IRC log of dap on 2009-10-21

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13:17:41 [tlr]: Chair: fjh
13:17:42 [trackbot]: RRSAgent, make logs world
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13:17:43 [tlr]: Regrets: robin
13:17:44 [trackbot]: Zakim, this will be DAP
13:17:45 [trackbot]: Meeting: Device APIs and Policy Working Group Teleconference
13:17:45 [trackbot]: Date: 21 October 2009
13:17:45 [Zakim]: ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 43 minutes
13:18:14 [tlr]: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2009Oct/0184.html
13:18:37 [tlr]: tlr has changed the topic to: DAP Teleconference code 3279 Agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2009Oct/0184.html ; please enter attendance with Present+ first_last , also please tell zakim who you are with zakim, aaa is $irc_nicname
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13:24:58 [fhirsch]: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2009Oct/0195.html
13:25:59 [fhirsch]: fhirsch has changed the topic to: DAP Teleconference, code 3279 Agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2009Oct/0195.html; please enter attendance with Present+ first_last , also please tell zakim who you are with akim, aaa is $irc_nicname
13:26:20 [fhirsch]: Regrets: Robin Berjon, Daniel Coloma
13:26:38 [fhirsch]: Chair: Robin Berjon and Frederick Hirsch
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13:34:03 [dom]: tlr, we have one person having asked for teleconf access to the F2F, but at this time we don't have a polycom reserved for the F2F according to http://www.w3.org/2009/11/TPAC/Schedule.html
13:34:55 [dom]: I don't know if it is still time to ask for that additional equipment — susan's message isn't explicit about that http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2009OctDec/0157.html
13:35:21 [tlr]: I wonder whether we could solve this by using skype with a nice microphone.
13:36:56 [fhirsch]: I thought we did have one reserved.
13:37:09 [tlr]: fh, that was for xmlsec
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13:51:34 [Zakim]: UW_DAP()10:00AM has now started
13:51:42 [Zakim]: + +039011228aaaa
13:52:04 [tlr]: zakim, call thomas-781
13:52:04 [Zakim]: ok, tlr; the call is being made
13:52:05 [Zakim]: +Thomas
13:53:00 [tlr]: zakim, drop aaaa
13:53:00 [Zakim]: +039011228aaaa is being disconnected
13:53:02 [Zakim]: - +039011228aaaa
13:53:53 [MoZ]: fhirsch: MoZ is Mohamed Zergaoui from Innovimax
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13:54:33 [tlr]: regrets+ David_Rogers
13:54:42 [marengo]: Present+ Marco_Marengo
13:55:04 [Zakim]: +??P10
13:55:07 [Zakim]: -Thomas
13:55:08 [Zakim]: +Thomas
13:55:15 [fhirsch]: zakim, ??P10 is fjh
13:55:15 [Zakim]: +fjh; got it
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13:55:40 [Zakim]: +marengo
13:55:52 [Dzung_Tran]: Present+ Dzung_Tran
13:56:17 [fhirsch]: Present+ Frederick_Hirsch, Thomas_Roessler
13:56:39 [Zakim]: + +035850486aabb
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13:57:37 [fhirsch]: Mohammed DADAS, Daniel Coloma, Rob Ennals, Arun Ranganathan, Fabio Ricciato, Ben Kim, Jean-Yves Bitterlich
13:57:44 [fhirsch]: s/Mohammed.*//
13:57:54 [wonsuk]: Present+ Wonsuk_Lee
13:58:03 [ilkka]: Present+ Ilkka_Oksanen
13:58:22 [ilkka]: zakim, +035850486aabb is ilkka
13:58:24 [Zakim]: +ilkka; got it
13:58:57 [Zakim]: +wonsuk
13:59:18 [Zakim]: + +358.503.85aacc
