IRC log of xhtml on 2009-09-16

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Zakim, this will be IA_XHTML2

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Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 16 September 2009

13:47:01 [Steven]

zakim, who is here?

13:47:01 [Zakim]

On the phone I see ShaneM

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On IRC I see RRSAgent, mgylling, Tina, Jonathan, Steven, trackbot

13:47:09 [Steven]

zakim, dial steven-617

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ok, Steven; the call is being made

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+Steven

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+ +04670602aaaa

13:47:54 [mgylling]

Zakim, aaaa is mgylling

13:47:54 [Zakim]

+mgylling; got it

13:48:28 [Steven]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Sep/0012

13:48:34 [Steven]

Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Sep/0012

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+ +0468645aabb

13:48:43 [Tina]

Zakim, aabb is Tina

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+Tina; got it

13:50:34 [Steven]

Topic: DoC

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Shane: Oh I forgot to produce it!

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... I'll do it now

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Steven: Hopefully we can resolve to go to PER again next week

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Topic: DOM3 Events

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scribe: Steven

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Steven: A heads up that addEventListenerNS and removeEventListenerNS are at risk

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... http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Sep/0011

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Shane: I don't think we rely on this

13:54:42 [Steven]

Steven: You think the NS os for the element and not the event?

13:54:44 [Steven]

Shane: Yes

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Steven: I'll ask the XForms implementors

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... see what they say

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Topic: Work for the rest of the year.

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http://beta.w3.org/TR/tr-groups-all.html

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Steven: Get the PERs out, transfer docs to groups that are taking them over (Events, role?, access)

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... publish notes, such as media types

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+hhalpin

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zakim, hhalpin is Allessio

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+Allessio; got it

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Steven: ANd then find a home for XHTML2 and M12Nv2

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s/AN/An/

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-mgylling

14:05:43 [Steven]

Shane: I riased with plh about updating M12N(1.1), and plh was OK with that. I think ther are a couple of changes

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s/ria/rai/

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+mgylling

14:06:32 [Steven]

Steven: Yes, @usemap

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Shane: There a number of minor things

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s/ a /are a /

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Steven: Good, then we'll add that to the list

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Topic: messages on www-html-editor

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2009JulSep/0007

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Steven: Even though we're not updating 1.0, it would be polite to reply

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... do you remember if this was deliberate?

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Shane: I don't

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... my gut feeling is that it's an omission

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Steven: Me too, surprised nobody mentioned it before

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Tina: It does have accessibility problems

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Steven: Agree

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Shane: But regardless

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... is it strict or transitional

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Tina: I agree it should be in there

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Shane: Strict

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... we could update the DTDs

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Tina: We could just refer him

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... we do have other things to do

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Steven: OK, I will just tell him that

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ACTION: Steven to reply to @ismap message

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Created ACTION-97 - Reply to @ismap message [on Steven Pemberton - due 2009-09-23].

14:14:20 [Steven]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2009JulSep/0006

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Shane: Not sure I agree

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... he's not saying it's wrong, just easier for validators

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Tiina: THis is a non-issue for XHTML 1.0

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s/TH/Th/

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Shane: We permit empty body deliberately

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... but he's right

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... HTML4 does not

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Steven: I'll just say he's right, but that's as far as we can take it

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2009JulSep/0005

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Steven: I haven't checked this section, but I'm assuming he's right

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Shane: He's right

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... I fixed it

14:23:50 [ShaneM]

Note - I updated xhtml1-strict.dtd and xhtml1-transitional.dtd in MarkUp/DTD

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Topic: XHTML 1.1 messages

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009May/0034

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SHane: He's not wrong

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s/SH/Sh/

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... we should say that the start tag may contain a schemalocation attributre from the xml namespace that associates ...

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... we're talking about the start tag so it would have to have the namespace declarations

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Steven: to be valid it would have to include the namespace declaration; do we really need to say that?

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Steven: Do you object to his wording

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SHane: Well, it mentions xsi:

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s/SH/Sh/

14:28:59 [Tina]

Zakim, mute me

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Tina should now be muted

14:29:04 [ShaneM]

<p><may>The start tag MAY also contain the

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declaration of the

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XML Schema Namespace and a

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<code>schemaLocation</code> attribute from that namespace

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that associates this namespace with the XML Schema at the

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URI <code><xmlschemaloc></code>.</may></p>

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<p><may>The start tag MAY also contain the declaration of the XML Schema Namespace and an XML Schema <code>schemaLocation</code> attribute. Such an attribute would associate the XHTML namespace <code><xmlns></code> with the XML Schema at the URI <code><xmlschemaloc></code>.</may></p>

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Steven: OK by me

14:32:52 [Tina]

Zakim, unmute me

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Tina should no longer be muted

14:33:48 [Steven]

Shane: So we'll update the specs with that

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Steven: And the DTD *and* schema wording from last week

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009May/0033

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Steven: This is for M12N

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SHane: This means that class can't be empty, andis Bad

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s/andis/and is/

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s/SH/Sh/

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Shane: It is vital we fixthis

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s/fix/fix /

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Jun/0003

14:37:01 [Steven]

Shane: I dealt with this

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I sent:

14:37:17 [ShaneM]

Thanks for your comment. @lang is not deprecated, and no, it does not need to be included in the module in XHTML M12N. We have chosen to incorporate it into XHTML 1.1 because several groups have demonstrated a need for it. The rules specified describe the relationship between @lang and @xml:lang.

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Steven: You are right

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Topic: AOB

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SHane: I will update the docs for next week.

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s/SH/Sh/

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-ShaneM

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-Tina

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[ADJOURN]

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-mgylling

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-Allessio

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-Steven

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IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended

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Attendees were ShaneM, Steven, +04670602aaaa, mgylling, +0468645aabb, Tina, Allessio

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/09/16-xhtml-minutes.html Steven

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Chair: Steven

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s/ther are/there are

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s/Thereare/There are

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s/Do you object to his wording/Do you object to his wording?

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/09/16-xhtml-minutes.html Steven

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