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14:51:28 <wiecha> Meeting: Rich Web Application Backplane XG
14:51:35 <wiecha> Chair: Charlie Wiecha
14:51:51 <wiecha> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-app-backplane/2009Sep/0012.html
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14:57:41 <wiecha> zakim, [IBM] is wiecha
14:57:41 <Zakim> +wiecha; got it
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15:03:06 <John_Boyer> zakim, I am +1.250
15:03:06 <Zakim> +John_Boyer; got it
15:03:15 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
15:03:16 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
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15:03:21 <jackjansen> zakim, code?
15:03:21 <Zakim> the conference code is 7922 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jackjansen
15:03:44 <Steven> Scribe: Steven
15:03:51 <Zakim> +Jack
15:04:13 <wiecha> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-app-backplane/2009Sep/att-0009/backplane-xg-report-v2.html
15:04:31 <Steven> Topic: Report
15:04:53 <jackjansen> q+
15:04:55 <Steven> Charlie: Let's get feedback, and I will produce a release candidate this week
15:05:13 <Steven> Jack: One week in the XG, what happens then?
15:05:36 <Steven> Charle: The phone bridge, and IPR expire
15:05:55 <Steven> ... other XGs publish in their charter period
15:06:09 <Steven> s/publish/have published/
15:07:49 <Steven> [Discussion of TPAC]
15:08:20 <Steven> Charlie: If we emphasise in the patterns part of the paper, the role of the different markups
15:08:37 <Steven> ... surface them as a formats issue
15:08:37 <John_Boyer> Minor edit: last paragraph of intro, "XML-based architectures" should probably be "XML-based markup formats"
15:09:22 <Steven> ... ... these are not abstract patterns but use cases
15:10:24 <Steven> Steven: May be more grounded for the planned readership
15:12:51 <Steven> John: The W3C seems to want to describe the web as what current browsers do, so the scruiipting bit is importnant
15:13:00 <Steven> s/uii/i/
15:14:21 <Steven> Charlie: I wonder if we should make the point more strongly that scripting is not yet fully interoperable
15:14:38 <Steven> ... we don't yet have a technical direction
15:14:50 <Steven> ... there, but we might want to emphasise the point
15:15:20 <Steven> John: There are two ways of decorating a page, one with javascript, the other is to inject more DOM nodes
15:15:30 <Steven> Charlie: We do both
15:16:06 <Steven> John: People who care about strict conformance, will start looking at runtime DOMs
15:17:04 <Steven> ... in Dojo you can inject elements, that cause more Dojo elements to be inserted, so that the DOM is no longer 'valid'
15:17:41 <Steven> ... some people care about that
15:18:28 <Steven> Charlie: Standardisation may be necessary on the lifecycle of the document
15:18:38 <Steven> ... and how the DOMs get extended
15:19:06 <Steven> ... we shouldn't care *what* does it
15:19:40 <Steven> ... I use Dojo in 4.2 as an example
15:20:14 <Steven> John: ANother candiadte example, is focusin vs DOMfocusin
15:20:20 <Steven> s/AN/An/
15:20:29 <Steven> s/iad/ida/
15:20:57 <Steven> ... in Ubiquity we produce web-based input elements from the Forms input element
15:21:02 <Steven> ... but what has the focus?
15:21:24 <Steven> ... is there only one DOM?
15:21:29 <Steven> q+
15:21:34 <jackjansen> q-
15:21:49 <Steven> Charlie: The issue arrived in Dojo too
15:22:00 <Steven> s/arrived/arises/
15:23:03 <John_Boyer> there's the source document that I think about when authoring the app, so I want to write event handlers, e.g. DOMFocusIn, relative to xf:input, but an xf:input gets decorated with a web input, which receives the "focusin"
15:23:34 <John_Boyer> so two things have the focus, technically
15:23:56 <Steven> Steven: I think the issue is the same as in compilation
15:24:06 <jackjansen> q+ to note we have 6 minutes left... Do we need to parcel out work?
15:24:13 <Steven> as long as you get the right user experience according to the input code, all is fine
15:24:38 <jackjansen> q-
15:25:21 <Steven> Charlie: Would you like to add to section 4.7 on Standardisation?
15:25:41 <Steven> Steven: If there were a WG, that would be what it did. Do you want more sketched out?
15:26:28 <wiecha> http://www.amplesdk.com/reference/#/ample/overview/lifetime.xml
15:27:38 <Steven> Charlie: We could abstract from the example givenin the link
15:27:46 <Steven> s/given/given /
15:28:14 <Steven> Charlie: I will push on other parts of section 4
15:28:26 <Steven> ... Jack, John, any bits you want to own?
15:28:31 <Steven> ... SMIL?
15:29:02 <Steven> Jack: Which should I write?
15:30:29 <Steven> Charlie: 5.5.1
15:30:36 <Steven> Jack: I'll look through it
15:31:04 <Steven> Charlie: I'm working on the diagrams
15:31:33 <Steven> Steven: I can help if you send me some sketches
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