IRC log of soap-jms on 2009-09-08
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- Zakim, this will be SJMS
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- ok, trackbot; I see WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
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- Meeting: SOAP-JMS Binding Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 08 September 2009
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- Zakim, aabb is padams
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- +padams; got it
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- Zakim, who is here?
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- On the phone I see alewis, padams, eric, Yves, +962.9.6287.aaee
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- On IRC I see Derek, mphillip, eric, Zakim, RRSAgent, padams, alewis, trackbot, Yves
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- trackbot-ng, start telcon
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be SJMS
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- ok, trackbot; I see WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM scheduled to start 3 minutes ago
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- Meeting: SOAP-JMS Binding Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 08 September 2009
- 16:03:58 [eric]
- Zakim, aaff is Derek
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- sorry, eric, I do not recognize a party named 'aaff'
- 16:04:40 [mphillip]
- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2009Sep/0004.html
- 16:04:52 [eric]
- Agenda; http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2009Sep/0004.html
- 16:05:42 [mphillip]
- Scribe: mphillip
- 16:05:46 [mphillip]
- Chair: Eric
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- TOPIC: 2) Approval of prior meeting minutes
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- Minutes of 08/18 accepted without alteration
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- Minutes of 08/25 accepted without alteration
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- Minutes of 09/01 accepted without alteration
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- TOPIC 3) Review the agenda
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- TOPIC: 3) Review the agenda
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- No changes to the agenda
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- TOPIC: 4) Review action items
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- Actions: http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/soapjms/tracker/actions/open
- 16:09:13 [mphillip]
- Eric: No progress on actions 32, or 68
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- Derek: No progress on 108
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- TOPIC: 5) URI specification:
- 16:09:50 [mphillip]
- No progress - still waiting for approval from Oracle
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- TOPIC: 6) Raised issues
- 16:10:04 [eric]
- Links: http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/soapjms/tracker/issues/raised
- 16:10:29 [mphillip]
- Eric: 1 new specific issue
- 16:10:32 [mphillip]
- http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/soapjms/tracker/issues/11
- 16:11:44 [mphillip]
- Eric: What to do with the Request_URI - should it be in both the request and response messages?
- 16:12:17 [mphillip]
- Eric: It is currently an error if missing from the response message
- 16:12:37 [mphillip]
- options are to leave as-is, or to allow it to be omitted from the response message
- 16:14:30 [mphillip]
- Phil: Preference for option b - assuming this is included for correlation, then we already have the correlation Id
- 16:15:34 [mphillip]
- mphillip: My preference would be to leave in (think this was originally as an addition to correlation info. for additional correlation and routing )
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- Derek: No strong objection to leaving in the spec.
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- Amy: +1 - no action is fine
- 16:16:31 [mphillip]
- RESOLUTION: All agree that the spec. can stay as-is
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- Close Issue-11 with no action
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- TOPIC: 7) Accepting proposals to close open issues
- 16:17:14 [mphillip]
- http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/soapjms/tracker/issues/open
- 16:17:40 [mphillip]
- Mark: Issue: http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/soapjms/tracker/issues/4
- 16:17:46 [eric]
- Proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2009Jul/0013.html
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- Link to spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/CR-soapjms-20090604/#Protocol-2024
- 16:19:19 [eric]
- Another link: http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/CR-soapjms-20090604/#Protocol-2021
- 16:21:15 [eric]
- Revised proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2009Jul/0030.html
- 16:27:29 [mphillip]
- Eric: The wording "using the above rules" is a little ambiguous when taken out of context
- 16:28:46 [mphillip]
- Phil: Could omit the final (normative) sentence, and make the paragraph of rules the assertion
- 16:29:07 [padams]
- The client MUST create this by taking the supplied URI, leaving the destinationName as-is, and removing the targetService and replyToName query parameters if they are specified. The client SHOULD also remove deliveryMode, jndiConnectionFactoryName, jndiInitialContextFactory, jndiURL, jndiContextParameter, timeToLive, priority properties, and MAY remove other query parameters not explicitly mentioned above (for example client security related properties).
- 16:29:50 [eric]
- Specifies the JMS URI of the service. The client MUST create the requestURI by taking
- 16:29:50 [eric]
- the supplied URI, leaving the destinationName as-is, and removing the
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- targetService and replyToName query parameters if they are specified. The
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- client SHOULD also remove deliveryMode, jndiConnectionFactoryName,
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- jndiInitialContextFactory, jndiURL, jndiContextParameter, timeToLive,
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- priority properties, and MAY remove other query parameters not explicitly
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- mentioned above (for example client security related properties). [Protocol-2021]
- 16:30:12 [mphillip]
- Phil: Yes, that's fine
- 16:30:57 [eric]
- Proposal is to replace 2021 with the following, and remove normative statement indication for 2024: Specifies the JMS URI of the service. The client MUST create the requestURI by taking the supplied URI, leaving the destinationName as-is, and removing the targetService and replyToName query parameters if they are specified. The client SHOULD also remove deliveryMode, jndiConnectionFactoryName, jndiInitialContextFactory, jndiURL, jndiContextParameter, timeToLiv
- 16:32:03 [mphillip]
- Proposal is to replace 2021 with the following, and remove normative statement indication for 2024:
- 16:32:03 [mphillip]
- The client MUST create this by taking the supplied URI, leaving the destinationName as-is, and removing the targetService and replyToName query parameters if they are specified. The client SHOULD also remove deliveryMode, jndiConnectionFactoryName, jndiInitialContextFactory, jndiURL, jndiContextParameter, timeToLive, priority properties, and MAY remove other query parameters not explicitly mentioned above (for example client security related properties). [Pr
- 16:32:26 [mphillip]
- s/this/the requestURI/
- 16:33:50 [mphillip]
- RESOLUTION: All agree with the proposal as written in the IRC (comment at 17:23:03)
- 16:35:21 [mphillip]
- Action: mark to update the specification to reflect the change to Protocol 2021 assertion
- 16:35:21 [trackbot]
- Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - mark
- 16:35:21 [trackbot]
- Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. mhapner, mphillip)
- 16:35:39 [mphillip]
- ACTION: mphillip to update the specification to reflect the change to Protocol 2021 assertion
- 16:35:39 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-109 - Update the specification to reflect the change to Protocol 2021 assertion [on Mark Phillips - due 2009-09-15].