13:59:35 [tlr]: zakim, aacc is jereK
13:59:35 [Zakim]: +jereK; got it
13:59:52 [JereK]: Present+ Jere_Kapyaho
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14:00:08 [JereK]: zakim, aacc is JereK
14:00:09 [Zakim]: sorry, JereK, I do not recognize a party named 'aacc'
14:00:14 [Zakim]: + +1.617.417.aadd
14:00:20 [Kangchan]: Present+ Kangchan
14:00:26 [Zakim]: + +035850486aaee
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14:01:06 [fhirsch]: zakim, aadd is lewontin
14:01:06 [Zakim]: +lewontin; got it
14:01:14 [marcin]: Present+ Marcin_Hanclik
14:01:16 [fhirsch]: Present+ Stephen_Lewontin
14:01:19 [paddy]: present+ Paddy_Byers
14:01:26 [AnssiK]: Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
14:02:05 [tlr]: zakim, pick a victim
14:02:05 [Zakim]: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose fjh
14:02:07 [tlr]: zakim, pick a victim
14:02:07 [Zakim]: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose marengo
14:02:08 [Zakim]: +Dzung_Tran
14:02:12 [Zakim]: + +0208849aaff
14:02:14 [tlr]: ack thom
14:02:20 [Zakim]: + +2088290aagg
14:02:20 [Zakim]: +??P24
14:02:41 [richt]: richt has joined #dap
14:02:44 [tlr]: Scribe: marengo
14:02:45 [marcin]: Zakim, aagg is marcin
14:02:45 [Zakim]: +marcin; got it
14:02:48 [tlr]: zakim, mute me
14:02:48 [Zakim]: sorry, tlr, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
14:02:53 [fhirsch]: ScribeNick: marengo
14:02:54 [tlr]: zakim, I am thoams
14:02:54 [Zakim]: sorry, tlr, I do not see a party named 'thoams'
14:02:54 [richt]: Present+ Richard_Tibbett
14:03:02 [Zakim]: + +46.1.08.01.aahh
14:03:10 [JereK]: zakim, jereK is really JereK
14:03:10 [Zakim]: +JereK; got it
14:03:40 [Claes]: Present+ Claes_Nilsson
14:03:46 [Zakim]: +Dom
14:03:49 [marengo]: thx
14:03:53 [tlr]: topic: admin stuff
14:04:04 [dom]: Present+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux
14:04:10 [tlr]: Present+ Thomas_Roessler
14:04:13 [dom]: zakim, mute me
14:04:13 [Zakim]: Dom should now be muted
14:04:21 [dom]: zakim, who's on the phone?
14:04:21 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Thomas, fjh, marengo, ilkka, wonsuk, JereK, lewontin, AnssiK (muted), Dzung_Tran (muted), +0208849aaff, marcin, ??P24, +46.1.08.01.aahh, Dom (muted)
14:04:50 [marengo]: topic: Announcements, meeting planning, logistics
14:05:25 [fhirsch]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2009Oct/0194.html
14:05:28 [dom]: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-device-apis/2009Oct/0006.html TPAC registration closes on Oct 23
14:05:36 [richt]: Zakim, +0208849aaff is richt
14:05:36 [Zakim]: +richt; got it
14:05:38 [tlr]: yes, it's 1h earlier for Europe.
14:06:04 [tlr]: ack thom
14:06:22 [tlr]: http://esw.w3.org/topic/TPAC_Security_BOF
14:06:35 [Zakim]: + +1.425.214.aaii
14:06:55 [Bryan]: Bryan has joined #dap
14:07:29 [tlr]: informal session
14:07:31 [tlr]: Topic: minutes approval
14:07:44 [fhirsch]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2009Oct/0166.html
14:08:15 [Zakim]: + +82.10.20.73.aajj
14:08:20 [marengo]: resolution: minutes for 2009-10-14 are approved
14:08:31 [Kangchan]: zakim, aajj is Kangchan
14:08:31 [Zakim]: +Kangchan; got it
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14:09:01 [nwidell]: Present+ NIklas_Widell
14:09:13 [Bryan]: present+Bryan_Bryan aaii
14:09:26 [marengo]: topic: Policy Segment
14:09:33 [Claes]: zakim, +46.1.08.01.aahh is Claes
14:09:33 [Zakim]: +Claes; got it
14:09:36 [fhirsch]: issue-32?
