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13:41:58 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_XHTML2
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13:41:59 <trackbot> Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference
13:41:59 <trackbot> Date: 23 September 2009
13:42:20 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Sep/0021
13:44:13 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Sep/0021
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13:46:32 <Zakim> +McCarron
13:47:11 <Zakim> +Tina
13:47:13 <Zakim> -Tina
13:47:13 <Zakim> +Tina
13:47:41 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
13:47:44 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
13:47:47 <Zakim> +Steven
13:51:14 <Steven> Scribe: Steven
13:51:19 <Steven> Topic: PERs
13:51:38 <Steven> Shane: I updated the three specs in the drafts area
13:51:46 <Steven> ... and produced a DoC for 1.1
13:51:51 <Steven> ... the other two had no issues
13:52:44 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts/
13:52:45 <ShaneM> XHTML 1.1 draft DoC is at http://htmlwg.mn.aptest.com/htmlwg/xhtml11-per-doc-20090916.html
13:53:00 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/ED-xhtml11-20090916/
13:53:16 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/ED-xhtml-basic-20090916/
13:53:31 <Steven> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/ED-xhtml-print-20090916/
13:54:14 <Steven> Steven: Did we set all version of XML? Did we set them all to 4?
13:54:43 <Steven> Shane: Yes, because M12N uses that, and v5 changes normative requirements wrt name tokens
13:55:19 <Steven> Steven: Let's just check the Rejects in the DoC
13:57:06 <Steven> ... they look OK
13:57:20 <Steven> ... I think then that that means we are ready to go
13:57:53 <Steven> ... but I'd like the group to have time to look at the docs, till the end of the week?
13:57:56 <Steven> Shane: Sure
13:58:20 <Steven> Steven: ANd then I'll contact Ralph and plh to let them look at the docs before I formally ask for transition
13:58:25 <Steven> s/SN/Sn/
13:58:31 <Steven> s/AN/An/
13:59:01 <Steven> Steven: Are there any more issues wrt the PERs?
14:01:00 <Steven> Topic: DOM3 Events
14:01:01 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Jul/0008.html
14:01:35 <Steven> RRSAgent`Steven: As we talked about last week, they are taking out namespaced events
14:01:48 <Steven> ... we'd be planning on that anyway
14:04:00 <Steven> ... and nobody depends on them
14:04:22 <Steven> ... Mark has pointed out that you could still have namespaced events in the syntax, and map them to the API if wanted
14:04:43 <Steven> ... but the other part is that they are deprecating (most of) the DOM* events, like DOMActivate
14:04:53 <Steven> ... and I don't really understand why.
14:06:12 <Steven> http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html
14:06:22 <Steven> Shane: Do they have replacements?
14:06:34 <Steven> Steven: I think so
14:09:15 <Steven> Steven: Sorry, it's not DOMActivate, that has been retained
14:09:23 <Steven> ... but DOMFocusIn for instance
14:10:03 <Steven> Shane: From XML Events2, we don't care
14:10:57 <Steven> Steven: I think it only indirectly affects us, via XForms
14:11:07 <Steven> ... and we can leave the discussions to them
14:11:26 <Zakim> -McCarron
14:12:33 <Zakim> +ShaneM
14:13:48 <Steven> Topic: AOB
14:13:59 <Steven> SDhane: We should press forward with the update to M12N 1.1
14:14:05 <Steven> s/SD/S/
14:14:24 <Steven> Steven: Are they all issues in the DB?
14:14:39 <Steven> Shane: I'll create an issues doc
14:14:43 <Steven> ... and post it
14:15:15 <Steven> Tina: I would like to discuss before December what we will do with @version
14:15:27 <Steven> ... and how to determine if it is XHTML2
14:15:37 <Steven> ... I do an automated testing tool
14:15:44 <ShaneM> didn't we agree to use @version ?
14:15:52 <Steven> ... and we test based on the language
14:16:21 <Steven> Shane: THen it is in the DOM
14:16:29 <Steven> Tina: That's all I need
14:16:34 <Steven> s/TH/Th/
14:22:40 <Steven> Steven: Do we have a problem with using a new namespace?
14:23:00 <Steven> Tina: They don't use the namespace for identification
14:23:06 <Steven> Steven: They might one day
14:23:16 <Steven> ... browsers do do some sniffing
14:23:43 <Steven> ... we should do some experiemtns
14:24:32 <Steven> Tina: We still need to be able to identify a document as XHTML2
14:24:45 <Steven> Steven: Yes, especially if you are going to server-side process it
14:24:58 <Steven> [ADJOURN]
14:25:03 <Zakim> -ShaneM
14:25:04 <Zakim> -Steven
14:25:06 <Zakim> -Tina
14:25:06 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended
14:25:07 <Zakim> Attendees were McCarron, Tina, Steven, ShaneM
14:25:15 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
14:25:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
14:25:55 <Steven> Chair: Steven
14:26:04 <Steven> Regrets: Alessio
14:26:23 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
14:26:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
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