- 16:36:27 [mphillip]
- Next issue = 9 : http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/soapjms/tracker/issues/9
- 16:36:35 [eric]
- Proposal: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2009Aug/0025.html
- 16:36:35 [mphillip]
- Updated proposed resolution:
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2009Aug/0025.html
- 16:38:23 [mphillip]
- Phil: These are the specific changes to make wording more consistent across assertions
- 16:39:30 [mphillip]
- Derek: Agreed, this makes sense
- 16:39:36 [mphillip]
- Agreed
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- Amy: Looks good
- 16:39:57 [mphillip]
- RESOLUTION: The proposal is accepted for resolving issue 9
- 16:40:24 [mphillip]
- ACTION: Phil to apply the resolution for Issue-9
- 16:40:24 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-110 - Apply the resolution for Issue-9 [on Phil Adams - due 2009-09-15].
- 16:40:41 [mphillip]
- TOPIC: 8) Accepting applied resolutions:
- 16:40:49 [mphillip]
- Issue 8: http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/soapjms/tracker/issues/8
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- Applied resolution:
- 16:41:00 [mphillip]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2009Aug/0021.html
- 16:41:48 [padams]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2009Aug/0018.html
- 16:43:14 [mphillip]
- Phil: The linked email contains pointers to the changes made to correct the samples
- 16:43:21 [eric]
- Link to C1, rev 1.60: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2008/ws/soapjms/soapjms.html?rev=1.60&content-type=text/html&f=h#soap-request-without-attachments
- 16:43:24 [mphillip]
- The diff is here: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2008/ws/soapjms/soapjms.html.diff?r1=1.59&r2=1.60&f=h
- 16:46:43 [mphillip]
- Phil: The change is to ensure the C2 sample begins with the MIME boundary and to tidy up the introductory wording to the example box
- 16:47:05 [mphillip]
- Eric: I think the ending MIME boundary needs a double hyphen at the end
- 16:47:28 [mphillip]
- ACTION: Eric to investigate the correct syntax for closing the MIME boundary
- 16:47:28 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-111 - Investigate the correct syntax for closing the MIME boundary [on Eric Johnson - due 2009-09-15].
- 16:47:47 [mphillip]
- RESOLUTION: All accept the applied resolution
- 16:48:08 [mphillip]
- s/resolution/resolution for Issue 8/
- 16:48:18 [mphillip]
- Issue 10: http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/soapjms/tracker/issues/10
- 16:48:18 [mphillip]
- Applied resolution:
- 16:48:18 [mphillip]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2009Aug/0024.html
- 16:49:14 [mphillip]
- Phil: The proposal was to combine assertions 2016 and 2017
- 16:50:19 [mphillip]
- Phil: This is the part of the spec. which changed: http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2008/ws/soapjms/soapjms.html?rev=1.62&content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8#Protocol-2016
- 16:51:14 [mphillip]
- RESOLUTION: All approve the resolution for Issue 10
- 16:51:32 [mphillip]
- TOPIC: 9) FAQ
- 16:51:42 [mphillip]
- http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/soapjms/wiki/2008-09_FAQ
- 16:53:50 [mphillip]
- Eric: Suggest we approach UDDI experts in our respective organisations to validate the UDDI section of the FAQ
- 16:55:12 [mphillip]
- Eric: Feel free to dive in with more input to FAQ Wiki
- 16:56:15 [mphillip]
- Eric: Sections requiring work are requestURI; relationship to other WS-* specifications, and WS-I Basic Profile
- 16:58:02 [mphillip]
- TOPIC: 10) Testing
- 16:58:02 [mphillip]
- * Discussion: How do we define/describe the WSDL test cases?
- 16:58:40 [mphillip]
- Eric: We have discussed this and concluded that we wanted to associate WSDL with our existing test cases
- 16:59:01 [mphillip]
- ACTION Eric to Review test cases to identify which ones could have associated WSDL
- 16:59:02 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-112 - Review test cases to identify which ones could have associated WSDL [on Eric Johnson - due 2009-09-15].
- 17:00:24 [mphillip]
- Phil: We should avoid structuring the test cases around WSDL to the detriment of tests without WSDL (some vendors will not be supporting WSDL)
- 17:00:56 [mphillip]
- 11) Implementations - any updates?
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- -alewis
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- -padams
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- -Yves
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- -eric
- 17:01:11 [mphillip]
- out of time - not covered
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- -Derek
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- -mphillip
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- Attendees were +1.919.663.aaaa, alewis, +1.512.286.aabb, padams, +1.650.213.aacc, eric, +1.617.324.aadd, Yves, +962.9.6287.aaee, +1.708.246.aaff, mphillip, Derek
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- TOPIC: 12 AOB
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- - none
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