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20:00:04 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be SVGIG
20:00:04 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see GA_SVGIG()3:00PM already started
20:00:05 <trackbot> Meeting: SVG Interest Group Teleconference
20:00:05 <trackbot> Date: 16 November 2009
20:00:21 <Zakim> +Shepazu
20:00:42 <Zakim> + +1.713.851.aabb
20:01:01 <Zakim> + +31.74.349.aacc
20:01:24 <Zakim> + +1.724.636.aadd
20:01:38 <stelt> ++31 is me
20:01:50 <gwadej> zakim, aabb is gwadej
20:01:50 <Zakim> +gwadej; got it
20:02:21 <Zakim> + +1.519.966.aaee
20:02:40 <Rob_Russell> zakin, aaee is Rob_Russell
20:02:51 <Zakim> +Andreas_Neumann
20:02:54 <Rob_Russell> zakim, aaee is Rob_Russell
20:02:55 <Zakim> +Rob_Russell; got it
20:03:39 <HelderMagalhaes> Zakim, who's here?
20:03:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P0, +1.847.797.aaaa, Shepazu, gwadej, +31.74.349.aacc, +1.724.636.aadd, Rob_Russell, Andreas_Neumann
20:03:41 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, an, Rob_Russell, stelt, gwadej, HelderMagalhaes, codedread, jwatt, shepazu, trackbot
20:05:21 <HelderMagalhaes> scribe HelderMagalhaes
20:05:29 <codedread> scribenick: HelderMegalhaes
20:05:40 <HelderMagalhaes> scribenick HelderMagalhaes
20:06:52 <codedread> Introduction for HelderM: enthusiast involved with SVG, working with SVG every day
20:07:12 <codedread> presented an article at last year's conference, SVG for diagramming
20:07:31 <codedread> follow on svg-developers, svg ig
20:07:39 <codedread> would like to start some libraries involving SVG
20:08:12 <HelderMagalhaes> codedread: agenda: DDaileys's book
20:08:43 <HelderMagalhaes> codedread: where can we put the book, related stuff
20:09:18 <HelderMagalhaes> shepazu: setting up the CVS repository
20:10:05 <HelderMagalhaes> shepazu: only helder and codedread have replied
20:10:39 <HelderMagalhaes> gwadej: trying to generate the public key
20:11:11 <HelderMagalhaes> shepazu: who wants CVS access needs to email me
20:11:16 <ddailey> ddailey has joined #svgig
20:12:04 <HelderMagalhaes> shepazu: username comes from the SVGIG, the public key must be sent to me
20:12:30 <HelderMagalhaes> codedread: is it already on CVS
20:12:36 <HelderMagalhaes> shepazu: it's there for a while
20:12:56 <HelderMagalhaes> codedread: we need to start breaking the document, accepting patches, etc..
20:13:15 <HelderMagalhaes> ddailey: there were emails back in June with revisions...
20:13:45 <HelderMagalhaes> ddailey: volunteer to ressurect emails about book revisions
20:15:13 <HelderMagalhaes> codedread: need new chapter
20:15:33 <HelderMagalhaes> ddailey: new stuff: chrome, safari, new changes in browsers
20:15:50 <HelderMagalhaes> gwadej: need the CVS in order to check for new stuff
20:16:11 <HelderMagalhaes> ddailey: version at ddailey site and W3C are currently the same
20:17:20 <HelderMagalhaes> mute me
20:18:10 <HelderMagalhaes> codedread: need to pick a chapter to review
20:18:28 <HelderMagalhaes> Rob_Russell: I'm on chapter 7
20:18:52 <HelderMagalhaes> codedread: need to resume call every two weeks
20:19:05 <HelderMagalhaes> ddailey: need to validate book's HTML
20:19:39 <Rob_Russell> woops, just dug up the old email, it was Chapter V - Dynamic SVG and JavaScript i committed to
20:19:56 <HelderMagalhaes> ddailey: there is a number of file things who were tweaked to look well in all browsers
20:20:31 <HelderMagalhaes> ddailey: code looks worse in the W3C's version
20:21:19 <HelderMagalhaes> shepazu: book stuff should go into the mailing list
20:21:37 <HelderMagalhaes> codedread: agreed, let's move forward.
