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15:00:10 <Norm> Zakim, this will be xproc
15:00:10 <Zakim> ok, Norm; I see XML_PMWG()11:00AM scheduled to start now
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15:00:53 <Norm> Zakim, what's the passcode?
15:00:53 <Zakim> the conference code is 97762 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Norm
15:00:57 <Zakim> +[ArborText]
15:01:10 <Norm> Regrets: Vojtech, Alex
15:01:30 <Zakim> +Norm
15:01:50 <ht> zakim, please call ht-781
15:01:54 <Zakim> ok, ht; the call is being made
15:01:56 <Zakim> +Ht
15:02:32 <Zakim> +MoZ
15:04:37 <Norm> Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:04:37 <Zakim> On the phone I see PGrosso, Norm, Ht, MoZ
15:05:04 <Norm> Present: Norm, Paul, Henry, Mohamed
15:05:54 <Norm> Meeting: XML Processing Model WG
15:05:54 <Norm> Date: 1 Oct 2009
15:05:54 <Norm> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2009/10/01-agenda
15:05:54 <Norm> Meeting: 154
15:05:54 <Norm> Chair: Norm
15:05:55 <Norm> Scribe: Norm
15:05:57 <Norm> ScribeNick: Norm
15:05:59 <Norm> Topic: Accept this agenda?
15:06:01 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2009/10/01-agenda
15:06:17 <Norm> Approved.
15:06:23 <Norm> Topic: Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
15:06:23 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2009/09/17-minutes
15:06:44 <Norm> Accepted.
15:06:53 <Norm> Topic: Next meeting: telcon 8 Oct 2009
15:07:07 <Norm> No regrets heard.
15:07:21 <Norm> s/No regrets heard./Mohamed gives possible regrets./
15:07:40 <Norm> Topic: Plans for interim CR draft
15:08:17 <Norm> Norm summarizes the status; getting there but not quite ready.
15:10:16 <Norm> Norm: I propose a publication date of 12 Oct with a commitment from the editor to get a new draft available by close-of-business on 8 OCt.
15:10:19 <Norm> s/OCt/Oct/
15:10:38 <Norm> No objections heard.
15:11:29 <Norm> Proposal: Publish the current editor's working draft, with additional changes as seen fit by the editor, as a new interim CR draft on 12 Oct.
15:11:50 <Norm> Accepted.
15:12:25 <Norm> Topic: Review of open CR issues
15:12:49 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2008/11/cr-comments/
15:13:12 <Norm> Norm: We resolved 163, or rather directed the editor to resolve it, last time.
15:14:52 <Norm> Norm summarizes his change to the declared output bindings.
15:14:57 <Norm> Proposal: The editor got it right.
15:15:05 <Norm> Accepted.
15:17:39 <Norm> Proposal: This part of 2.2 has been successfully clarified as well.
15:20:57 <Norm> Accepted.
15:21:17 <Norm> Norm: I think that closes 163.
15:22:43 <Norm> Topic: 166 Steps with no type in p:library
15:24:17 <Norm> Norm: I think the status quo is that it isn't an error to do this.
15:24:35 <Norm> ...but it does seem a little pointless.
15:24:55 <Norm> Mohamed: I think we should say something about this.
15:26:27 <Norm> Norm: I think there are two choices: make it an error or just add a note about it.
15:26:52 <Norm> Norm/Mohamed discuss the fact that an implementation-defined mechanism could run them even if they don't have a type.
15:27:00 <Norm> Paul: I don't think we should make it an error.
15:27:45 <Norm> Norm: It looks to me fairly harmless.
15:27:53 <Norm> Proposal: Add a note to the spec to inform readers, but not make it an error.
15:28:07 <Norm> Accepted.
15:28:22 <Norm> Topic: 167 Runtime semantics of p:try
15:29:58 <Norm> Norm expresses his feeling that p:try is still in the spirit of this rule. 
15:30:43 <Norm> Henry: It is worth putting an explicit note in the spec about this. If all it said was the result of a multi container step will always be the result of exactly one of it's pipelines, that would be true. But that's not quite true for p:try.
15:31:03 <Norm> ...I think we should add "with the possible exception of side-effects in the main branch of a try/catch in which the try fails."
15:31:09 <Norm> ...Pipelines are going to have side effects.
15:32:30 <Norm> Some discussion of whether or not the xpath expressions in p:when clauses can cause side effects.
15:32:47 <Norm> Henry: I think it's worth recasting this.
15:33:20 <Norm> ACTION: Editor to attempt to clarify this prose, noting that side effects may arise in p:group w/i p:try and from XPath expressions evaluated by p:when or from the bindings within p:xpath-context.
15:34:04 <Norm> Henry: I'd say "with the possible except of side effects, such as..." so we don't seem to be enumerating them all.
15:34:48 <Norm> Topic: Progress on the default processing model?
15:34:55 <Norm> Henry reports no progress.
15:35:06 <Norm> Henry: I will try to get something done before the face-to-face.
15:35:55 <Norm> Topic: Any other business
15:36:04 <Norm> Norm expresses the goal of getting to PR this month.
15:36:20 <Norm> Mohamed: Last time I looked at the test suite, coverage wasn't that good. Has it improved?
15:36:29 <Norm> Norm: I didn't think it was that bad after we added serialization tests.
15:36:39 <ht> zakim, mute me
15:36:42 <Zakim> Ht should now be muted
15:37:01 <Norm> Adjourned.
15:37:08 <Zakim> -Norm
15:37:09 <Zakim> -MoZ
15:37:10 <Zakim> -PGrosso
15:37:13 <Norm> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
15:37:16 <Norm> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:37:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/10/01-xproc-minutes.html Norm
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15:37:21 <Norm> Zakim, bye
15:37:21 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were PGrosso, Norm, Ht, MoZ
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