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11:57:41 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_MFWG
11:57:41 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_MFWG()8:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
11:57:42 <trackbot> Meeting: Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
11:57:42 <trackbot> Date: 19 August 2009
12:00:04 <Zakim> IA_MFWG()8:00AM has now started
12:00:11 <Zakim> +raphael
12:00:20 <raphael> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Aug/0018.html
12:00:29 <raphael> Chair: Raphael
12:00:37 <raphael> Regrets: Jack, Michael, Davy, Erik
12:02:17 <Zakim> +Yves
12:02:32 <Zakim> +silvia
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12:05:21 <Zakim> +thierry
12:07:42 <Yves> like updating the fragment in the URI bar when you seek manually in the video?
12:08:54 <raphael> Raphael: just Yves, Thierry, Silvia and Raphael present on the call
12:08:59 <raphael> ... no quorum :-(
12:09:10 <raphael> Silvia: discussion my today's blog post
12:09:20 <raphael> s/discussion/discussing
12:09:26 <raphael> scribe: raphael
12:09:46 <raphael> Present: Yves, Thierry, Silvia, Raphael
12:10:13 <raphael> Silvia ... i'm considering making a small demo
12:10:42 <raphael> ... not implementing the protocol stuff the group is doing, but rather emulating the visual effect on client / UA side
12:10:50 <raphael> ... basically, the YouTube use case
12:11:09 <raphael> Yves: +1, we want to demonstrate how to bookmark a fragment of a video
12:11:43 <raphael> Silvia: my implementation will be based on javascript + perhaps the video element of HTML5
12:12:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/08/19-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
12:14:21 <Yves> about query: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gregorio-uritemplate-03
12:14:24 <Yves> might be useful
12:15:31 <nessy> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Aug/0011.html
12:15:35 <raphael> Silvia: I suggest we seriously discuss the use of query vs fragment
12:17:05 <Yves> or link to a manifest file somewhere
12:17:30 <Yves> or to a URI template (if applicable)
12:18:12 <raphael> Silvia: in case of query, how the new resource can be linked to the original resource?
12:18:44 <raphael> Raphael: perhaps using the link header
12:19:21 <raphael> Silvia: and the problem of the UA getting the full duration of the parent resource in case of the fragment, see ISSUE-11
12:19:46 <raphael> ... do we need to define an extra header ?
12:21:20 <raphael> Yves, it is always in the case of a range request
12:21:26 <raphael> Yves: so no problem
12:22:03 <raphael> Yves: for example, the server will serve, this is the bytes for the range 10s - 20s / the full duration of the resource
12:22:07 <nessy> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/UA_Server_HTTP_Communication
12:23:03 <raphael> Yves: correct, this is incomplete, I will correct this wiki page
12:24:03 <raphael> Raphael: I will take proper action for closing the ISSUE-11 if the problem is addressed
12:24:59 <Zakim> -silvia
12:25:43 <raphael> Great, that closes the ISSUE-11, at least for the fragment
12:25:50 <raphael> I will email the group about that
12:25:53 <Zakim> +silvia
12:28:41 <raphael> Silvia: what we need to fix asap is: the scheme syntax of media fragment, and the protocol aspect (communication UA / server)
12:36:51 <raphael> Yves: the ACTION-49 will be done by the beginning of September
12:37:03 <raphael> Raphael: yes, that will make the work more concrete
12:37:26 <Yves> http://www.mnot.net/drafts/draft-nottingham-http-link-header-07.txt
12:37:53 <raphael> Raphael: since our examples will contain the full HTTP request and HTTP response
12:38:02 <raphael> Silvia: I will write my use case by the next telecon
12:38:28 <raphael> ... and I will write a paragraph on the use of fragment vs query ... among the lines of my blog post
12:38:31 <raphael> Raphael: +1
12:40:29 <raphael> I want also we discuss the relationships between the spatial dimension of Media Fragments and Image Sprites, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Jun/0002.html
12:40:38 <raphael> Silvia: perhaps finish the time dimension first
12:40:42 <raphael> ... but address that later
12:40:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/08/19-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
12:41:48 <raphael> I will create a new issue regarding this point
12:44:42 <raphael> Silvia: TPAC, worth to meet ?
