IRC log of wam on 2009-10-29

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Scribe: Art

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Chair: Art

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Meeting: Widgets Voice Conf

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Date: 29 October 2009

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009OctDec/0399.html

14:01:20 [Bryan]

"conference is restricted at this time:

14:01:45 [Bryan]

code 9231 is not accepted

14:01:54 [Bryan]

capiche?

14:02:05 [ArtB]

shepazu, HELP!

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14:03:01 [fh]

zakim, who is here?

14:03:01 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Art_Barstow, fh

14:03:02 [Zakim]

On IRC I see drogersuk, marcin, RRSAgent, JereK, Zakim, fh, Bryan, ArtB, chaals, shepazu, trackbot

14:03:22 [marcin]

Present+ Marcin_Hanclik

14:03:46 [ArtB]

Topic: how to have a meeting with IRC only

14:03:50 [drogersuk]

can't get into the conference call at the moment..

14:04:07 [ArtB]

AB: the bridge isn't working so we will use IRC only for this short meeting

14:04:09 [marcin]

aah, Zakim

14:04:20 [ArtB]

Topic: Review and tweak agenda

14:04:26 [ArtB]

AB: draft agenda was published yesterday ( http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009OctDec/0399.html ). Since then Marcos closed 4a, and 4b. so they will be dropped.

14:04:32 [ArtB]

AB: additionally, Marcos regrets for today means we will postpone 4c to next week's f2f meeting. Result is, we won't discuss P&C spec today.

14:04:45 [ArtB]

AB: any other change requests for the Agenda?

14:05:23 [ArtB]

AB: re the TWI and WARP parts of the agenda - we will only discuss the topics for next week; we will NOT do a deep dive for any of the topics

14:05:29 [Bryan]

can we make the bridge work?

14:05:36 [ArtB]

AB: anyone have any questions before the next topic?

14:05:51 [ArtB]

Topic: Announcements

14:05:56 [drogersuk]

you can use the OMTP bridge if you want?

14:05:57 [ArtB]

AB: does anyone have any short announcements?

14:06:13 [ArtB]

AB: no, we are going to just use IRC today but thanks for the offer

14:06:31 [ArtB]

Present: Art, Frederick, Jere, David, Marcin

14:06:40 [Bryan]

+bryan

14:06:47 [ArtB]

Present+ Bryan

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14:07:03 [ArtB]

Present+ Josh

14:07:12 [ArtB]

Topic: Planning for Nov 2-3 f2f meeting

14:07:18 [ArtB]

AB: I made a few changes to the agenda ( http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/TPAC2009Widgets) earlier today. Some specs will not be on the agenda: DigSig, URI, Updates and VM-I.

14:07:29 [ArtB]

AB: any comments on f2f agenda?

14:07:50 [drogersuk]

I think we need to discuss the security guidelines

14:07:57 [drogersuk]

e.g. for viewmodes

14:08:06 [ArtB]

AB: VM-MF is on the agenda

14:08:14 [ArtB]

... we can add Security Guidelines

14:08:24 [ArtB]

... it will be Monday 16:30-18:00 slot

14:08:25 [drogersuk]

sorry I'm struggling to keep up with all these acronyms

14:08:26 [marcin]

ok

14:08:39 [JereK]

Nice of you to leave slots for people to catch up other overlapping WGs, thanks

14:08:48 [ArtB]

AB: thanks Jere

14:08:53 [ArtB]

AB: David, OK?

14:09:17 [ArtB]

ACTION: barstow add security guidelines to the topic list for Monday 16:30-18:00 time slot on Nov 2

14:09:17 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-430 - Add security guidelines to the topic list for Monday 16:30-18:00 time slot on Nov 2 [on Arthur Barstow - due 2009-11-05].

14:09:31 [drogersuk]

Thanks Art

14:09:33 [ArtB]

AB: any other general comments on the agenda?

