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15:07:26 <Andi> scribe: Andi
15:07:33 <Andi> topic: HTML mapping
15:07:52 <Andi> SF: all HTML roles can have events attached to them - have been too conservative in thinking
15:08:28 <Andi> SF: ARIA adds sense to AT developers for what the developer is trying to change the HTML element into
15:08:44 <Andi> CS: so want to allow ARIA to override more native semantics
15:09:45 <Andi> SF: since HTML allows anything to be turned into a widget, ARIA job is to help them do that in a way that makes sense to AT
15:10:30 <Andi> CS: HTML used to have a requirement that elements only be used in the way that is semantically correct but that was removed because it's not machine testable
15:11:42 <Andi> CS: couple of different use cases
15:11:42 <Andi> CS: first, legacy HTML that no one will rewrite. Adding ARIA is the right thing to do
15:11:56 <Andi> CS: second, new content - should use native semantics to the extent that it's possible, then add ARIA where necessary
15:12:30 <Andi> CS: could this be added to validation tools?
15:14:12 <Andi> SF: find those things that would absolutely be meaningless and flag those
15:14:52 <Andi> SF: have had native check boxes and radio buttons for a long time but people continue to want to build them using non-native ways because they don't like how the native ones look
15:15:17 <Andi> SF: don't think there is a use case for role=heading in HTML
15:15:23 <Andi> CS: but there could be in other languages
15:16:37 <Andi> SF: how do we come up with a rule for strong vs. weak semantics that accommodates both the heading case (where native semantics should not be overridden) ...
15:17:00 <Andi> SF: ... and check boxes and radio buttons where there are good reasons to override them
15:18:16 <Andi> SF: can look at specific examples make a judgement but don't have a clear understanding of what the overall principle should be
15:18:30 <Andi> CS: to bring to HTML WG, we need to have a good general rule
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15:23:53 <Andi> SF: won't have a lot of time in the next two weeks
15:24:11 <Andi> SF: will update the matrix - important to document where HTML and ARIA overlap
15:25:21 <Zakim> -Stevef
15:25:21 <Andi> CS: asks SF to think about how others can help 
15:25:57 <Zakim> -Cooper
15:26:10 <Andi> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7041
15:27:04 <Zakim> +[Mozilla]
15:27:16 <davidb> Zakim, Mozilla is David_Bolter
15:27:16 <Zakim> +David_Bolter; got it
15:36:01 <Andi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/
15:38:43 <Andi> topic: Bugs
15:39:39 <Andi> AS: suggest everybody commit to do 3 specific bugs for next week
15:39:54 <Andi> Andi: 7018, 7020, 7182
15:40:10 <Andi> Cynthia: 7016, 7064, 7119
15:40:21 <Andi> David: 7022, 6888, 7118
15:40:28 <Zakim> -Andi_Snow_Weaver
15:40:29 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
15:40:29 <Zakim> -David_Bolter
15:40:37 <Zakim> -Janina
15:40:39 <Zakim> Team_(aapi)15:00Z has ended
15:40:40 <Zakim> Attendees were Stevef, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Cooper, Janina, Cynthia_Shelly, David_Bolter
15:41:07 <Andi> Additional action for next week: everybody review their bugs and come to the meeting prepared to sign of for three specific bugs for the following week.
15:41:45 <Andi> ... including at least one of the more time consuming bugs
15:41:50 <Andi> zakim, bye
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