14:09:36 [trackbot]: ISSUE-32 -- Features, Device Capabilities, their identification, and their role in policy. -- RAISED
14:09:36 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/32
14:09:56 [fhirsch]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2009Oct/
14:09:57 [Zakim]: + +04610715aakk
14:10:17 [Bryan]: zakim, +14252142330 is Bryan
14:10:17 [Zakim]: sorry, Bryan, I do not recognize a party named '+14252142330'
14:10:23 [marengo]: Paddy: discussion kicked off on how features are identified
14:10:38 [Bryan]: zakim, 4252142330 is Bryan
14:10:38 [Zakim]: sorry, Bryan, I do not recognize a party named '4252142330'
14:10:46 [fhirsch]: zakim, who is here?
14:10:46 [Zakim]: On the phone I see Thomas, fjh, marengo, ilkka, wonsuk, JereK, lewontin, AnssiK (muted), Dzung_Tran (muted), richt, marcin, ??P24, Claes, Dom (muted), +1.425.214.aaii, Kangchan,
14:10:49 [Zakim]: ... +04610715aakk
14:10:50 [Zakim]: On IRC I see nwidell, Bryan, richt, marcin, paddy, Claes, Kangchan, JereK, wonsuk, Dzung_Tran, marengo, fjh-lurker, MoZ, AnssiK, fhirsch, Zakim, RRSAgent, tlr, ilkka, arg,
14:10:52 [fhirsch]: zakim, aaii is bryan
14:10:53 [Zakim]: ... trackbot, dom
14:10:53 [Zakim]: +bryan; got it
14:11:40 [fhirsch]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2009Oct/0185.html
14:12:28 [fhirsch]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2009Oct/0160.html
14:12:39 [fhirsch]: s/http.*0185.*//
14:12:55 [nwidell]: zakim, +04610715aakk is nwidell
14:12:55 [Zakim]: +nwidell; got it
14:13:59 [fhirsch]: q+
14:14:16 [fhirsch]: ack fhirsch
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14:15:59 [marengo_]: my connection dropped
14:16:09 [marengo_]: sorry
14:17:02 [fhirsch]: paddy: feature is ability to use capability for a specific api
14:17:15 [fhirsch]: q?
14:18:23 [marengo]: ?issue-28
14:18:29 [tlr]: issue-28?
14:18:29 [trackbot]: ISSUE-28 -- [Policy] Requirement for NO security prompting -- RAISED
14:18:29 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/28
14:18:53 [marengo]: paddy: brief discussion last week
14:18:55 [fhirsch]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2009Oct/0185.html
14:18:58 [dom]: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2009Oct/0185.html Paddy's summary on ISSUE-28
14:19:11 [marengo]: ... tried to pull out the things which everybody agree
14:19:30 [dom]: (linked to ACTION-28 - which I think can now be closed)
14:19:35 [marengo]: ... seems clear that the requirement isn't going away
14:19:58 [marengo]: ... modal prompts are bad and avoidable with good api design
14:20:13 [marengo]: ... user should know something is happening
14:20:56 [marengo]: ... many questions have been raised on the ML
14:21:19 [marengo]: ... One was about asking just once
14:21:39 [marengo]: ... and giving fine grained decision support later
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14:21:51 [Zakim]: +Laura_Arribas
14:22:40 [marengo]: fhirsch: suggests to create issues related to such discussion
14:23:02 [fhirsch]: action: paddy to enter issues based on issue-28
14:23:02 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-29 - Enter issues based on issue-28 [on Paddy Byers - due 2009-10-28].
14:23:39 [marengo]: fhirsch: objections to include in the requirements doc?
14:23:44 [Bryan]: +1
14:24:31 [marengo]: resolution: paddy to start creating a draft document related to issue-28
14:25:01 [fhirsch]: issue: persisting state of user decisions
14:25:01 [trackbot]: Created ISSUE-33 - Persisting state of user decisions ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/33/edit .