14:09:48 [ArtB]

AB: we will discuss topic list for TWI and WARP as separate topics today

14:10:08 [ArtB]

AB: last call for general comments on Nov 2-3 agenda ...

14:11:01 [ArtB]

AB: it's unfortunate in some ways there are so many overlapping meetings but it does have the advantage we can meet f2f with other groups

14:11:12 [fh]

link to agenda is where?

14:11:18 [ArtB]

AB: in the long run, I think the advantages outweigh

14:11:33 [ArtB]

AB: here http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/TPAC2009Widgets#Monday.2C_November_2

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14:12:01 [arve]

did the pin change?

14:12:02 [ArtB]

AB: re bridge for remote participants, Arve made his requests. Are there any other requests?

14:12:22 [arve]

I tried calling in on my way here, but "this conference has been restricted"

14:12:31 [arve]

oki, suits me perfectly :D

14:12:43 [ArtB]

AB: consider this your last chance to ask for bridge requests for Nov 2-3

14:12:59 [ArtB]

AB: besides Arve, any other bridge requests?

14:13:06 [ArtB]

[ None ]

14:13:11 [ArtB]

Topic: TWI spec: topic list for f2f meeting

14:13:15 [fh]

note, DAP should have a bridge for the joint meeting times

14:13:18 [ArtB]

AB: the topic list for the TWI spec is at ( http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/TPAC2009Widgets#The_widget_Interface_.28TWI.29_spec ). Any comments, additions, deletions?

14:13:40 [ArtB]

AB: please look at the TWI topic list for next week

14:13:59 [ArtB]

AB: any change requests for TWI?

14:15:18 [arve]

ArtB: none from me

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AB: ready to move on to next topic which is WARP topic list for f2f meeting ...

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Topic: WARP spec: topic list for f2f meeting

14:16:23 [ArtB]

AB: WARP is the only topic in the DAP + Widgets joint meeting

14:16:40 [arve]

I don't see uPnP as being worthy of special-casing

14:16:44 [JereK]

What about the various File APIs?

14:16:49 [ArtB]

AB: WARP topic list is: http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/TPAC2009Widgets#Access_Requests_Policy_.28WARP.29_spec

14:17:05 [fh]

any expertise on HTML5 in webapps wg for discussion in join session?

14:17:08 [ArtB]

AB: JK, there is a separate DAP + WebApps API joint meeting

14:17:10 [marcin]

arve: why not?

14:17:13 [JereK]

Oh sorry, that's for Web APIs side. Please disregard my remark about File APIs.

14:17:21 [ArtB]

... and in that meeting there is both File API and Web Notifications

14:17:23 [fh]

s/join/joint

14:17:24 [arve]

marcin: is it any more relevant than any other local traffic?

14:17:58 [ArtB]

AB: let's not deep dive today on WARP topics

14:18:12 [arve]

marcin: I won't be sitting in on that session @TPAC, but I'll leave my comments on mailing list instead

14:18:16 [ArtB]

... but please do feel free to send comments to public-webapps

14:18:22 [marcin]

arve: ok, I see. UPnP is local traffic + multicast. So it does not matter how we name. I agree then.

14:18:31 [drogersuk]

I agree with FH - it seems that the HTML5 / widget / DAP space is not clear

14:18:45 [marcin]

arve: ML is enough. I perceive TPAC as socializing mainly.

14:19:03 [Bryan]

I agree on the unclarity - I submitted a request to the WebApps API meeting to clarify.

14:19:41 [ArtB]

AB: DR, BS, FH - if something needs clarification, please elaborate on public-webapps

14:19:43 [ArtB]

... OK?

14:19:44 [fh]

I simply want to make sure I understand HTML5 security policy and can have more than one conversation to do so.

14:19:54 [drogersuk]

If we can get a general agreement on direction, it would be a good message to put out externally

14:20:25 [Bryan]

But it seems like there is not so much interest in addressing my questions there, or maybe there won't be agenda time, I don't know. The API group does not seem to be much of a group, really.

