IRC log of dap on 2009-10-28

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/10/28-dap-irc

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RRSAgent, make logs world

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Zakim, this will be DAP

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I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot

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Meeting: Device APIs and Policy Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 28 October 2009

12:06:30 [fhirsch]

Regrets: Paddy_Byers, Kangchan_Lee, WonSuk_Lee

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action: paddy to review Policy Requirements editors draft, see http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/policy-reqs/

12:07:15 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-34 - Review Policy Requirements editors draft, see http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/policy-reqs/ [on Paddy Byers - due 2009-11-04].

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fhirsch has changed the topic to: DAP Teleconference, code 3279 Agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2009Oct/0231.html; please enter attendance with Present+ first_last , also please tell zakim who you are with akim, aaa is $irc_nicname

12:48:23 [fhirsch]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2009Oct/0231.html

12:49:47 [fhirsch]

Chair: Robin Berjon, Frederick Hirsch

12:52:14 [arve]

uh?

12:52:22 [arve]

this is 14.00 paris time, no?

12:52:29 [arve]

at least my three clocks say so

12:54:27 [arve]

and it's still, again according to my world clock 08.54 in Boston

12:56:21 [ilkka]

hmm? if the call start in 5 minutes it will be two hour earlier for me

12:56:40 [ilkka]

ok

12:56:49 [arve]

fhirsch: that was my point, darobin just announced to the mailing list that the call was starting now

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arve: yeah, take any TZ information I provide you with with the greatest level of doubt

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13:15:28 [darobin]

well, for folks in Europe, usual time minus one (but not minus two!)

13:16:00 [darobin]

mmmm, did my correction message not make it to the list?

13:16:55 [darobin]

damn, not in archives even though sent 20 min ago

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13:19:22 [ilkka]

darobin: I haven't received correction from you yet

13:21:37 [dom]

zakim, this will be DAP

13:21:37 [Zakim]

ok, dom; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 39 minutes

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UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started

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+marcos/arve

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-marcos/arve

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UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended

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Attendees were marcos/arve

13:50:09 [arve]

uh?

13:50:35 [maxf]

:)

13:51:19 [arve]

I did call in, but I didn't expect my hanging up would have that effect

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UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started

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+??P15

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+marengo

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Present+ Marco_Marengo

13:53:46 [fhirsch]

Present+ Frederick_Hirsch, Robin_Berjon

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+ +0472369aaaa

13:53:54 [marengo]

Zakim, mute me

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marengo should now be muted

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+Bryan_Sullivan

13:54:38 [maxf]

zakim, aaaa is me

13:54:38 [Zakim]

+maxf; got it

13:54:48 [maxf]

fhirsch: you didn't hear me then. Hmm

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that mute button...

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Present+ Max_Froumentin

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+ilkka

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Present+ Ilkka_Oksanen

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+ +1.604.685.aabb

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Present+ Dzung_Tran

13:58:27 [brianleroux]

Present+ Brian_Leroux

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+AnssiK

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+marcos/arve

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zakim, +marcos/arve is me

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sorry, arve, I do not recognize a party named '+marcos/arve'

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Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen

13:59:23 [brianleroux]

Brian LeRoux is in the 604

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Zakim, mute me

13:59:30 [Zakim]

sorry, arve, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

13:59:48 [arve]

zakim, who is here

13:59:48 [Zakim]

arve, you need to end that query with '?'

13:59:51 [arve]

zakim, who is here?

13:59:51 [Zakim]

On the phone I see fhirsch, marengo (muted), maxf, Bryan_Sullivan (muted), ilkka, +1.604.685.aabb, AnssiK (muted), marcos/arve

13:59:55 [Zakim]

On IRC I see Dzung_Tran, brianleroux, AnssiK, fhirsch, marengo, maxf, arve, Bryan, hendry, darobin, Zakim, RRSAgent, ilkka, arg, trackbot, dom

14:00:02 [brianleroux]

Zakim, Brian_Leroux is brianleroux

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sorry, brianleroux, I do not recognize a party named 'Brian_Leroux'

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+Dom

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zarkim, marcos/arve is arve

14:00:18 [arve]

zakim, marcos/arve is arve

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+arve; got it

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+Dzung_Tran

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Present+ Dominique_Hazael_Massieux

14:00:25 [fhirsch]

zakim, aabb is brianleroux

14:00:27 [Zakim]

+brianleroux; got it

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zakim, mute me

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arve should now be muted

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zakim, mute me

14:00:40 [marcin]

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Dom should now be muted

14:00:40 [fhirsch]

me zakim, who is here?

