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19:22:52 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WSRA
19:22:52 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see WS_WSRA()3:30PM already started
19:22:53 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Services Resource Access Working Group Teleconference
19:22:53 <trackbot> Date: 20 October 2009
19:25:02 <dug> zakim, who is on?
19:25:02 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, dug.
19:25:28 <dug> zakim, who is here?
19:25:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IBM]
19:25:29 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, fmaciel, asoldano, Bob, dug, trackbot, Yves
19:25:40 <dug> zakim, IBM is dug
19:25:40 <Zakim> +dug; got it
19:26:37 <Zakim> +Bob_Freund
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19:27:02 <Zakim> + +1.408.274.aaaa
19:27:07 <fmaciel> zakim, aaaa is fmaciel
19:27:07 <Zakim> +fmaciel; got it
19:27:28 <Zakim> + +39.331.574.aabb
19:27:46 <asoldano> zakim,  +39.331.574.aabb is asoldano
19:27:46 <Zakim> +asoldano; got it
19:28:18 <asoldano> is there a webpage with these directions?
19:28:30 <asoldano> (I assume next time I'll scribe...)
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19:28:46 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
19:28:49 <asoldano> ok, I'll search
19:28:51 <asoldano> thanks
19:29:15 <Zakim> + +984999aacc
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19:29:47 <Bob> scribe: Fred maciel
19:29:47 <Bob> regrets+ Yves lafon
19:29:47 <Bob> scribenick: fmaciel
19:29:47 <Bob> Topic: Opening
19:30:05 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
19:30:20 <Zakim> + +1.571.262.aadd
19:31:00 <Zakim> + +1.408.642.aaee
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19:31:56 <Zakim> +Tom_Rutt
19:32:41 <Zakim> + +1.908.696.aaff
19:32:41 <Bob> regrets+ Katy Warr
19:33:16 <li> zakim, aaff is li
19:33:17 <Zakim> +li; got it
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19:33:53 <Bob> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Oct/0042.html
19:34:55 <fmaciel> added issues 7553 and 7207 to agenda
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19:36:07 <fmaciel> added issue 7982 to agenda
19:37:08 <dug> thanks for not infecting us  :-)
19:37:12 <asoldano> ;-)
19:37:24 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
19:39:37 <fmaciel> Agenda approved as amended
19:40:02 <fmaciel> topic: New Issues
19:40:04 <dug> 7 new issues
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19:40:40 <fmaciel> All seven new issues approved
19:41:07 <Ram> q+
19:41:50 <fmaciel> topic: Approval of minutes
19:42:25 <Bob> ack ram
19:42:43 <fmaciel> RESOLUTION: minutes of Oct 13 approved
19:42:54 <fmaciel> Topic: Logistics
19:43:13 <asoldano> at least 5 sec I'd say
19:44:05 <dug> q+
19:44:19 <fmaciel> November F2F: FYI 7 registered observers
19:45:16 <Bob> ack dug
19:45:19 <fmaciel> January F2F: No objection to dates (2010-01-26 through 2010-01-28). 
19:45:43 <fmaciel> Location is Sunnyvale, CA. See e-mail from Dave for more details.
19:46:07 <gpilz> q+
19:46:22 <Bob> ack gp
19:46:39 <fmaciel> Topic: Handling of external reviewer's comments
19:47:00 <gpilz> +1 to creating issues - only way to track the comments
19:47:58 <fmaciel> Need to create issue, review resolution with reviewer and see if reviewer agrees.
19:48:46 <dug> +1 to them opening the issues - that way they're worded corrcetly
19:48:48 <dug> correctly
19:48:56 <fmaciel> Topic: Issues with proposals
19:49:08 <fmaciel> Issue 7068
19:49:11 <dug> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Oct/0018.html
19:50:02 <Ram> q+
19:50:26 <Bob> ack ram
19:50:50 <dug> When present, this OPTIONAL parameter ....  (add OPTIONAL)
19:53:44 <dug> Add OPTIONAL to all specs/all optional policy parameters
19:54:09 <fmaciel> RESOLUTION: Approved as amended with "OPTIONAL" text.
19:54:40 <fmaciel> Issue 7811
19:56:59 <fmaciel> RESOLUTION:  proposal in issue approved.
19:57:11 <fmaciel> Issue 7207
19:57:17 <dug> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7207
19:58:12 <dug> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Oct/0049.html
19:59:21 <fmaciel> RESOLUTION: proposal approved.
19:59:53 <fmaciel> Issue 7553
20:00:18 <dug> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Oct/0045.html
20:01:49 <fmaciel> Message 45 should be included in the bug as part of the proposal
20:02:23 <fmaciel> RESOLUTION: approved with updated proposal including message 45
20:03:23 <Ram> q+
20:03:56 <Ram> q-
20:04:26 <fmaciel> Issue 7982
20:04:34 <dug> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7982
20:05:55 <fmaciel> RESOLUTION: proposal accepted, resolved.
20:06:33 <fmaciel> Issue: 7828 7588 7586
20:06:33 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-1 - 7828 7588 7586 ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/ra/tracker/issues/1/edit .
20:07:03 <fmaciel> Oops - please erase later
20:07:13 <fmaciel> Issue 7828 7588 7586
20:07:14 <dug> s/Issue:/Topic: Issue/
20:07:30 <fmaciel> Thanks dug
20:07:34 <dug> yep
20:08:02 <Bob> Topic: Issues 7828, 7588, 7586
20:08:24 <dug> Latest note on this:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Oct/0044.html
20:10:12 <dug> sort of - proposal is here:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Oct/0044.html   the other link has some minor editorial tweaks.
