07 <AllanJ> zakim, please part
18:54:07 <Zakim> Zakim has left #ua
18:54:24 <AllanJ> rrsagent, draft minutes
18:54:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/11/19-ua-minutes.html AllanJ
18:55:01 <AllanJ> rrsagent, please part
18:55:01 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/11/19-ua-actions.rdf :
18:55:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: JA and MH to create techniques for 4.9 by December 3 [1]
18:55:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/11/19-ua-irc#T18-29-43
18:55:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Kim and SH to create techniques for 4.2.2 and 4.4 due 2009-12-3 [2]
18:55:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/11/19-ua-irc#T18-31-26
18:55:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: KimPatch and SH to create techniques for 4.2.2 and 4.4 due 2009-12-3 [3]
18:55:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/11/19-ua-irc#T18-31-40
18:55:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: KP and SH to create techniques for 4.2.2 and 4.4 due 2009-12-3 [4]
18:55:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/11/19-ua-irc#T18-31-53
18:55:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: JA and MH to rework 4.9.6 to tease out audio from speech, and fine tune rates [5]
18:55:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/11/19-ua-irc#T18-46-59