14:00:47 [brianleroux]

ah, ok --- thx fhirsch

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+ +33.1.42.02.aacc

14:01:17 [darobin]

Present+ Robin_Berjon

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+JereK

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Present+ Jere_Kapyaho

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+Marcin

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+richt

14:02:19 [marcin]

Present+ Marcin_Hanclik

14:02:45 [darobin]

arve, can you scribe?

14:02:47 [arve]

Having tech problems here

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brianleroux, can you scribe?

14:03:24 [arve]

Zakim, unmute me

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arve should no longer be muted

14:03:40 [brianleroux]

hey sorry --- just back

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Present+ Richard_Tibbett

14:05:06 [arve]

zakim, mute me

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arve should now be muted

14:05:06 [brianleroux]

heh

14:05:28 [darobin]

Scribe: Brian LeRoux

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ScribeNick: brianleroux

14:07:08 [fhirsch]

q-

14:07:50 [fhirsch]

http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/Main_Page

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tpac agenda

14:08:05 [fhirsch]

http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/wiki/F2F_Agenda_2-3_November_2009%2C_TPAC

14:09:47 [brianleroux]

Topic: Welcome, etc. TPAC f2f needs the mailing list to raise as much as possible

14:10:20 [arve]

Zakim, unmute me

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arve should no longer be muted

14:11:52 [arve]

zakim, mute me

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arve should now be muted

14:11:56 [brianleroux]

Topic: minutes approval

14:12:08 [fhirsch]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2009Oct/att-0203/minutes-2009-10-21.html

14:12:23 [brianleroux]

Resolution: minutes from 21 oct approved

14:12:35 [brianleroux]

Topic: Editorial Team Report

14:13:02 [fhirsch]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2009Oct/0225.html (Frederick)

14:13:31 [fhirsch]

policy requirements update

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contacts api update

14:13:39 [dom]

-> http://www.w3.org/mid/355A518BC0575547B2A3D6773AAF8EEF598402@ftrdmel1 Update to contacts API from Richard

14:13:57 [fhirsch]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2009Oct/0230.html (Richard Tibbett)

14:14:00 [brianleroux]

richard: discussing how contacts api going async

14:14:39 [arve]

+1 for flexible

14:15:11 [maxf]

richard: main issue is strict or flexible definition of attributes. Also error handling

14:15:14 [brianleroux]

richard: mentioned that the attributes for contacts have three potential approaches that need resolving

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maxf: no! thank you!!

14:16:18 [dom]

ack me

14:16:49 [brianleroux]

dom: will be discussing api overlap at the f2f

14:16:56 [maxf]

q+

14:17:07 [dom]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-geolocation/2009Oct/0004.html Dom’s message to geolocation wg

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q?

14:17:52 [maxf]

yep, Mon/Tue

14:17:55 [fhirsch]

ack maxf

14:18:03 [brianleroux]

robin: will ensure they have the meetings in the hallways / nothing formal

14:18:28 [darobin]

I confirm that they're meeting at the same time as us

14:18:46 [darobin]

ACTION: Robin to make sure that there is some co-ordination between Geolocation and DAP over Compass

14:18:46 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-35 - Make sure that there is some co-ordination between Geolocation and DAP over Compass [on Robin Berjon - due 2009-11-04].