14:25:09 [dom]: s/creating a draft document/creating a draft Policy Requirements document/
14:25:11 [Bryan]: q+
14:25:20 [fhirsch]: ack Bryan
14:25:33 [Bryan]: q-
14:25:42 [fhirsch]: Issue-33: related to blanket permission question
14:25:42 [trackbot]: ISSUE-33 Persisting state of user decisions notes added
14:25:46 [marengo]: action: paddy to create a draft Policy Requirements document
14:25:46 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-30 - Create a draft Policy Requirements document [on Paddy Byers - due 2009-10-28].
14:27:32 [Bryan]: have to drop chat, will be on the phone
14:27:44 [fhirsch]: Resolution: start requirements document using material from Paddy issue-28, issue-33
14:27:58 [fhirsch]: issue-11?
14:27:58 [trackbot]: ISSUE-11 -- Gathering requirements for FileSystem API -- OPEN
14:27:58 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/11
14:28:24 [fhirsch]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2009Oct/0193.html
14:28:50 [marengo]: marcin: we are talking about protecting apis
14:29:00 [fhirsch]: protecting apis versus protecting data is possibly important consideration
14:29:09 [fhirsch]: issue: Protecting data versus protecting apis
14:29:09 [trackbot]: Created ISSUE-34 - Protecting data versus protecting apis ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/34/edit .
14:29:15 [dom]: s/<fhirsch> Resolution:/<marengo> Resolution:/
14:29:37 [fhirsch]: issue-34: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2009Oct/0193.html
14:29:37 [trackbot]: ISSUE-34 Protecting data versus protecting apis notes added
14:29:51 [marengo]: ... in dap we try to create apis for mananing contacts, events, ...
14:30:10 [marengo]: ... protecting the apis is not security
14:30:32 [fhirsch]: isn't this a discussion of granularity of access control?
14:30:55 [fhirsch]: q+
14:31:20 [marengo]: ... as a refinement of protecting apis we can go further and specify which parameters are valid or not
14:32:00 [fhirsch]: Bryan: BONDI can define security sensitive parameters, e.g. limit access to file location
14:33:03 [marengo]: marcin: will clarify this in BONDI
14:33:45 [marengo]: fhirsch: will it work with things like Contacts
14:34:24 [fhirsch]: filtering with tag based rules, e.g only sms to contact
14:34:39 [fhirsch]: lewontin: Nokia API has conditional permissions
14:34:47 [fhirsch]: ... operation at time of day for example
14:35:07 [fhirsch]: q-
14:35:57 [fhirsch]: action: lewontin to share information on conditional permissions on list
14:35:57 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-31 - Share information on conditional permissions on list [on stephen lewontin - due 2009-10-28].
14:36:43 [fhirsch]: try to do this before TPAC please
14:36:53 [Zakim]: -nwidell
14:37:02 [marengo]: ?action-16
14:37:06 [fhirsch]: action-16?
14:37:06 [trackbot]: ACTION-16 -- Bryan Sullivan to help review/compare device capabilities and features -- due 2009-09-30 -- OPEN
14:37:06 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/16
14:37:26 [fhirsch]: in progress, before f2f
14:37:34 [fhirsch]: action-22?
14:37:34 [trackbot]: ACTION-22 -- David Rogers to provide diffs for the BONDI versions -- due 2009-10-07 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:37:34 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/22
14:37:48 [dom]: close ACTION-22
14:37:48 [trackbot]: ACTION-22 Provide diffs for the BONDI versions closed
14:37:57 [fhirsch]: action-24?
14:37:57 [trackbot]: ACTION-24 -- stephen lewontin to look into HTML5 security model -- due 2009-10-14 -- OPEN
14:37:57 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/24
14:38:05 [Zakim]: +nwidell
14:38:06 [fhirsch]: in progress
14:38:39 [dom]: paddy already got an action
14:38:46 [dom]: ACTION-30?
14:38:46 [trackbot]: ACTION-30 -- Paddy Byers to create a draft Policy Requirements document -- due 2009-10-28 -- OPEN
14:38:46 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/30
14:39:00 [paddy]: sorry was that a question to me?
