IRC log of bpwg on 2009-09-15

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Zakim, this will be BPWG
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ok, trackbot; I see MWI_BPWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 32 minutes
12:58:58 [dom]
Chair: Jo
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Meeting: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 15 September 2009
12:59:39 [dom]
Regrets: Francois, Dan, Kai, PhilA, Manrique, Alan, Ignacio, Abel, Tom
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MWI_BPWG()9:30AM has now started
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+ +1.585.278.aaaa
13:29:41 [jeffs]
aaaa is jeffs
13:29:56 [jeffs]
zakim, +1.585.278.aaaa is jeffs
13:29:56 [Zakim]
+jeffs; got it
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+??P7
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brucel
13:31:56 [dom]
zakim, ??P7 is probably brucel
13:31:56 [Zakim]
+brucel?; got it
13:32:09 [Zakim]
+[IPcaller]
13:32:09 [brucel]
hi crazy bpwg cats
13:32:36 [Zakim]
+Dom
13:32:44 [dom]
zakim, [IPcaller] is Yeliz
13:32:44 [Zakim]
+Yeliz; got it
13:33:03 [dom]
zakim, who's noisy?
13:33:08 [jeffs]
zakim, who is noisy?
13:33:14 [Zakim]
dom, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Yeliz (100%)
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+ +34.98.439.aabb
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+ +41.31.972.aacc
13:33:25 [Zakim]
jeffs, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Yeliz (94%)
13:33:40 [adam]
zakim,code?
13:33:41 [Zakim]
the conference code is 2794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), adam
13:33:44 [dom]
zakim, mute yeliz
13:33:44 [Zakim]
Yeliz should now be muted
13:33:59 [dom]
zakim, list attendees
13:33:59 [Zakim]
As of this point the attendees have been jeffs, brucel?, Dom, Yeliz, +34.98.439.aabb, +41.31.972.aacc, miguel
13:34:53 [EdC]
zakim, aacc is EdC
13:34:53 [Zakim]
+EdC; got it
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+ +0207881aadd
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13:35:13 [brucel]
is there an agenda today?
13:35:23 [adam]
zakim, aadd is me
13:35:23 [Zakim]
+adam; got it
13:35:37 [dom]
Agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/4AAF3F18.5020409@mtld.mobi
13:35:38 [jeffs]
agenda went out via email
13:35:38 [Zakim]
+ +1.630.414.aaee
13:35:44 [SeanP]
Zakim, aaee is me
13:35:44 [Zakim]
+SeanP; got it
13:36:16 [brucel]
thx dom
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zakim, code?
13:37:40 [Zakim]
the conference code is 2794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jo
13:37:54 [dom]
zakim, pick a victim
13:37:54 [Zakim]
Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose miguel
13:38:02 [dom]
zakim, pick a victim
13:38:02 [Zakim]
Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Yeliz (muted)
13:38:04 [dom]
zakim, pick a victim
13:38:05 [Zakim]
Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose adam
13:38:07 [dom]
zakim, pick a victim
13:38:07 [Zakim]
Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose jeffs
13:38:17 [EdC]
OK, I will do it.
13:38:27 [dom]
ScribeNick: EdC
13:38:30 [dom]
Scribe: Ed
13:38:32 [Zakim]
+ +0208995aaff
13:38:45 [jo]
zakim, aaff is me
13:38:45 [Zakim]
+jo; got it
13:40:03 [dom]
-> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/37584/tpac2009-2/results Results of survey on F2F meeting at TPAC
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Topic: F2F meeting
13:40:26 [jeffs]
will hopefully know later this week if I will be in Trinidad in November & thus unable to attend the TPAC/F2F or in the States & attending
13:40:37 [EdC]
Topic F2F meeting. Results of the survey indicate that it is not going to take place as originally planned.
13:41:11 [dom]
ACTION: francois to cancel TPAC F2F for BPWG
13:41:11 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-1004 - Cancel TPAC F2F for BPWG [on François Daoust - due 2009-09-22].
13:41:13 [EdC]
New objective is to find an place in Europe and a suitable date. Is it an urgent task?