20:21:45 <HelderMagalhaes> topic: torture tests
20:22:04 <codedread> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/IG/wiki/Torture
20:22:20 <codedread> http://code.google.com/p/svgtorture/
20:22:39 <HelderMagalhaes> Zakim, please mute me
20:22:39 <Zakim> sorry, HelderMagalhaes, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
20:23:16 <HelderMagalhaes> shepazu: torture tests for over a year. need to start making them
20:23:48 <HelderMagalhaes> codedread: try to break implementations?
20:24:22 <HelderMagalhaes> codedread: if microsoft comes with an implementation in IE9, how should we try to test it?
20:24:41 <HelderMagalhaes> shepazu: but we already know about the problem in existing implementations
20:24:54 <HelderMagalhaes> shepazu: we should hit those tests
20:25:50 <HelderMagalhaes> shepazu: we've seen some rumous about IE into SVG, but those are just that. We need to work with existing, real implementations
20:26:00 <HelderMagalhaes> ddailey: they should be minimal examples
20:26:28 <HelderMagalhaes> shepazu: the Acid tests may be good as agregations
20:26:41 <HelderMagalhaes> codedread: startup with individual tests
20:27:04 <HelderMagalhaes> codedread: let's start with simple, pass/fail tests
20:27:36 <HelderMagalhaes> shepazu: let's get together next week, maybe one hour earlier
20:27:57 <HelderMagalhaes> HelderMagalhaes: to create tests?
20:28:15 <HelderMagalhaes> codedread: yeah, maybe to start making some tests
20:28:51 <HelderMagalhaes> HelderMagalhaes: I'll try to attend
20:29:12 <HelderMagalhaes> codedread: we'll try to make a pool for the torture meeting
20:29:27 <HelderMagalhaes> Rob_Russell: me too
20:29:43 <HelderMagalhaes> an: I'm interested too
20:29:54 <ddailey> David is interested too
20:30:01 <HelderMagalhaes> (not Rob_Russell, ddailey)
20:30:30 <HelderMagalhaes> shepazu: must go to the SVGWG meeting, anything else?
20:30:50 <Zakim> -Shepazu
20:30:52 <HelderMagalhaes> codedread: something with andreas, nothing special
20:31:09 <HelderMagalhaes> topic: SVG Open 2010
20:31:30 <HelderMagalhaes> an: possbly in Paris, September
20:32:09 <HelderMagalhaes> ddailey: second week would be better, first couple of weeks is usually to the semester startup
20:32:41 <HelderMagalhaes> an: but the organizer said it needed to be before the semester startup
20:33:04 <HelderMagalhaes> codedread: I'd be interested in reviewing again
20:33:45 <HelderMagalhaes> gwadej: review too
20:33:57 <HelderMagalhaes> ddailey: interested in reviewing too
20:35:02 <HelderMagalhaes> an: 2009 conference ended up with some financial issues, need to make some pression to end up a few pending things 
20:35:32 <HelderMagalhaes> an: need to finish everything by the end of the year
20:35:58 <HelderMagalhaes> codedread: it could be useful to keep the LLC to other conferences...?
20:36:14 <HelderMagalhaes> an: maybe...
20:36:27 <HelderMagalhaes> topic: vector effects
20:36:48 <HelderMagalhaes> an: interesting to organize a meeting, about 10 people
20:37:29 <HelderMagalhaes> an: not just vector, marker effects as well
20:37:44 <HelderMagalhaes> an: wonder how many would be interested...?
20:38:16 <HelderMagalhaes> HelderMagalhaes: where? is it a proposal?
20:38:53 <HelderMagalhaes> an: not yet, just putting up a few ideas, I'm open to ideas. I could host it in Switzerland, but it could also be in UK or other places
20:39:14 <HelderMagalhaes> ddailey: problem is also the budget issue, travel worldwide expenses... 
