IRC log of xhtml on 2009-10-07
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- Zakim, this will be IA_XHTML2
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- ok, trackbot; I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
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- Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 07 October 2009
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Oct/0006
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- Steven has changed the topic to: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Oct/0006
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- 13:42:54 [Tina]
- Good afternoon, both
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- IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has now started
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- +ShaneM
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- +mgylling
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- +Tina
- 13:47:42 [Steven]
- zakim, dial steven-617
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- ok, Steven; the call is being made
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- +Steven
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- Regrets: Alessio
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- Scribe: Steven
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- Topic: Announcements
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- Steven: ANyone going to TPAC?
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- s/AN/An/
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- Steven: Just for interest, there a new validator at W3C, Unicorn -> http://qa-dev.w3.org/unicorn
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- ... validates according to appendix C too.
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- ... I have sent comments
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- good to see you here Gregory
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- +Gregory_Rosmaita
- 13:51:27 [Steven]
- present+ Gregory
- 13:52:58 [oedipus]
- scribe: Gregory_Rosmaita
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- scribenick: oedipus
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- Topic: Announcements
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- TPAC - anyone going?
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- New W3C validator in Beta: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-qa-dev/2009Oct/0000
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- SP: asked for last call review of Web Content Transformation Proxy Guidelines
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- SP: interesting document, but don't know background - anyone knows anything please share with group
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- TOPIC: PERs
- 13:55:07 [oedipus]
- SP: PERs on hold until M12 Second Edition ready
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- SP: shane, any comments on M12n SE?
- 13:55:24 [oedipus]
- shane: speaks for itself
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- SP: comments all disposed?
- 13:56:03 [oedipus]
- SP: have to go through LC again? substantive change
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- shane: if you say so
- 13:56:43 [oedipus]
- SP: holding up push to PR
- 13:56:51 [Steven]
- http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml-modularization-2e-doc-20090930.html
- 13:57:04 [oedipus]
- shane: what doc in particular are we talking about?
- 13:58:28 [oedipus]
- shane: we agreed to put attributes back in -- is substative change; WG agreed that whole thing should be modules; few attributes not anywhere that should be in Legacy Module
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- SP: could we just say "we are fixing errors, not changing M12n itself"
- 13:59:32 [oedipus]
- SP: this is errata that we are fixing, so if state fixing errata, then ok and no recycle through LC necessary
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- shane: happy to do -- terms come from PubRules -- didn't make them up
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- SP: link to definition of substantive?
- 14:00:22 [oedipus]
- shane: can say are strictly editorial because addressing errata
- 14:00:49 [Steven]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/07/pubrules?year=2009&uimode=filter&filter=Filter+pubrules&filterValues=form&docstatus=per-tr&patpol=w3c&rectrack=yes&normative=yes&prevrec=none#docreqs
- 14:01:22 [oedipus]
- http://www.w3.org/Guide/pubrules-about
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- http://www.w3.org/2005/07/13-pubrules-about#glossary
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- http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr
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- http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr#rec-modify
- 14:03:23 [Steven]
- "A substantive change (whether deletion, inclusion, or other modification) is one where someone could reasonably expect that making the change would invalidate an individual's review or implementation experience. Other changes (e.g., clarifications, bug fixes, editorial repairs, and minor error corrections) are minor changes."
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- http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr#substantive-change
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- SP: under this definition, classify as editorial
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- GJR: agree that is error correction/bugfixes
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- SP: will take to transition call -- will highlight that changes are editorial
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- shane: due to bug in issue tracking software, can't change - will have to figure out later
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- shane: will make sure "comment" document in place
- 14:05:58 [Steven]
- http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/ED-xhtml-modularization-20090930/
- 14:06:01 [oedipus]
- shane: anyone had chance to read my recent posts on M12n?
- 14:06:13 [Steven]
- http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/ED-xhtml-modularization-20090930/xhtml-modularization-diff.html
- 14:06:28 [oedipus]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Oct/0002.html
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Sep/0027.html
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- SP: looks good to me
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- GJR: me too
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- Shane: not in alphabetic order
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- Shane: sure that it is right
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- Shane: XML Schema ok
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- SP: no objection to URI ref being a single hash
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- SP: change to definition of CURIE in schema
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- Shane: not sure that was on purpose; need to recheck
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- SP: looking at DIFF for schema def
- 14:12:06 [Steven]
- http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/ED-xhtml-modularization-20090930/xhtml-modularization-diff.html
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- Shane: will attend to it
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- Shane: [after reading] i meant "for the actual anchor"
- 14:13:37 [mgylling]
- http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/ED-xhtml-modularization-20090930/xhtml-modularization-diff.html#a_module_XHTML_Datatypes
- 14:14:14 [oedipus]
- SP: addition?
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- Shane: no a change
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- Shane: when was our last Rec published
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- SP: 8 October 2008
- 14:15:05 [oedipus]
- Shane: put CURIEs in as placeholder
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- Shane: there is no change so not sure why DIFF is pointing one out
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- Shane: may be a whitespace problem
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- Shane: compared with Rec there are no changes
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- Shane: will massage markup so doesn't show up as DIFF
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- SP: have to simply resolve to take to PER
- 14:17:19 [ShaneM]
- ACTION: Shane to update the M12N Disposition of comments document
- 14:17:19 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-98 - Update the M12N Disposition of comments document [on Shane McCarron - due 2009-10-14].
- 14:17:49 [oedipus]
- proposed RESOLUTION: take xhtml-modularization to PER upon shane's tweaking of markup
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- SP: all in favor? once get first can get others to PER, pointing to M12n
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- Shane: highlight changes, such as "name" on FORM
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- Tina: no objections
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- GJR: no objections
- 14:19:30 [oedipus]
- RESOLUTION: take xhtml-modularization to PER upon shane's tweaking of markup
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- ACTION: Steven - take modularization to PER
- 14:20:05 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-99 - - take modularization to PER [on Steven Pemberton - due 2009-10-14].
- 14:20:24 [oedipus]
- shane: need to leave momentarily
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- SP: this was the most important thing to decide at meeting
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- -ShaneM
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- -Steven
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- -Tina
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- -mgylling
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- SP: without objection, ADJOURNED
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- -Gregory_Rosmaita
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- IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended
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- Attendees were ShaneM, mgylling, Tina, Steven, Gregory_Rosmaita
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/07-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
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- Thanks Gregory
- 14:22:01 [oedipus]
- no problem - have to go into "screen review" mode to hear what is in the buffer, hence the lag time
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- Chair: Steven
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- :-)
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- you beat me to it
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/07-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
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- zakim, please part
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- rrsagent, please part
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- I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/07-xhtml-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: Shane to update the M12N Disposition of comments document [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/07-xhtml-irc#T14-17-19
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- ACTION: Steven - take modularization to PER [2]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/07-xhtml-irc#T14-20-05