13:42:04 [EdC]
Dom: decisions must be made 8 weeks in advance.
13:43:18 [EdC]
Jo: tentatively week on the 16th November.
13:43:41 [EdC]
Jo: provide an alternative in Europe early December.
13:44:40 [dom]
ACTION: Francois to set up a survey to find dates for F2F, either week of Nov 16, Nov 30 or Dec 7, and ask for hosting offers in Europe
13:44:40 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-1005 - Set up a survey to find dates for F2F, either week of Nov 16, Nov 30 or Dec 7, and ask for hosting offers in Europe [on François Daoust - due 2009-09-22].
13:44:41 [EdC]
Jo: we must action François to make yet another poll (2009-11-16, or 2009-11-30, or possibly 2009-12-07).
13:45:09 [dom]
zakim, unmute me yeliz
13:45:09 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'unmute me yeliz', dom
13:45:14 [dom]
Topic: Integration of MobileOK Checker into Eclipse
13:45:17 [dom]
zakim, unmute yeliz
13:45:17 [Zakim]
Yeliz should no longer be muted
13:45:17 [EdC]
Topic MobileOK checked and Eclipse.
13:45:32 [EdC]
Yeliz's line is very poor.
13:46:03 [jeffs]
zakim, who is making noise?
13:46:05 [jo]
Topic: MobileOK checked and Eclipse
13:46:13 [Zakim]
jeffs, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: jo (86%)
13:46:33 [jo]
s/Topic: MobileOK checked and Eclipse//
13:46:37 [dom]
-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mobileok-checker/2009Sep/0004.html Yeliz message on wrapping mobileOK checker for Eclipse
13:46:38 [EdC]
Jo: current proposal is to provide a plugin for Eclipse into the source-control tree of mobileOk checker.
13:47:01 [EdC]
Yeliz: This is a proposal to solve issues with external libraries.
13:47:31 [EdC]
Yeliz: this requires additional files, but does not entail code change.
13:47:45 [jo]
s/Topic MobileOK checked and Eclipse./Topic: MobileOK checker and Eclipse.
13:48:01 [dom]
[sounds good to me]
13:48:33 [Zakim]
-Dom
13:48:34 [EdC]
Jo: no resolution required, but personally the feeling is to go ahead and do it.
13:48:55 [EdC]
Yeliz: will go on with the work and implementing the plugin.
13:49:18 [EdC]
Topic MWABP 2.
13:49:20 [Zakim]
+Dom
13:49:27 [dom]
s/Topic /Topic: /
13:49:42 [dom]
-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2009Sep/0019.html Adam's plea for a resolution on SVG and canvas
13:49:50 [EdC]
Adam: major topic remaining is SVG/Canvas. We should arrive at a consensus soon in order to finalize the document.
13:50:10 [EdC]
Jo: Is there a proposed resolution? There has been discussion going on.
13:50:22 [brucel]
permission to speak?
13:50:29 [dom]
q+ brucel
13:50:40 [dom]
ack brucel
13:50:52 [EdC]
Adam: Not being an expert on Canvas, difficult to settle alone the matter. Jeff and EdC have expressed their opinion, might propose something.
13:51:18 [jo]
ack b
13:51:42 [EdC]
Bruce: canvas accessibility is limited. SVG is currently more accessible than canvas, worth a clear mention in the text.
13:51:58 [jo]
-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2009Sep/0017.html Eduardo's Proposed Text
13:52:05 [jeffs]
yes, svg is more accessible like is avail to dom
13:52:10 [jeffs]
worth adding
13:52:12 [dom]
s/dom/DOM/
13:52:24 [EdC]
Jo: not much feedback on that text. Except for Rotan.
13:52:32 [brucel]
ok, will feedback to Edouardo's text before end of week
13:52:48 [brucel]
(had escaped my attention previously)
13:53:08 [EdC]
Adam: the text is too detailed and long, but can serve as a starting point.
13:53:15 [jeffs]
suggestion: whoever rewrites adds accessibility statement
13:53:21 [dom]
ACTION: Bruce to send feedback on Eduardo's proposal on Canvas & SVG http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2009Sep/0017.html - due September 18
13:53:21 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-1006 - send feedback on Eduardo's proposal on Canvas & SVG http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2009Sep/0017.html [on Bruce Lawson - due 2009-09-18].