20:40:02 <HelderMagalhaes> an: ideas would be implementable in a couple yearrs
20:40:29 <HelderMagalhaes> an: idea would be helping implementors
20:40:52 <HelderMagalhaes> HelderMagalhaes: to make implementation easier/quicker?
20:41:06 <codedread> :)
20:41:08 <codedread> you're doing fine
20:42:21 <HelderMagalhaes> (ok, guess I'm a little better now)
20:43:00 <HelderMagalhaes> an: SVG layout issues
20:43:30 <HelderMagalhaes> an: variables spec.
20:43:37 <stelt> layout as in heycam's work?
20:44:17 <HelderMagalhaes> ddailey: maybe in the mailing list it would be better to put up a few ideas
20:44:32 <HelderMagalhaes> an: yeah, it would be better as well
20:44:57 <stelt> an, stream the meeting
20:45:06 <HelderMagalhaes> HelderMagalhaes: start a topic in the mailing list?
20:45:14 <HelderMagalhaes> codedread: yeah, that would do
20:45:58 <HelderMagalhaes> codedread: ending up, need to start meeting more regularly
20:46:06 <codedread> rrsagent, make minutes
20:46:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/11/16-svgig-minutes.html codedread
20:47:19 <HelderMagalhaes> codedread: thanks everyone
20:47:22 <Zakim> -gwadej
20:47:23 <Zakim> - +31.74.349.aacc
20:47:23 <Zakim> - +1.724.636.aadd
20:47:24 <Zakim> - +1.847.797.aaaa
20:47:24 <Zakim> -Andreas_Neumann
20:47:25 <HelderMagalhaes> HelderMagalhaes: bye
20:47:27 <Zakim> -Rob_Russell
20:47:37 <Zakim> -??P0
20:47:38 <Zakim> GA_SVGIG()3:00PM has ended
20:47:40 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.847.797.aaaa, Shepazu, +1.713.851.aabb, +31.74.349.aacc, +1.724.636.aadd, gwadej, +1.519.966.aaee, Andreas_Neumann, Rob_Russell
20:48:05 <gwadej> rssagent, draft minutes
20:48:15 <HelderMagalhaes> me too, I had a lot of connection breaks... :-|
20:48:28 <gwadej> rssagent, make log public
20:48:58 <HelderMagalhaes> not having the time to learns the Zakim foo also didn't help. Apparently my keystrokes were passing to the teleconference... :-D + :-(
20:50:32 <gwadej> gwadej has left #svgig
20:51:20 <HelderMagalhaes> codedread: did you receive my email about joining the svgtorture project?
20:53:46 <HelderMagalhaes> (BRB)
20:54:39 <codedread> ah, Helder - sorry
20:54:43 <codedread> too many tabs :)
20:55:25 <codedread> you know - i can't seem to find that
20:55:47 <codedread> i can add you as a committer to the project righ tnow
20:55:53 <codedread> just need to know the email address i should use for you
20:56:06 <codedread> is helder.magalhaes@gmail.com ok?
21:00:55 <codedread> ok, added your gmail as a committer
21:01:04 <codedread> also put in a couple subdirectories and readme files to start things off
21:01:07 <codedread> maybe i'll add one test
21:01:46 <HelderMagalhaes> ok, thanks. either that or my username, heldermagalhaes
21:02:29 <HelderMagalhaes> sounds good, I'll also crawl through my SVG tests and see if there's something interesting to commit
21:26:46 <HelderMagalhaes> humm... still no minutes. something missing maybe?
21:35:28 <codedread> ok, added first test! :)
21:36:12 <codedread> http://svgtorture.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/unsorted/scientific-notation.svg
21:36:16 <codedread> yeah, i don't know
21:36:28 <codedread> shepazu - when you have some moments, can you help us debug why the minutes were not created?
21:36:42 <codedread> (published)
21:46:16 <HelderMagalhaes> niiice, I like those :-)
21:48:15 <shepazu> trackbot, end telcon
21:48:15 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
21:48:15 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
21:48:16 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
21:48:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/11/16-svgig-minutes.html trackbot
21:48:17 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
21:48:17 <RRSAgent> I see no action items