14:19:08 [maxf]

maxf: I'm in Geolocation and will attend their meeting and will be conveying this group's ideas

14:19:15 [Dzung_Tran]

q+

14:19:16 [fhirsch]

q+

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ack Dzung_Tran

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q-

14:20:07 [dom]

zakim, mute me

14:20:07 [Zakim]

Dom should now be muted

14:20:21 [fhirsch]

dzung notes he was going to take compass out of the draft, so that can be given to the geolocation group

14:21:01 [brianleroux]

ACTION: Dzung_tran will remove compass from the draft for the geolocaiton group

14:21:01 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - Dzung_tran

14:21:02 [fhirsch]

action: dzung to take compass api out of system info api as a separate api document, to share with geolocation

14:21:02 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-36 - Take compass api out of system info api as a separate api document, to share with geolocation [on Dzung Tran - due 2009-11-04].

14:21:07 [darobin]

ACTION: Dzung to split Compass out of SysInfo so that Geolocation can look at it, and adopt if they like it

14:21:07 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-37 - Split Compass out of SysInfo so that Geolocation can look at it, and adopt if they like it [on Dzung Tran - due 2009-11-04].

14:21:20 [fhirsch]

action-36 closed

14:21:20 [trackbot]

ACTION-36 Take compass api out of system info api as a separate api document, to share with geolocation closed

14:21:53 [dom]

zakim, mute me

14:21:53 [Zakim]

Dom was already muted, dom

14:22:10 [brianleroux]

Topic: Policy

14:23:28 [brianleroux]

fhirsch: wants us to discuss a roadmap, review req's and security

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policy requirements draft

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http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/policy-reqs/

14:24:47 [Zakim]

-darobin

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+nwidell

14:25:58 [brianleroux]

fhirsch: pls review policy requirements (should be declarative, etc)

14:26:00 [Zakim]

+darobin

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Present +Niklas_Widell

14:27:25 [brianleroux]

fhirsch: features vs capabilities and trust models, granularity of security, notification dialogues

14:28:27 [richt]

q+

14:29:15 [brianleroux]

fhirsch: wants feedback on the policy-reqs doc on the mailing list after review. aim for a editors draft at the f2f.

14:29:40 [richt]

q-

14:29:50 [Bryan]

q+

14:30:43 [fhirsch]

may decide on FPWD

14:30:44 [darobin]

ack

14:30:50 [fhirsch]

q?

14:30:54 [fhirsch]

ack Bryan

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seeking agreement of WG on editors draft content

14:31:35 [fhirsch]

this first draft is to get us started, but does not represent consensus

14:31:39 [brianleroux]

bryan: feels that we need to get a sense of consensus before publishing a working draft

14:31:59 [fhirsch]

would like to get to state where draft does represent consensus, and changes are made based on consensus

14:32:23 [fhirsch]

please review the policy requiements draft before the f2f, discuss on list, including issues noted and gaps

14:32:49 [fhirsch]

we need to decide how to fulfill the roadmap deliverable of the charter, f2f discussion?

14:33:28 [fhirsch]

I noted that API docs probably should have security considerations and privacy considerations

14:33:44 [richt]

q+

14:33:50 [fhirsch]

ack richt

14:34:10 [fhirsch]

context api has place holder for this

14:34:14 [brianleroux]

richt: has put a placeholder in Contacts related to security

14:34:20 [darobin]

s/context/contacts/

14:34:35 [arve]

q+

14:34:50 [fhirsch]

ack arve

14:34:53 [brianleroux]

richt: ppl need to be aware that each API requires different security requirements

14:35:02 [Zakim]

-brianleroux

14:35:18 [Dzung_Tran]

I agree

14:35:23 [darobin]

arve: agreed, each API may be implemented separately

14:35:35 [darobin]

... so each needs its own security considerations

14:35:47 [dom]

i/<darobin> arve:/ScribeNick: darobin/

14:35:53 [Zakim]

+brianleroux

14:36:22 [brianleroux]

yes

14:36:43 [dom]

ACTION-31?