13:53:49 [EdC]
Jo: we do not mention proprietary technologies explicitly, though we may mention that some exist.
13:53:56 [jeffs]
+1
13:54:21 [EdC]
Jo: so explicit mentions of proprietary technologies should be eliminated.
13:54:24 [jeffs]
q+
13:54:24 [EdC]
+1
13:54:40 [dom]
q+ to ask about last call eta?
13:54:47 [jo]
ack jeffs
13:54:48 [EdC]
Adam: we are almost there with the document.
13:55:25 [dom]
ack me
13:55:25 [Zakim]
dom, you wanted to ask about last call eta?
13:55:26 [EdC]
Jeff: suggest that accessibility issues must be included in the draft.
13:55:45 [EdC]
Dom: what is remaining to be done before a last call?
13:56:01 [EdC]
Jo: a resolution of the group is required.
13:56:21 [dom]
-> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/products/14 11 open action items on mwabp
13:56:21 [EdC]
Dom: However, there are quite a number of issues/actions remaining to be discharged. What is the situation?
13:56:56 [EdC]
Adam: we nailed many of them last time we went through. Unclear about what is blocking the cleanup of the action items.
13:57:18 [EdC]
Dom: Somebody should go systematically through these items and check them carefully.
13:57:46 [EdC]
Dom: When is a draft expected to be ready?
13:57:50 [EdC]
Adam: by the end of the week.
13:58:05 [EdC]
Dom: hopefully we can decide upon a last call next week during the teleconference.
13:58:19 [EdC]
Topic BP 1.5.
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s/Topic /Topic: /
13:58:54 [dom]
-> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/TaskForces/mobileOKPro/drafts/ED-mobileOK-pro10-tests-20090914 Latest editors draft of BP 1.5
13:58:57 [EdC]
Jo: there is a draft. Next step is to agree to launch a last call.
13:59:19 [jeffs]
+1
13:59:22 [EdC]
Jo: still wants to perform a last review.
13:59:43 [EdC]
Jo: let us plan to take a final resolution on it next week.
14:00:06 [jo]
s/still wants to perform a last review. /people should review over the next week
14:00:10 [Zakim]
-Dom
14:00:22 [EdC]
Topic: CT guidelines
14:00:43 [EdC]
Jo: shows contrition at not having moved forward with his action points.
14:01:16 [EdC]
Jo: François made a call for tests. No progress has been reported in this area.
14:01:32 [Zakim]
+Dom
14:01:32 [dom]
q+
14:01:33 [jo]
claiming sickness and worse fo not being ale to carry out his action points ...
14:01:41 [jo]
ack d
14:02:26 [SeanP]
q+
14:02:26 [EdC]
Dom: Regarding the call for tests, a possible source would be to ask CT vendors (Google, Novarra, etc). Do they have test suites that they could contribute to W3C?
14:02:43 [jo]
ack s
14:02:45 [EdC]
Dom: If so, we could make a lot of progress faster.
14:03:04 [dom]
ACTION: Sean to check if novarra has tests they could contribute for CT guidelines
14:03:04 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-1007 - Check if novarra has tests they could contribute for CT guidelines [on Sean Patterson - due 2009-09-22].
14:03:11 [EdC]
SeanP: Might have a few tests, but not all relevant or really suitable for the CT.
14:03:48 [EdC]
Dom: Bruce and Adam could perhaps check within their organization about availability of test suites.
14:03:53 [dom]
ACTION: Adam to check if Google has tests they could contribute for CT guidelines
14:03:53 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-1008 - Check if Google has tests they could contribute for CT guidelines [on Adam Connors - due 2009-09-22].
14:03:56 [brucel]
will do.
14:04:06 [dom]
ACTION: Bruce to check if Opera has tests they could contribute for CT guidelines
14:04:06 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-1009 - Check if Opera has tests they could contribute for CT guidelines [on Bruce Lawson - due 2009-09-22].
