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14:52:44 <shadi> zakim, this will be bad
14:52:45 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_EOWG(BAD TF)11:00AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
14:52:52 <shadi> meeting: BAD TF
14:52:58 <shadi> chair: Shadi
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14:53:58 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-eo-badtf/2009Oct/0024.html
14:54:08 <shadi> agenda+ Demo Navigation
14:54:16 <shadi> agenda+ Reports Design
14:54:27 <shadi> agenda+ Next Meetings
14:59:12 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
14:59:12 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
14:59:13 <Zakim> WAI_EOWG(BAD TF)11:00AM has now started
14:59:15 <Zakim> +Shadi
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15:00:39 <jenoe> hi, i've to finish a call and will join soon
15:01:01 <Zakim> + +03130239aaaa
15:01:20 <shadi> zakim, aaaa is Wilco
15:01:30 <Zakim> +Wilco; got it
15:01:41 <Zakim> + +1.617.588.aabb
15:01:48 <eric> Zakim, aabb is me
15:01:48 <Zakim> +eric; got it
15:01:50 <shadi> zakim, aabb is Eric
15:01:50 <Zakim> sorry, shadi, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
15:02:30 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:02:30 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Demo Navigation" taken up [from shadi]
15:02:44 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-eo-badtf/2009Oct/0026.html
15:03:17 <shadi> http://bad.ericeggert.net/meta-pages/index.html
15:03:25 <shadi> http://bad.ericeggert.net/meta-pages/evaluation-home.html
15:04:01 <shadi> http://bad.ericeggert.net/meta-pages/v2/overview.html
15:04:22 <shadi> http://bad.ericeggert.net/meta-pages/v2/accessible-home.html
15:04:33 <shadi> http://bad.ericeggert.net/meta-pages/v2/evaluation-home.html
15:07:09 <Zakim> +eric.a
15:07:25 <shadi> zakim, eric.a is Michael
15:07:25 <Zakim> +Michael; got it
15:08:29 <shadi> scribe: Shadi
15:08:44 <shadi> Wilco: don't like the 4 cells under the tabs
15:09:37 <shadi> Eric: background bar will be red for inaccessible pages
15:09:56 <jenoe> q+
15:10:24 <shadi> Shadi: agree, dislike the 4 cells but love the overview tab
15:10:41 <shadi> Michael: indicator should be in a different style
15:10:59 <shadi> ...navigation should be more identifyable as a sub-menu
15:11:22 <shadi> ...screen shot is a good idea but should be just one link
15:12:17 <shadi> ...maybe add "inaccessible *page*"
15:12:26 <shadi> Eric: makes link texts long
15:14:38 <shadi> Michael: show annotation on it's own
15:15:16 <shadi> Wilco: maybe do something with the whole accessible/inaccessible thing
15:15:40 <shadi> ...how about we use the heading of the page - do something with "BAD"
15:15:45 <jenoe> ack m
15:15:52 <jenoe> ack j
15:16:01 <shadi> ...add links and have two completely mirrored sites
15:16:14 <shadi> ...possibly share an overview page
15:16:47 <shadi> Michael: generally agree with the general idea for the wording
15:18:11 <shadi> Shadi: maybe re-introduce the "to accessible/inaccessible version" button
15:18:24 <shadi> ...and have "demo page" and "report" under the tabs
15:18:51 <shadi> Wilco: maybe keep the sites more seperate
15:19:09 <shadi> Eric: was the request to allow switching back and forth
15:19:22 <shadi> Michael: yes, switching is an important issue
15:19:50 <shadi> Wilco: could switch from the page you're on, just from the header
15:20:41 <shadi> Shadi: why was the "to accessible/inaccessible" removed?
15:21:02 <shadi> Eric: can only move between the version of the same types of pages
15:21:24 <shadi> ...the sub-menu allows moving from report to demo page etc
15:22:30 <shadi> Michael: like the current concept, maybe just fiddle around with the style a little
15:23:13 <shadi> Eric: could have "accessible [page] [report]" to better clarify the targets
15:23:38 <shadi> Michael: sub-navigation moves with the corresponding tab?
15:23:41 <shadi> Eric: yes
15:25:16 <shadi> Wilco: no "show annotations" button on the report page
15:25:22 <shadi> Michael: or disabled
15:28:59 <shadi> Wilco: white on green doesn't have sufficient contrast
15:32:33 <eric> http://bad.ericeggert.net/meta-pages/evaluation-home.html
15:32:46 <shadi> Shadi: need W3C/WAI logos
15:32:57 <shadi> Michael: needs to be on the left?
15:33:04 <shadi> Shadi: can be on the right too
15:34:25 <shadi> zakim, take up next
15:34:25 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Reports Design" taken up [from shadi]
15:34:42 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-eo-badtf/2009Oct/0023.html
15:34:51 <shadi> http://fiers.name/badtf/report/report.htm
15:36:26 <shadi> Michael: may need a title element in the results to clarify what X/Y means
15:36:43 <shadi> ...don't like title elements that much but may help clarify
15:37:10 <shadi> Wilco: can do
15:37:30 <shadi> Michael: was suggestion for splitting the table into 4?
15:38:02 <shadi> Wilco: decided that we can't do that
15:38:15 <shadi> ...added headings for the principles
15:39:23 <shadi> Michael: maybe also add title attributes to the principle, guidelines, and success criteria
15:39:32 <shadi> Wilco: not sure if it adds much
15:40:29 <shadi> Shadi: ok to remove links from the principles?
15:40:35 <shadi> Wilco: yes
15:41:52 <shadi> Shadi: other comments on scanning the table?
15:42:05 <shadi> Wilco: maybe highlight the level number
15:42:20 <shadi> ...maybe by using color
15:42:35 <shadi> Michael: might clutter the page
15:43:07 <shadi> Wilco: maybe just a subtle color
15:48:05 <shadi> zakim, take up next
15:48:05 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Next Meetings" taken up [from shadi]
15:50:20 <Zakim> -eric
15:50:20 <Zakim> -Wilco
15:50:21 <Zakim> -Michael
15:50:22 <Wilco> Wilco has left #badtf
15:50:29 <shadi> Next meeting: Wednesday 28 October
15:50:35 <Zakim> -Shadi
15:50:37 <Zakim> WAI_EOWG(BAD TF)11:00AM has ended
15:50:38 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi, +03130239aaaa, Wilco, +1.617.588.aabb, eric, Michael
16:23:49 <shadi> zakim, bye
16:23:49 <Zakim> Zakim has left #badtf
16:23:54 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
16:23:59 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
16:23:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/14-badtf-minutes.html shadi
16:24:00 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
16:24:04 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
16:24:04 <RRSAgent> I see no action items