14:36:43 [trackbot]

ACTION-31 -- stephen lewontin to share information on conditional permissions on list -- due 2009-10-28 -- OPEN

14:36:43 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/31

14:37:26 [brianleroux]

Topic: APIs

14:38:15 [brianleroux]

review progress on req docs and issues

14:39:18 [brianleroux]

bryan: travelling through time, feels that the register protocol handler in html5 is specific to websites / not widgets / not related to the scope

14:40:09 [brianleroux]

robin: handler can register itself for a protocal (which can be a web app)

14:42:12 [brianleroux]

robin: do you mean something that does not have a url? bryan: essentially yes --- looking for an explanation have how we can use this feature in this context (the context of a widget on a device)

14:43:35 [brianleroux]

bryan: conceptually addressed by html5 robin: needs more thinking to make it work for widgets

14:43:49 [arve]

q+

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14:45:06 [brianleroux]

robin: going to elaborate on the protocol handlers discussion as it relates to widgets

14:45:42 [brianleroux]

essentially the URI is an internal representation to the widget only not able to register outside of its own context

14:46:35 [brianleroux]

interesting thought that a widget could be addressable externally

14:47:21 [brianleroux]

arve: content servers within widgets creates its own unique set of problems/opportunities

14:47:39 [arve]

zakim, mute me

14:47:39 [Zakim]

arve should now be muted

14:47:46 [brianleroux]

Zakim, who is making noise

14:47:46 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'who is making noise', brianleroux

14:47:55 [brianleroux]

well then

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=)

14:48:55 [brianleroux]

bryan: reviewing the gaps between DAP and BONDI

14:49:28 [brianleroux]

robin: wonders if anyone has anything about Contacts and System info APIs?

14:49:41 [brianleroux]

sorry,

14:49:55 [darobin]

s/about Contacts and System info APIs/about other APIs than Contacts and System/

14:50:15 [Bryan]

q+

14:50:30 [fhirsch]

ack arve

14:50:35 [fhirsch]

ack Bryan

14:50:55 [brianleroux]

bryan: question about the Camera API --- feels recording from the microphone is vital

14:51:38 [brianleroux]

robin: so if it can do pictures, video ... why not sound (it is an issue). makes it more of a capture api

14:52:01 [brianleroux]

robin: the issue regarding recording should be resolved at f2f

14:52:11 [brianleroux]

(ftr brianleroux +1 to Capture API)

14:52:24 [AnssiK]

sysinfo and events is fairly extensive, do we still want to modularize it?

14:52:39 [Dzung_Tran]

I think it makes sense to separate into AV recording

14:52:51 [AnssiK]

ok, sounds like a plan

14:53:13 [brianleroux]

Topic: Other Business

14:53:27 [brianleroux]

Meeting adjourned!

14:53:39 [Zakim]

-Bryan_Sullivan

14:53:40 [Zakim]

-Dom

14:53:42 [Zakim]

-fhirsch

14:53:43 [Zakim]

-JereK

14:53:43 [Zakim]

-AnssiK

14:53:44 [Zakim]

-nwidell

14:53:44 [Zakim]

-arve

14:53:45 [Zakim]

-Dzung_Tran

14:53:46 [Zakim]

-Marcin

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-ilkka

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-brianleroux

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-richt

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-marengo

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-darobin

14:53:58 [Zakim]

-maxf

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UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended

14:54:00 [brianleroux]

hey thanks for putting up w/ me!

14:54:02 [Zakim]

Attendees were fhirsch, marengo, +0472369aaaa, Bryan_Sullivan, maxf, ilkka, +1.604.685.aabb, AnssiK, Dom, arve, Dzung_Tran, brianleroux, +33.1.42.02.aacc, darobin, JereK, Marcin,

14:54:05 [Zakim]

... richt, nwidell

14:54:27 [dom]

Zakim, bye

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Zakim has left #dap

14:54:38 [darobin]

RRSAgent, stop logging

14:54:38 [RRSAgent]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'stop logging', darobin. Try /msg RRSAgent help

14:54:39 [fhirsch]

rrsagent, generate minutes

14:54:39 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/28-dap-minutes.html fhirsch

14:54:43 [darobin]

RRSAgent, stop