12:44:59 <raphael> Raphael: perhaps a accessible media workshop colocated
12:45:16 <raphael> Silvia: if workshop, mozilla will fund me and I will be there
12:45:28 <raphael> Raphael: in this case, I will make it too and Yves will be there
12:45:45 <raphael> ... might worth to have then a meeting, perhaps using Media Annotations arrangement
12:46:23 <raphael> ACTION-96?
12:46:23 <trackbot> ACTION-96 -- Yves Lafon to make change to temporal-optional-comma specification -- due 2009-08-19 -- OPEN
12:46:23 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/96
12:46:33 <nessy> * ACTION-96: Yves to make change to temporal-optional-comma specification
12:46:51 <raphael> close ACTION-96
12:46:51 <trackbot> ACTION-96 Make change to temporal-optional-comma specification closed
12:47:03 <raphael> Question: do we need also editUnits, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Jul/0018.html ?
12:49:05 <raphael> Silvia: my problem with editUnit, is that this is container specific
12:49:33 <raphael> ... even worse, this is encoding specific
12:52:49 <raphael> ... I can write a reply about that
12:52:58 <raphael> ... editing the WD directly in the cvs ?
12:54:26 <raphael> Silvia: capture the discussion within the wiki but update the main document that contains the spec in the cvs
12:55:30 <raphael> ACTION: Silvia to update the wiki + cvs document for adding the "clock" scheme for specifying time and for discussing editUnit (ACTION-84)
12:55:30 <trackbot> Created ACTION-97 - Update the wiki + cvs document for adding the "clock" scheme for specifying time and for discussing editUnit (ACTION-84) [on Silvia Pfeiffer - due 2009-08-26].
12:56:11 <raphael> ACTION-89?
12:56:11 <trackbot> ACTION-89 -- Yves Lafon to find out more about fragment identifier registration -- due 2009-07-22 -- OPEN
12:56:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/89
12:56:51 <raphael> we need to write a small IETF draft for IANA consideration
12:57:03 <raphael> we need to make a plan for that
12:57:23 <raphael> Yves: first, get a good story from our document, and then the IETF document will just link to our document
12:57:38 <raphael> close ACTION-89
12:57:38 <trackbot> ACTION-89 Find out more about fragment identifier registration closed
12:58:24 <raphael> I will open a new ISSUE to remind us that we need to write a IETF draft for proposing how to register the fragment scheme for all media types
12:59:35 <raphael> Yves: this IETF draft should contain a how-to register the fragment spec for media fragments
13:00:03 <raphael> ... and we should ask for a template of what does it mean when we come accross a media fragment
13:00:13 <raphael> Silvia: this is a different issue ... something to consider
13:00:28 <raphael> Raphael: I will make another issue
13:01:00 <raphael> ... for the media type registration template
13:01:12 <raphael> ... needs to be discussed then within IETF
13:02:49 <raphael> AOB?
13:03:23 <Zakim> -Yves
13:03:24 <Zakim> -silvia
13:03:24 <Zakim> -raphael
13:03:40 <Zakim> -thierry
13:03:41 <Zakim> IA_MFWG()8:00AM has ended
13:03:42 <Zakim> Attendees were raphael, Yves, silvia, thierry
13:03:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/08/19-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
13:04:00 <nessy> thanks everybody!
13:04:03 <raphael> thanks
13:04:20 <raphael> meeting adjourned
13:04:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/08/19-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
13:04:36 <raphael> you've seen I have been kicked of the WG?
13:06:31 <raphael> Yves, tu peux enlever le DRAFT des minutes ?
13:07:41 <nessy> kicked off the WG? I just confirmed my expert status and was fine )
13:13:52 <raphael> I have been kicked of :-)
13:13:54 <raphael> but it is normal
13:14:01 <raphael> I'm no longer employed by CWI
13:14:15 <raphael> and my new employer is not a member ... so I will become a IE like you :-)
13:14:23 <raphael> time I convince my employer to join W3C
13:14:38 <nessy> lol
13:14:44 <nessy> who are you working for now?
13:14:59 <nessy> large enough to be able to afford the W3C membershp?
13:17:10 <raphael> EURECOM, http://www.eurecom.fr/index.en.htm
13:17:22 <raphael> it is academic, so the fees are not that high
13:18:02 <Yves> done
13:18:17 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/19-mediafrag-actions.rdf :
13:18:17 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Silvia to update the wiki + cvs document for adding the "clock" scheme for specifying time and for discussing editUnit (ACTION-84) [1]
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