14:04:22 [EdC]
Topic: Issue 296
14:04:40 [EdC]
Jeff: Contribution of Jonathan was answered by Jeff.
14:05:15 [dom]
zakim, mute me
14:05:15 [Zakim]
Dom should now be muted
14:05:21 [jo]
s/Jeff:/Jo:
14:05:27 [EdC]
Jeff: The basic idea: there is a change in the mobile environment. Current mindset in W3C is general phone / feature phone. Jonathan contends that smartphone should now be the primary target for standardization.
14:06:11 [EdC]
Jo: We have discussed the topic many time. We are considering about a device with basic Web capabilities -- not specific form factors.
14:07:08 [jeffs]
q+
14:07:24 [EdC]
Jo: It is basically ok to refer to the capabilities corresponding to those of feature phones, but this does not mean that we are focussing on those specific models of phones.
14:07:53 [EdC]
Jo: We must note that there are mobiles that are not phones, but that have Web capabilities.
14:07:53 [jo]
ack j
14:08:23 [dom]
s/Issue 296/ISSUE-296/
14:08:27 [dom]
ISSUE-296?
14:08:27 [trackbot]
ISSUE-296 -- "feature phone vs. smartphone, which handsets will make large web traffic ?" -- OPEN
14:08:27 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/296
14:09:14 [EdC]
Jeff: What is needed is to take into account developments that render phones are no longer just Web-capable devices, but handsets endowed with further capabilities (e.g. location). And these are becoming widespread -- and thus should be the target of standardization.
14:09:20 [jeffs]
q+
14:09:35 [EdC]
Jo: Careful about the charter: we deal with mobile Web best practices -- not mobile phones best practices.
14:09:36 [dom]
s/Topic: F2F meeting/Topic: F2F meeting (ISSUE-299)/
14:09:47 [jo]
ack j
14:10:38 [EdC]
Jeff: This is something to keep in mind as we reach the end of the current activities.
14:10:48 [EdC]
Jo: To close this issue -- a resolution.
14:12:29 [jo]
PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Close ISSUE-296 recognising that Jonathan makes an important point about the growth of smartphone as opposed to feature phone but that the BPWG is about Mobile Devices not mobile phones specifically, so we must take into account minimal Web access capability from any device, not just phones, important though that is
14:12:51 [dom]
(works for me)
14:12:56 [SeanP]
+1
14:13:26 [EdC]
+1
14:13:30 [miguel]
+1
14:13:35 [EdC]
RESOLUTION: Close ISSUE-296 recognising that Jonathan makes an important point about the growth of smartphone as opposed to feature phone but that the BPWG is about Mobile Devices not mobile phones specifically, so we must take into account minimal Web access capability from any device, not just phones, important though that is
14:13:36 [jo]
RESOLUTION: Close ISSUE-296 recognising that Jonathan makes an important point about the growth of smartphone as opposed to feature phone but that the BPWG is about Mobile Devices not mobile phones specifically, so we must take into account minimal Web access capability from any device, not just phones, important though that is
14:13:39 [dom]
close ISSUE-296
14:13:39 [trackbot]
ISSUE-296 "feature phone vs. smartphone, which handsets will make large web traffic ?" closed
14:14:15 [jeffs]
is this true? "BPWG is about Mobile Devices not mobile phones specifically"
14:14:25 [jeffs]
hmmmmmm
14:14:34 [jeffs]
move on
14:15:06 [EdC]
Jo: Let us look at pending issues and actions.
14:15:29 [dom]
-> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/products/14 Action items related to MWABP
14:15:33 [jo]
-> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/products/14 Open Actions on BP2
14:15:53 [dom]
Topic: Action items review
14:16:05 [jo]
ACTION-873?
14:16:05 [trackbot]
ACTION-873 -- Daniel Appelquist to provide some words on conservative use of resources -- due 2008-10-28 -- OPEN
14:16:05 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/873
14:16:05 [EdC]
Adam: 873 may well be obsolete.
14:16:22 [dom]
close ACTION-873
14:16:22 [trackbot]
ACTION-873 Provide some words on conservative use of resources closed
14:16:33 [jo]
ACTION-911
14:16:36 [dom]
ACTION-911?