14:39:05 [dom]: ACTION-30?
14:39:05 [trackbot]: ACTION-30 -- Frederick Hirsch to create a draft Policy Requirements document -- due 2009-10-28 -- OPEN
14:39:05 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/30
14:39:21 [paddy]: happy to share an action
14:40:13 [marengo]: fhirsch: f2f agenda ..... we'll work out which slots we'll use for policy discussion
14:40:22 [marengo]: ... any suggestions for the agenda?
14:40:42 [marengo]: ... regrets should be sent to the list, not just to the chairs
14:41:20 [marengo]: topic: API segment
14:41:38 [fhirsch]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2009Oct/0186.html
14:42:16 [Zakim]: -Kangchan
14:42:24 [fhirsch]: System Info & Events API
14:42:44 [dom]: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2009Oct/0186.html First stab at System Info & Events API
14:43:00 [fhirsch]: proposal here - http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/system-info/Overview.html
14:43:02 [dom]: -> http://dev.w3.org/2009/dap/system-info/Overview.html A proposal for the Device API and Policy Working Group System Information and Events API.
14:44:31 [dom]: (that seems to be an awful long document - I would rather see smaller modules)
14:45:04 [dom]: ack me
14:45:42 [AnssiK]: +1 for making the spec modular and weeding out parts which should go to v1
14:46:01 [marengo]: dom: suggests to keep only the things we are going to implement
14:46:03 [fhirsch]: dom suggests may want to limit scope of the system info to cpu etc but not compass and sensors
14:46:27 [fhirsch]: q?
14:47:03 [dom]: q+ to talk about compass and geoloc
14:47:55 [fhirsch]: dom notes compass is important API but not as a system API
14:48:10 [AnssiK]: q+
14:48:14 [dom]: ACTION: Dom to look into existing work around compass API at geolocation / webapps
14:48:14 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-32 - Look into existing work around compass API at geolocation / webapps [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2009-10-28].
14:48:16 [fhirsch]: ack dom
14:48:16 [Zakim]: dom, you wanted to talk about compass and geoloc
14:48:19 [dom]: zakim, mute me
14:48:19 [Zakim]: Dom should now be muted
14:48:22 [fhirsch]: ack AnssiK
14:48:53 [marengo]: AnssiK: had a quick look at the spec and propose to try to find out what is feasible for v1
14:49:12 [fhirsch]: need to consider implications of amount and scope of work, including interop
14:50:48 [fhirsch]: all - Please review document and comment on list, which should be in system API, what should be in v2, and what should be a separate API
14:51:11 [fhirsch]: action: dzung to revise system api based on list feedback
14:51:11 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-33 - Revise system api based on list feedback [on Dzung Tran - due 2009-10-28].
14:51:33 [marengo]: topic: bondi 1.01
14:51:43 [fhirsch]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2009Oct/0190.html
14:51:47 [paddy]: I don't think he's on the call
14:52:34 [marengo]: fhirsch: changes is 1.01 are corrections to callback names, error handling, ...
14:52:56 [fhirsch]: http://bondi.omtp.org/1.01/apis/errata.html
14:53:15 [marengo]: ... from a high level point of view it does not add much to discussion
14:53:31 [marengo]: issue-16?
