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14:59:48 <Norm> Meeting: XML Processing Model WG
14:59:48 <Norm> Date: 17 Sep 2009
14:59:48 <Norm> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2009/09/10-agenda
14:59:48 <Norm> Meeting: 153
14:59:48 <Norm> Chair: Norm
14:59:50 <Norm> Scribe: Norm
14:59:52 <Norm> ScribeNick: Norm
15:00:46 <Norm> Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:00:46 <Zakim> sorry, Norm, I don't know what conference this is
15:00:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, alexmilowski, PGrosso, Norm, ht
15:00:49 <Norm> Zakim, this is xproc
15:00:49 <Zakim> ok, Norm; that matches XML_PMWG()11:00AM
15:00:51 <PGrosso> Zakim, this is xproc
15:00:51 <Zakim> PGrosso, this was already XML_PMWG()11:00AM
15:00:52 <Norm> Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:00:53 <Zakim> ok, PGrosso; that matches XML_PMWG()11:00AM
15:00:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see [ArborText], Norm
15:01:08 <Zakim> +Alex_Milows
15:01:09 <Zakim> +Vojtech
15:01:34 <ht> rebooting, with you shortly
15:02:07 <Zakim> +Ht
15:02:34 <Norm> Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:02:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see PGrosso, Norm, Alex_Milows, Vojtech, Ht
15:02:51 <Norm> Present: Paul, Norm, Alex, Vojtech, Henry
15:02:55 <Norm> Regrets: Mohamed
15:05:32 <Norm> Topic: Accept this agenda?
15:05:32 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2009/09/17-agenda
15:05:57 <Norm> Accepted.
15:06:03 <Norm> Topic: Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
15:06:03 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2009/09/10-minutes
15:06:06 <Norm> Accepted.
15:06:12 <Norm> Topic: Next meeting: telcon 1 Oct 2009
15:06:54 <Norm> Vojtech gives regrets for 1 Oct.
15:07:14 <Norm> Topic: Comments on draft
15:07:23 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2008/11/cr-comments/
15:07:38 <Norm> Topic: 162 No binding for a non-primary input port
15:07:51 <Norm> Vojtech: Close this one; latest editor's draft solves this one.
15:08:06 <Norm> Topic: 163 Output port may be connected to...
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15:08:38 <Norm> Vojtech: For the declared outputs, the spec outputs now says that it may be connected to the xpath context for some other step.
15:09:08 <Norm> Norm: Ok. I tried to make that clear, but failed. I'll expand on that.
15:09:26 <Norm> Norm: I'll enumerate all the cases.
15:09:35 <Norm> Vojtech: Or if you can generalize it somehow...I don't know.
15:11:04 <Norm> Vojtech: In the same section, an "output port may be connected to more than one input port."
15:11:17 <Norm> ...Could that be misleading because in a compound step it could be the output of a contained step?
15:11:21 <Norm> Norm: Uhm...maybe.
15:11:36 <Norm> Norm: Maybe "an output port may have more than one binding"?
15:11:53 <Norm> Vojtech: I'm not sure if binding is the right thing. We use both binding and being connected. I think sometimes they mean different things.
15:12:59 <Norm> Norm: I'll make an attempt to finesse this somehow.
15:15:06 <Norm> Vojtech: Is this section confusing wrt atomic and compound steps?
15:15:08 <Norm> Norm: Yes, probably.
15:15:44 <Norm> Norm: I need to fix this.
15:16:33 <Norm> Topic: 164 Bag-merge definition
15:17:22 <Norm> Vojtech explains his concern.
15:17:44 <Norm> Henry: A quick survey of the likely specs didn't turn up a good definition, which surprised me a bit.
15:18:06 <Norm> ...If "unordered collection which allows duplicates" is better...
15:18:21 <Norm> ...The problem is that any of these work, the question is which ones will work for which people.
15:18:45 <Norm> ...I can try harder to find a definition in the literature.
15:20:06 <Norm> Norm: I don't know if "unordered collection" carries the implication that duplicates are allowed or not.
15:20:11 <Norm> ...I'd be just as happy to leave it, I think.
15:20:29 <Norm> Topic: 165 Step type exports definition
15:22:00 <Norm> Some discussion of how to fix the markup
15:22:19 <Norm> Henry will edit the XML and check it back in.
15:24:30 <Norm> Topic: Publish a heartbeat document?
15:24:51 <Norm> Proposal: Publish a new CR draft to satisfy our heartbeat requirements.
15:24:54 <Norm> Accepted.
15:25:45 <alexmilowski> (time for me to go take Max to school)
15:25:55 <Norm> Topic: Default XML Processing Model
15:26:03 <Norm> Norm: Henry, anything to work on this week?
15:26:04 <Zakim> -Alex_Milows
15:26:10 <Norm> Henry: No, no progress yet.
15:29:25 <Zakim> -Ht
15:29:39 <ht> Didn't mean to hang up -- are we done?
15:30:13 <Norm> uhm
15:30:20 <Norm> I was going to reload the doc and let folks look at it
15:30:49 <Norm> Topic: Any other business?
15:31:02 <Norm> Adjourned.
15:31:06 <Zakim> -Vojtech
15:31:06 <Zakim> -Norm
15:31:07 <Zakim> XML_PMWG()11:00AM has ended
15:31:08 <Zakim> Attendees were Norm, PGrosso, Alex_Milows, Vojtech, Ht
15:31:10 <Norm> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
15:31:15 <Norm> rrsagent draft-minutes
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15:31:34 <Norm> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:31:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/09/17-xproc-minutes.html Norm
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16:17:23 <ht> Have you updated?  I don't see a change yet. . .
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