IRC log of forms on 2009-09-23

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14:43:49 [RRSAgent]: RRSAgent has joined #forms
14:43:49 [RRSAgent]: logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-forms-irc
14:43:56 [John_Boyer]: zakim, this will be forms
14:43:56 [Zakim]: ok, John_Boyer, I see HTML_Forms()10:45AM already started
14:44:02 [John_Boyer]: rrsagent, make log public
14:44:14 [Zakim]: - +45.36.95.aaaa
14:44:14 [John_Boyer]: Meeting: Weekly Forms WG Teleconference
14:44:16 [Zakim]: HTML_Forms()10:45AM has ended
14:44:16 [Zakim]: Attendees were +45.36.95.aaaa
14:45:10 [Steven]: trackbot, start telecon
14:45:12 [trackbot]: RRSAgent, make logs public
14:45:14 [trackbot]: Zakim, this will be HTML_Forms
14:45:15 [trackbot]: Meeting: Forms Working Group Teleconference
14:45:15 [trackbot]: Date: 23 September 2009
14:45:15 [Zakim]: ok, trackbot; I see HTML_Forms()10:45AM scheduled to start now
14:45:38 [Steven]: Chair: John
14:45:47 [Zakim]: HTML_Forms()10:45AM has now started
14:45:54 [Zakim]: +mauro
14:46:00 [Zakim]: -mauro
14:46:01 [Zakim]: HTML_Forms()10:45AM has ended
14:46:01 [Zakim]: Attendees were mauro
14:46:05 [Steven]: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Sep/0033
14:46:06 [nick]: nick has joined #forms
14:46:21 [nick]: zakim, code?
14:46:21 [Zakim]: the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), nick
14:46:51 [Zakim]: HTML_Forms()10:45AM has now started
14:47:00 [Zakim]: + +45.36.95.aaaa
14:47:06 [Zakim]: + +44.323.821.aabb
14:47:06 [kenneth]: zakim, i am +45.
14:47:06 [Zakim]: +kenneth; got it
14:47:33 [nick]: zakim, who is on the phone
14:47:33 [Zakim]: I don't understand 'who is on the phone', nick
14:47:43 [nick]: zakim, who is ob the phone?
14:47:43 [Zakim]: I don't understand your question, nick.
14:47:48 [nick]: zakim, help
14:47:48 [Zakim]: Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot for more detailed help.
14:47:50 [John_Boyer]: zakim, who is here?
14:47:51 [Zakim]: Some of the commands I know are:
14:47:51 [kenneth]: zakim, who is here?
14:47:52 [Zakim]: xxx is yyy - establish yyy as the name of unknown party xxx
14:47:54 [Zakim]: if yyy is 'me' or 'I', your nick is substituted
14:47:56 [Zakim]: xxx may be yyy - establish yyy as possibly the name of unknown party xxx
14:47:59 [Zakim]: I am xxx - establish your nick as the name of unknown party xxx
14:48:01 [Zakim]: xxx holds yyy [, zzz ...] - establish xxx as a group name and yyy, etc. as participants within that group
14:48:04 [Zakim]: xxx also holds yyy - add yyy to the list of participants in group xxx
14:48:06 [Zakim]: who's here? - lists the participants on the phone
14:48:08 [Zakim]: who's muted? - lists the participants who are muted
14:48:10 [Zakim]: mute xxx - mutes party xxx (like pressing 61#)
14:48:13 [Zakim]: unmute xxx - reverses the effect of "mute" and of 61#
14:48:15 [Zakim]: is xxx here? - reports whether a party named like xxx is present
14:48:18 [Zakim]: list conferences - reports the active conferences
14:48:20 [Zakim]: this is xxx - associates this channel with conference xxx
14:48:22 [Zakim]: excuse us - disconnects from the irc channel
14:48:25 [Zakim]: I last learned something new on $Date: 2008/12/09 02:16:52 $
14:48:29 [Zakim]: On the phone I see kenneth, +44.323.821.aabb
14:48:31 [Zakim]: On IRC I see nick, RRSAgent, Zakim, John_Boyer, kenneth, Steven, trackbot
14:48:32 [klotz]: klotz has joined #forms
14:48:33 [Zakim]: On the phone I see kenneth, +44.323.821.aabb
14:48:35 [Zakim]: On IRC I see nick, RRSAgent, Zakim, John_Boyer, kenneth, Steven, trackbot
14:48:37 [Zakim]: +John_Boyer
14:48:47 [Steven]: zakim, dial steven-617
14:48:47 [Zakim]: ok, Steven; the call is being made
14:48:52 [Zakim]: +Steven
14:49:07 [nick]: zakim, who is on the phone?
14:49:07 [Zakim]: On the phone I see kenneth, +44.323.821.aabb, John_Boyer, Steven
14:49:27 [Zakim]: +Leigh_Klotz
14:53:00 [John_Boyer]: scribe: Leigh
14:53:49 [John_Boyer]: Regrets: Uli, Erik
14:53:57 [kenneth]: http://picoforms.com/picowidgetsolution/screenshots
14:55:28 [Steven]: XHTML Basic 1.1
14:57:50 [klotz]: ACTION: Kenneth Sklander to send to list suggestions for inputMode tests.
14:57:50 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-567 - Sklander to send to list suggestions for inputMode tests. [on Kenneth Sklander - due 2009-09-30].