14:53:31 [trackbot]: ISSUE-16 -- Gathering requirements for User Interaction API -- OPEN
14:53:31 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/16
14:53:41 [marengo]: topic: issue-16 web notifications
14:54:05 [marengo]: fhirsch: web apps and ui dap
14:54:08 [fhirsch]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2009Oct/0177.html
14:54:13 [AnssiK]: q+
14:54:19 [fhirsch]: ack AnssiK
14:54:20 [Zakim]: -Thomas
14:54:20 [dom]: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009OctDec/0225.html Web NOtifications proposal i nWebApps
14:54:26 [dom]: s/i nW/in W/
14:54:47 [Kangchan]: Kangchan has joined #dap
14:54:53 [marengo]: AnssiK: had a look at prior art, received feedback on ml
14:55:12 [marengo]: ... link to WebApps WG, they are implementing web notification system in webkit
14:55:51 [marengo]: ... who's taking web notifications
14:56:15 [dom]: [this suggests we should take it up - and thus follow-up on the public-webapps message]
14:56:31 [fhirsch]: ansii notes examples are growl etc
14:56:39 [marengo]: ... (there's a discussion on the ML in the recent mails)
14:56:56 [marengo]: ... multi-tasking use cases are considered
14:57:11 [marengo]: ... mechanism to inform the user of an update
14:57:31 [marengo]: ... without forcing the user to open the application
14:57:45 [marengo]: ... we could take this
14:57:51 [dom]: (there is also discussions in WebApps regarding an API discussing idleness/visibility of the browser context which is likely somewhat relevant to us as well: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009OctDec/0223.html )
14:58:09 [dom]: q+
14:58:25 [dom]: ack me
14:58:25 [fhirsch]: ack dom
14:58:44 [marengo]: dom: let's wait until next week for a decision
14:58:48 [fhirsch]: suggest we make decision next week, with Robin on call
15:00:53 [dom]: zakim, mute me
15:00:55 [Zakim]: Dom should now be muted
15:01:04 [marengo]: topic: Issue review
15:01:32 [fhirsch]: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/issues/open
15:01:38 [Zakim]: -lewontin
15:03:34 [fhirsch]: earlier discussed API design patterns, this action should help with moving forward
15:04:42 [dom]: ACTION-21?
15:04:42 [trackbot]: ACTION-21 -- Bryan Sullivan to send comments about Arve's requirements for ISSUE-6 -- due 2009-09-30 -- OPEN
15:04:42 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/21
15:04:43 [marengo]: everyone should prepare input for the requirements
15:04:57 [fhirsch]: bryan suggests all prepare inputs for various API requirements for TPAC
15:05:57 [dom]: (please introduce the topic on the mailing list beforehand, bryan)
15:07:30 [fhirsch]: open actions http://www.w3.org/2009/dap/track/actions/open
15:07:55 [marengo]: fhirsch: review the open action points before tpac
15:07:56 [dom]: (MWABP stands for Mobile Web Application Best Practices)
15:08:14 [marengo]: topic: other business
15:08:33 [Zakim]: -bryan
15:09:00 [fhirsch]: rrsagent, generate minutes
15:09:00 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-dap-minutes.html fhirsch
15:09:12 [Zakim]: -JereK
15:09:13 [Zakim]: -Dom
15:09:16 [Zakim]: -AnssiK
15:09:19 [Zakim]: -Claes
15:09:20 [Zakim]: -marcin
15:09:20 [Zakim]: -wonsuk
15:09:21 [Zakim]: -ilkka
15:09:21 [Zakim]: -marengo
15:09:22 [Zakim]: -nwidell
15:09:25 [Zakim]: -richt
15:09:26 [fhirsch]: me zakim, who is here?
15:09:32 [richt]: richt has left #dap
15:09:36 [nwidell]: quit
15:09:46 [wonsuk]: wonsuk has left #dap
15:10:22 [Zakim]: -??P24
15:10:41 [fhirsch]: Present- aaii
15:10:51 [fhirsch]: rrsagent, generate minutes
15:10:51 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/21-dap-minutes.html fhirsch
15:10:58 [Zakim]: -Dzung_Tran
15:11:19 [Zakim]: -fjh
15:11:44 [Zakim]: -Laura_Arribas
15:11:46 [Zakim]: UW_DAP()10:00AM has ended
15:11:47 [Zakim]: Attendees were +039011228aaaa, Thomas, fjh, marengo, ilkka, wonsuk, +358.503.85aacc, +1.617.417.aadd, +035850486aaee, AnssiK, lewontin, Dzung_Tran, +2088290aagg, marcin, JereK,
15:11:49 [Zakim]: ... Dom, richt, +1.425.214.aaii, +82.10.20.73.aajj, Kangchan, Claes, bryan, nwidell, Laura_Arribas
15:12:56 [dom]: zakim, bye
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