14:20:35 [drogersuk]

I'm proposing a meeting item along with FH here

14:20:49 [drogersuk]

to answer that specific problem

14:21:09 [ArtB]

AB: DR, FH - if you want to propose a change to the Widgets agenda, please send your change request to public-webapps

14:21:24 [ArtB]

AB: FH, pleas ACK

14:21:30 [ArtB]

AB: DR, please ACK

14:21:38 [ArtB]

s/pleas ACK/please ACK/

14:21:46 [drogersuk]

Art, just to understand, do you agree with the point though?

14:21:58 [fh]

my suggestion was simply to discuss in joint DAP/WebApps session HTML5 security model, if discussion in WebApps API session is not enough

14:22:25 [ArtB]

AB: the term "DAP/WebApps" is too vague

14:22:37 [ArtB]

AB: DAP has two separate joint meetings with DAP

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... 1. DAP + Widgets

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... 2. DAP + WebApps' API group

14:23:44 [drogersuk]

It might be worth getting someone to do an architecture diagram to highlight the problem of overlaps - this is exactly the point, there is no distinct separation

14:23:53 [marcin]

if DAP, WebApp and HTML5 are the Web, then we need to discuss the "Web security model", probably including CORS.

14:24:04 [drogersuk]

we can't even agree which meeting should discuss it

14:24:55 [ArtB]

AB: please note that on Tues 15:30-16:30 there is a meeting of WebApps Widgets group + WebApps APIs group

14:25:04 [Bryan]

I think discussing the HTML5 security model is not the same as adopting it for DAP, or necessitate that.

14:25:15 [ArtB]

AB: perhaps you should propose topics for that time slot

14:25:35 [drogersuk]

Yes that might be the place to start it - is Ian Hickson there?

14:25:47 [Bryan]

I am open to discussion, but HTML5 is on its own track. API's are distinct and should be. My questions are mainly in the HTML5-exported API's in the Webapps group scope.

14:26:09 [ArtB]

AB: I don't know who will attend that meeting. I will be there and I presume Charles will be there

14:26:41 [Bryan]

I plan to attend any joint meetings.

14:26:59 [ArtB]

s/that meeting/that time slot/

14:27:23 [ArtB]

AB: DR, FH - again, please send agenda topics to public-webapps. OK?

14:27:56 [ArtB]

... same for everyone else

14:28:07 [ArtB]

AB: anything else on agendas for today?

14:28:12 [fh]

message sent

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Topic: AOB

14:28:50 [ArtB]

AB: no call on Nov 5; next call is Nov 12

14:28:53 [Bryan]

I think we need a protocol for IRC-only meetings!

14:29:04 [ArtB]

AB: anything else for today?

14:29:30 [ArtB]

AB: BS: I agree this isn't ideal

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AB: last call ...

14:29:53 [drogersuk]

The offer is always open if you have problems, you can use our dial-in

14:30:09 [ArtB]

AB: see you next week! Meeting Adjourned

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14:30:15 [fh]

goodbye, have a nice day

14:30:20 [arve]

goodbye

14:30:21 [Zakim]

-Art_Barstow

14:30:25 [marcin]

bye everyone

14:30:27 [Zakim]

-fh

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IA_WebApps(Widgets)9:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Art_Barstow, fh

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14:35:23 [ArtB]

s/AP has two separate joint meetings with DAP/AP has two separate joint meetings with WebApps/

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Regrets: Marcos

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zakim, by

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I don't understand 'by', ArtB

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I'm logging. I don't understand 'by', ArtB. Try /msg RRSAgent help

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rrsagent, bye

14:37:17 [RRSAgent]

I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/29-wam-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: barstow add security guidelines to the topic list for Monday 16:30-18:00 time slot on Nov 2 [1]

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