14:58:29 [nick]: Kenneth do you have a standard mapping JSON<->XML?
15:03:06 [klotz]: ACTION: Kenneth Sklander to send to list information about lossy-but-convenient JSON-to-XML transformation.
15:03:06 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-568 - Sklander to send to list information about lossy-but-convenient JSON-to-XML transformation. [on Kenneth Sklander - due 2009-09-30].
15:04:09 [John_Boyer]: http://www.w3.org/2002/Forms/Activity.html
15:06:18 [nick]: I think 'the existing XForms is being modularized' is outdated
15:06:41 [Zakim]: +[IBM]
15:08:14 [wiecha]: wiecha has joined #forms
15:10:45 [nick]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Jul/att-0045/2009-07-29.html
15:10:52 [nick]: Ramifications of deprecating DOMActivate/DOMFocusIn/DOMFocusOut
15:11:41 [klotz]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Jul/att-0045/2009-07-29.html#topic5
15:14:18 [unl]: unl has joined #forms
15:15:38 [Zakim]: + +49.307.544.aacc
15:15:54 [unl]: zakim, +49.307.544.aacc is me
15:15:54 [Zakim]: +unl; got it
15:16:03 [John_Boyer]: Regrets-Uli
15:20:13 [John_Boyer]: rrsagent, make minutes
15:20:13 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-forms-minutes.html John_Boyer
15:24:16 [klotz]: http://www.dojotoolkit.org/forum/dojo-core-dojo-0-9/dojo-core-support/dom-events-supported-dojo-documentation
15:24:51 [nick]: http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-DOM-Level-3-Events-20090908/#event-type-focus
15:25:49 [nick]: from spec: An event target receives focus. The focus shall be given to the element before the dispatch of this event type. This event type shall be dispatched after the event type focus. This event type is deprecated in favor of the equivalent event type focusin.
15:26:07 [nick]: (text of DOMFocusIn)
15:33:05 [klotz]: Why apple is betting their business on HTML5: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/09/19/why_apple_is_betting_on_html_5_a_web_history.html
15:33:49 [nick]: I personally think the UI events should be defined in a separate UI spec, because the UI events won't occur on my data DOM, but they shouldn't be defined in HTML5, then I prefer DOM Level 3 events
15:34:53 [nick]: DOM Level3 events should contain the mutation events
15:40:09 [nick]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2009Jul/0017.html
15:40:42 [nick]: (focusin vs DOMFocusIn e-mail we also discussed in July)
15:45:15 [unl]: zakim, mute me
15:45:15 [Zakim]: unl should now be muted
15:45:59 [Steven]: Agenda+new PR comments
15:51:30 [Steven]: http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html
15:51:44 [nick]: http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-DOM-Level-3-Events-20090908/Overview.html
15:53:59 [Steven]: http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#events-uievent-event-order
15:54:17 [Steven]: http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#events-uievent-event-order
15:54:46 [Steven]: [user shifts focus] focusin (before first target element receives focus) focus (after first target element receives focus) DOMFocusIn (if supported) [user shifts focus] focusout (before first target element loses focus) focusin (before second target element receives focus) blur (after first target element loses focus) DOMFocusOut (if supported) focus (after second target element receives focus) DOMFocusIn (if supported)
16:02:14 [John_Boyer]: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/xforms2009/results
16:02:41 [Steven]: The relationship with XPath 2.0 Functions & Opertor is not clear, and it seems like there will be some trouble reusing existing implementation of this recommandation. That should be clarified. Please update the reference section : * XML Base has now a second edition since january 2009 * XHTML Modularisation has been updated to 1.1 since october 2008 * SOAP Version 1.2 has now a second edition since april 2007
16:03:03 [klotz]: s/ The relationship with XPath 2.0 Functions & Opertor is not clear, and it seems like there will be some trouble reusing existing implementation of this recommandation. That should be clarified. Please update the reference section : * XML Base has now a second edition since january 2009 * XHTML Modularisation has been updated to 1.1 since october 2008 * SOAP Version 1.2 has now a second edition since april 2007//
16:03:45 [klotz]: s/The relationship with XPath 2.0 Functions & Opertor is not clear, and it seems like there will be some trouble reusing existing implementation of this recommandation. That should be clarified. Please update the reference section : * XML Base has now a second edition since january 2009 * XHTML Modularisation has been updated to 1.1 since october 2008 * SOAP Version 1.2 has now a second edition since april 2007//
16:13:15 [Zakim]: -Steven
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16:18:27 [Zakim]: -[IBM]
16:18:28 [Zakim]: -kenneth
16:18:28 [Zakim]: -John_Boyer
16:18:29 [Zakim]: -unl
16:18:30 [Zakim]: - +44.323.821.aabb
16:18:52 [John_Boyer]: rrsagent, make minutes
16:18:52 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/09/23-forms-minutes.html John_Boyer
16:19:10 [John_Boyer]: John_Boyer has left #forms
16:23:30 [Zakim]: disconnecting the lone participant, Leigh_Klotz, in HTML_Forms()10:45AM
16:23:34 [Zakim]: HTML_Forms()10:45AM has ended
16:23:36 [Zakim]: Attendees were +45.36.95.aaaa, +44.323.821.aabb, kenneth, John_Boyer, Steven, Leigh_Klotz, [IBM], unl