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14:58:08 <shadi> zakim, this will be bad
14:58:08 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_EOWG(BAD TF)11:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
14:58:25 <shadi> meeting: BAD TF
14:58:30 <shadi> chair: Shadi
14:58:42 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
14:58:42 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
14:58:43 <Zakim> WAI_EOWG(BAD TF)11:00AM has now started
14:58:44 <Zakim> +Shadi
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15:00:43 <shadi> agenda: 
15:00:54 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-eo-badtf/2009Aug/0014.html
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15:01:06 <shadi> agenda+ review comments
15:01:16 <shadi> agenda+ reporting table
15:01:39 <Zakim> +eric_
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15:02:47 <Zakim> +michael
15:03:33 <Zakim> -eric_
15:03:35 <Zakim> + +49.201.750.0.aaaa
15:04:14 <shadi> zakim, aaaa is Maik
15:04:14 <Zakim> +Maik; got it
15:06:13 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/demos/bad/draft/2009/comments
15:06:31 <shadi> zaim, take up agendum 1
15:06:32 <Zakim> +eric_
15:06:38 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:06:38 <Zakim> agendum 1. "review comments" taken up [from shadi]
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15:09:19 <jenoe> zakim, mute me
15:09:19 <Zakim> sorry, jenoe, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
15:10:25 <shadi> action: comment #40 - pending until all annotations are populated
15:10:51 <shadi> action: comment #41 - send clarification messages
15:13:42 <shadi> action: comment #42 - michael will check for possible fixes
15:14:08 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/demos/bad/draft/2009/after/news/
15:16:20 <shadi> action: comment #43 - information is in the alt-attribute
15:17:38 <Zakim> +Wilco
15:18:41 <shadi> [#43: issue - ideally we would have data in tabular format, but we don't want people to assume that this is needed for all images]
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15:19:10 <maik_w> http://www.w3.org/WAI/demos/bad/draft/2009/after/news/
15:19:25 <shadi> [#43: suggestion - add information that there are different solutions in the annotations]
15:19:37 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/demos/bad/draft/2009/comments
15:21:37 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 2
15:21:37 <Zakim> agendum 2. "reporting table" taken up [from shadi]
15:22:04 <Wilco> http://fiers.name/badtf/report/report.htm
15:22:05 <shadi> http://fiers.name/badtf/report.htm
15:25:12 <shadi> Tom: folding and unfolding works well
15:25:54 <shadi> Michael: maybe indenting will make it clearer
15:26:07 <shadi> ...also put folding options on the left hand side
15:26:13 <shadi> ...common anology
15:26:30 <shadi> Wilco: looked really bad and made it more confusing
15:27:09 <shadi> ...and indenting also makes more complicated
15:27:15 <shadi> ...and takes away width
15:27:18 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/demos/bad/draft/2009/report
15:28:14 <shadi> Michael: +/- works well but should be bigger
15:28:37 <shadi> Wilco: worried that it becomes more complex
15:28:48 <shadi> ...especially the width of the table
15:30:04 <shadi> Tom: when one "expands" text the style changes
15:30:07 <shadi> ...is confusing
15:30:14 <shadi> Wilco: will look into it
15:31:19 <shadi> Tom: term "sufficient techniques" is misleading for failures
15:35:08 <jenoe> q+
15:38:42 <shadi> ack q
15:38:49 <shadi> ack j
15:40:16 <shadi> Shadi: "expand" is unclear
15:40:34 <shadi> Eric: maybe "full description"
15:40:48 <shadi> Tom: or "show/hide full description"
15:45:02 <shadi> Michael: prefer +/- icons rather than arrows
15:46:17 <shadi> ...should look at examples
15:47:05 <eric> http://www.everaldo.com/crystal/
15:49:21 <shadi> Wilco: should columns have fixed width?
15:49:26 <shadi> Tom: bothered me
15:49:44 <shadi> Michael+Eric: should be fixed
15:50:15 <Tom_> sorry to bother :-)
15:50:25 <eric> More icon inspiration at wikimedia commons: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Icons
15:52:57 <shadi> Topic: Next Meeting
15:53:52 <jenoe> q+
15:55:47 <jenoe> ack j
15:56:17 <shadi> next meeting: Wednesday 2 September
15:56:30 <Zakim> -eric_
15:56:32 <Zakim> -Tom
15:56:33 <Zakim> -Wilco
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15:56:35 <Zakim> -Maik
15:56:52 <Zakim> -michael
15:56:53 <Zakim> WAI_EOWG(BAD TF)11:00AM has ended
15:56:55 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi, Tom, eric_, michael, +49.201.750.0.aaaa, Maik, Wilco
15:57:11 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
15:57:16 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
15:57:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/08/19-badtf-minutes.html shadi
15:57:17 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
15:57:22 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
15:57:22 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/19-badtf-actions.rdf :
15:57:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: comment #40 - pending until all annotations are populated [1]
15:57:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/19-badtf-irc#T15-10-25
15:57:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: comment #41 - send clarification messages [2]
15:57:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/19-badtf-irc#T15-10-51
15:57:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: comment #42 - michael will check for possible fixes [3]
15:57:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/19-badtf-irc#T15-13-42
15:57:22 <RRSAgent> ACTION: comment #43 - information is in the alt-attribute [4]
15:57:22 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/19-badtf-irc#T15-16-20
15:57:25 <shadi> zakim, bye
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