20:10:52 <dug> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Oct/0041.html
20:11:05 <Ram> q+
20:11:11 <dug> 41 == proposal, 44 is editorial suggestions 
20:11:27 <Bob> ack ram
20:13:50 <fmaciel> Ram to review, postpone to next week
20:14:26 <fmaciel> topic: Issue 6435
20:15:21 <dug> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Sep/att-0032/Eventing-State-Tables-v3.doc
20:15:43 <Ram> Issue 7912 could be resolved today.
20:18:32 <Zakim> +fjh2
20:18:35 <dug> q+
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20:19:49 <asir> Didn't we eliminate some of the states at the Hursley F2F?
20:20:52 <Bob> zakim, who is making noise?
20:21:04 <Zakim> Bob, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: fjh2 (19%), +1.408.642.aaee (25%)
20:21:22 <li> q+
20:22:33 <Bob> ack dug
20:23:44 <Bob> ack li
20:23:45 <Ram> q+
20:24:13 <dug> +1 to Subscriber/EventSink
20:24:50 <Bob> ack ram
20:26:48 <dug> zakim who is making noise?
20:26:55 <li> loud noise
20:26:57 <dug> I hear TONS of static
20:26:57 <asir> too noisy
20:27:12 <fmaciel> All willing to accept proposal except for 
20:27:14 <fmaciel> Ram
20:27:16 <gpilz> zakim, who is making noise
20:27:16 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is making noise', gpilz
20:27:23 <asoldano> zakim, who is making noise?
20:27:24 <dug> bob -can'thear you
20:27:27 <li> can't hear anything
20:27:29 <Ram> Can't hear anything!
20:27:33 <fmaciel> zakim, who is making noise?
20:27:38 <Zakim> asoldano, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: dug (27%), Bob_Freund (72%)
20:27:49 <Zakim> fmaciel, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: fjh2 (32%), dug (7%), Bob_Freund (7%)
20:28:13 <asir> q+
20:29:46 <dug> 7970 might be an easy one
20:30:52 <Zakim> - +984999aacc
20:31:00 <fmaciel> Topic: issue 7912
20:32:27 <asoldano> perhpaps we can wait a week for this
20:32:37 <gpilz> q+
20:32:49 <Zakim> + +984999aagg
20:33:08 <asir> the proposal sounds concrete enough
20:33:13 <Bob> ack asir
20:34:51 <DaveS> The idnifier field was there already right?
20:34:56 <gpilz> yeah
20:34:56 <dug> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7912
20:36:14 <Bob> acl gpi
20:36:16 <Bob> ack gpi
20:38:10 <DaveS> +1
20:42:00 <dug> 7970  might be easy
20:42:26 <fmaciel> action: Doug/Katie to write concrete proposal
20:42:26 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Doug/Katie
20:42:40 <dug> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7970
20:42:51 <fmaciel> Bob, please edit again
20:43:03 <fmaciel> Topic: issue 7970
20:43:53 <dug> proposal 1:   A Web service that accepts requests to create subscriptions.
20:43:53 <Ram> I need more time to review this issue.
20:44:06 <dug> Proposal 2:  A Web service that accepts requests to create subscriptions for  a certain set of notification that might be generated.
20:44:33 <Bob> action: Doug and Katy to produce a more concrete proposal for Issue-7912
20:44:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-118 - And Katy to produce a more concrete proposal for Issue-7912 [on Doug Davis - due 2009-10-27].
20:44:43 <Ram> This changes the notion that the event source generates the events.
20:45:34 <li> proposal 2 is better
20:45:38 <Ram> q+
20:45:54 <Bob> ack ram
20:47:49 <dug> for proposal 2:  s/notification/notifications/
20:48:23 <fmaciel> review and resolution posponed
20:49:19 <fmaciel> Topic: issue 7968
20:50:30 <fmaciel> RESOLUTION: proposal accepted.
20:50:37 <dug> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7969
20:51:14 <fmaciel> Topic: issue 7969
20:52:38 <fmaciel> resolution postponed
20:52:55 <dug> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7986
20:54:26 <Zakim> - +1.571.262.aadd
20:54:30 <asir> q+
20:54:41 <Bob> ack asir
20:54:52 <fmaciel> Topic: issue 7986
20:59:54 <Zakim> - +984999aagg
20:59:55 <Zakim> - +1.408.642.aaee
20:59:56 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
20:59:57 <Zakim> -Bob_Freund
20:59:58 <Zakim> -fjh2
20:59:59 <Zakim> -li
20:59:59 <Zakim> -dug
21:00:01 <Zakim> -fmaciel
21:00:02 <Zakim> -asoldano
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21:00:34 <Bob> rrsagent, generate minutes
21:00:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/20-ws-ra-minutes.html Bob
21:00:39 <Bob> rrsagent, generate minutes
21:00:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/20-ws-ra-minutes.html Bob
21:04:17 <Bob> rrsagent, generate minutes
21:04:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/20-ws-ra-minutes.html Bob
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21:05:05 <Zakim> Attendees were dug, Bob_Freund, +1.408.274.aaaa, fmaciel, asoldano, [Microsoft], +984999aacc, Ashok_Malhotra, +1.571.262.aadd, +1.408.642.aaee, Tom_Rutt, +1.908.696.aaff, li, fjh2,
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