14:16:36 [trackbot]
ACTION-911 -- Jeffrey Sonstein to get Prof. Bogaard at RIT to review SVG materials and suggest how/if to address in BP -- due 2009-03-10 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:16:36 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/911
14:17:15 [EdC]
Jeff: nothing more is really needed at this point. We can close it.
14:17:17 [dom]
close ACTION-911
14:17:17 [trackbot]
ACTION-911 Get Prof. Bogaard at RIT to review SVG materials and suggest how/if to address in BP closed
14:17:23 [dom]
ACTION-918?
14:17:23 [trackbot]
ACTION-918 -- Daniel Appelquist to write a relevant section at Webapps Wiki to act as reference for On MWABP 1.3.2 DKA -- due 2009-04-01 -- OPEN
14:17:23 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/918
14:17:48 [dom]
close ACTION-918
14:17:48 [trackbot]
ACTION-918 Write a relevant section at Webapps Wiki to act as reference for On MWABP 1.3.2 DKA closed
14:17:52 [dom]
ACTION-924?
14:17:52 [trackbot]
ACTION-924 -- Daniel Appelquist to and Jeffs to wander the highways and byways of SVG and Canvas and cook something up for the group's approval -- due 2009-04-02 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:17:52 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/924
14:17:53 [jeffs]
924 and 958 are really the same thing
14:18:03 [dom]
close ACTION-924
14:18:03 [trackbot]
ACTION-924 And Jeffs to wander the highways and byways of SVG and Canvas and cook something up for the group's approval closed
14:18:08 [dom]
ACTION-957?
14:18:08 [trackbot]
ACTION-957 -- Adam Connors to draft a BP on login forms adapting previous resolutions on the topic for discussion -- due 2009-05-05 -- OPEN
14:18:08 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/957
14:18:14 [EdC]
Jeff: this is done -- being properly baked by Adam.
14:18:27 [dom]
close ACTION-957
14:18:27 [trackbot]
ACTION-957 Draft a BP on login forms adapting previous resolutions on the topic for discussion closed
14:18:53 [dom]
ACTION-958?
14:18:53 [trackbot]
ACTION-958 -- Jeffrey Sonstein to review some of the 3.4 & 3.5 examples from the perspective of the average developer and report -- due 2009-05-18 -- OPEN
14:18:53 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/958
14:19:00 [jeffs]
I think this should be closed
14:19:12 [dom]
close ACTION-958
14:19:12 [trackbot]
ACTION-958 Review some of the 3.4 & 3.5 examples from the perspective of the average developer and report closed
14:19:15 [EdC]
Jeff: it was so long ago, no longer relevant.
14:19:20 [dom]
ACTION-964?
14:19:20 [trackbot]
ACTION-964 -- Tom Hume to review AtomDB for potential inclusion/reference in MWABP -- due 2009-06-09 -- OPEN
14:19:20 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/964
14:19:43 [EdC]
Jo: leave this action open till Tom can report.
14:20:01 [dom]
ACTION-997?
14:20:01 [trackbot]
ACTION-997 -- Adam Connors to write first text based on the listserve discussion of Media Queries -- due 2009-07-21 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:20:01 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/997
14:20:10 [EdC]
Adam: done.
14:20:11 [dom]
close ACTION-997
14:20:12 [trackbot]
ACTION-997 Write first text based on the listserve discussion of Media Queries closed
14:20:17 [dom]
ACTION-998?
14:20:17 [trackbot]
ACTION-998 -- Adam Connors to extract some useful info from the discussion around ACTION-790 and add it to the doc -- due 2009-07-21 -- OPEN
14:20:17 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/998
14:20:33 [dom]
ACTION-790?
14:20:33 [trackbot]
ACTION-790 -- Alan Chuter to produce some text around accessibility of Javascript for Web Application Best Practices -- due 2008-07-03 -- CLOSED
14:20:33 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/790
14:21:08 [EdC]
Jo: Accessibility of Javascript. Do we have anything on that.
14:21:09 [dom]
-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Sep/0081.html Alan's proposal on accessibility of javascript
14:21:39 [EdC]
Adam: kind of unclear; screen readers have problems with Javascript-based content. Thorough experimentation is missing.
14:21:56 [EdC]
Jo: Combine this with the accessibility of canvas?
14:22:04 [brucel]
too disparate
14:22:14 [EdC]
Adam: they are separate topics (though canvas is essentially Javascript).
14:22:39 [brucel]
q+
14:22:55 [jo]
ack b
14:22:56 [jeffs]
generalized statement(s) about lack of interaction between JavaScript-based technologies and acessibility needs might work
14:24:20 [EdC]
Bruce: the concept of live regions might help. There is a W3C method to go around the issues of Javascript with screen readers.
14:24:57 [EdC]
Adam: a reference to that work with a note about how to deal with the impact of Javascript on usability might be good.
14:25:18 [EdC]
Jo: so this is the new interpretation of 998.
14:25:30 [dom]
ACTION-1003?
14:25:30 [trackbot]
ACTION-1003 -- Bruce Lawson to follow up within Opera as to what exactly the XSS test scripts supplied by chaals guard against -- due 2009-09-08 -- OPEN
14:25:30 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/1003
14:26:00 [EdC]
Bruce: no feedback yet, but reply is expected soon.
14:27:29 [EdC]
Bruce: No feedback yet on action 1006, but Adam is editing the document anyway. We should note that SVG is xml and text, so is accessible (potentially). Canvas has no DOM and so accessibility hooks.
14:27:36 [dom]
close ACTION-1006
14:27:36 [trackbot]
ACTION-1006 send feedback on Eduardo's proposal on Canvas & SVG http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2009Sep/0017.html closed
14:28:08 [EdC]
Jo: only two items left on MWABP.
14:28:42 [jo]
http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/open
14:30:20 [EdC]
Jo: several actions left on CTG (most of the items remaining in the list). I will progress with them, and we can tidy them up from next week onwards.
14:30:36 [EdC]
Jo: AOB?
14:31:09 [EdC]
Jo: the meeting is concluded. Next week, let us take a resolution on BP, and review MWABP.
14:31:10 [jeffs]
(waves goodbye)
14:31:11 [brucel]
hugs you guys, missing you already
14:31:13 [Zakim]
-adam
14:31:15 [Zakim]
-jo
14:31:15 [Zakim]
-Dom
14:31:18 [Zakim]
-brucel?
14:31:22 [Zakim]
-Yeliz
14:31:23 [Zakim]
-SeanP
14:31:23 [Zakim]
-miguel
14:31:24 [Zakim]
-jeffs
14:31:27 [Zakim]
-EdC
14:31:28 [Zakim]
MWI_BPWG()9:30AM has ended
14:31:29 [Zakim]
Attendees were jeffs, brucel?, Dom, Yeliz, +34.98.439.aabb, +41.31.972.aacc, miguel, EdC, +0207881aadd, adam, +1.630.414.aaee, SeanP, +0208995aaff, jo
14:31:31 [dom]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/09/15-bpwg-minutes.html dom
14:36:17 [dom]
Zakim, bye
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14:36:19 [dom]
RRSAgent, bye
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I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/15-bpwg-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: francois to cancel TPAC F2F for BPWG [1]
14:36:19 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/15-bpwg-irc#T13-41-11
14:36:19 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Francois to set up a survey to find dates for F2F, either week of Nov 16, Nov 30 or Dec 7, and ask for hosting offers in Europe [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/15-bpwg-irc#T13-44-40
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ACTION: Bruce to send feedback on Eduardo's proposal on Canvas & SVG http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2009Sep/0017.html - due September 18 [3]
14:36:19 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/15-bpwg-irc#T13-53-21
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ACTION: Sean to check if novarra has tests they could contribute for CT guidelines [4]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/15-bpwg-irc#T14-03-04
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ACTION: Adam to check if Google has tests they could contribute for CT guidelines [5]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/15-bpwg-irc#T14-03-53
14:36:19 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Bruce to check if Opera has tests they could contribute for CT guidelines [6]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/09/15-bpwg-irc#T14-04-06
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