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14:35:11 <wiecha> Meeting: Weekly telecon of Rich Web Application Backplane XG
14:35:18 <wiecha> Chair: Charlie Wiecha
14:35:44 <wiecha> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-app-backplane/2009Aug/0008.html
14:58:03 <Zakim> INC_RWAB()11:00AM has now started
14:58:10 <Zakim> +[IBM]
14:58:19 <wiecha> zakim, [IBM] is wiecha
14:58:19 <Zakim> +wiecha; got it
15:00:56 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
15:00:56 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
15:00:58 <Zakim> +Steven
15:01:43 <Zakim> -Steven
15:02:57 <Steven> Huh, dropped, and there I wasn talking away toi no one
15:03:02 <Steven> Zakim, dial steven-617
15:03:02 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
15:03:03 <Zakim> +Steven
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15:04:31 <jackjansen> zakim, code?
15:04:31 <Zakim> the conference code is 7922 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jackjansen
15:05:41 <Zakim> + +31.20.592.aaaa
15:05:47 <jackjansen> zakim, aaaa is me
15:05:47 <Zakim> +jackjansen; got it
15:06:38 <Zakim> -Steven
15:06:46 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
15:06:48 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
15:06:49 <Zakim> +Steven
15:10:42 <Steven> It works in Opera as long as I don't open it from mail
15:10:54 <Steven> Scribe: Steven
15:11:01 <Steven> Chair: Charlie
15:11:16 <Steven> Topic: Backplane XG draft report
15:11:42 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-app-backplane/2009Aug/att-0009/backplane-xg-toc.html
15:11:58 <Steven> Charlie: I'm going to add a bunch of figures
15:12:38 <Steven> Jack: If people aren't interested in expense tracking, they must be able to get through section 2, understanding that it is only an example
15:13:04 <Steven> Steven: Should section 2 be later?
15:13:08 <Steven> Jacl: Not sure
15:13:15 <Steven> s/cl/ck/
15:13:46 <Steven> ... but maybe we can decide that later
15:14:24 <Steven> ... the purpose is to convince people in the field that this is great stuff and needs a WG
15:14:52 <Steven> Charlie: The pattern stuff is new, so you won't have seen that yet
15:15:38 <Steven> ... please send comments by email
15:17:03 <Steven> ... I'm not convinced that sections 4 and 5 need to be separate
15:17:14 <Zakim> -Steven
15:17:22 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
15:17:22 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
15:17:24 <Zakim> +Steven
15:18:31 <Steven> Jack: So section 4 is about earlier implementations
15:19:56 <Steven> ... oh wait, there are event-based patterns, and then the suggestion that we define how to do it with a ubiquity-like library
15:20:19 <Steven> ... maybe section 3 needs to be split into the patter stuff, and how we encode them in XML extensions
15:20:28 <Steven> s/patter /pattern /
15:21:04 <Steven> Charlie: Even in the markup syntac there could be different representations of the same patterns
15:21:12 <Steven> s/syntac/syntax/
15:21:32 <Steven> Jack: I think there will be little discussion about the patterns
15:22:14 <wiecha> zakim, who is talking?
15:22:26 <Zakim> wiecha, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: jackjansen (87%)
15:22:29 <Zakim> -Steven
15:22:33 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
15:22:33 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
15:22:35 <Zakim> +Steven
15:22:48 <jackjansen> zakim, mute me
15:22:48 <Zakim> jackjansen should now be muted
15:22:56 <jackjansen> still there
15:23:06 <jackjansen> gone for you?
15:23:09 <jackjansen> not for me.
15:23:11 <jackjansen> ok.
15:23:13 <Zakim> -jackjansen
15:23:55 <Zakim> +jackjansen
15:24:29 <Steven> Charlie: Any update on the SMIL side?
15:24:37 <Steven> Jack: Sorry, no I've been on holiday
15:24:57 <Steven> Charlie: We have 5 or 6 weeks left, any chance of adding the event-based trigger we talked about?
15:25:03 <Steven> Jack: DId you try what I sent?
15:25:12 <Steven> Charlie: Yes, worked great, even in FF
15:25:23 <Steven> s/DId/Did/
15:25:45 <wiecha> would like to be able to dispatch a DOMActivate on a SMIL element and have that execute
15:25:54 <wiecha> and also from within SMIL to be able to dispatch events elsewhere
15:26:00 <Steven> Jack: How will you dispathc?
15:26:10 <Steven> Charlie: XForms dispatch
15:26:20 <Steven> Steven: Regular DOM events
15:26:38 <Steven> ... in the normal way that events goup and down the tree
15:26:57 <Steven> Charlie: And doing the same thing dispatching from inside SMIL to somewhere else
15:27:35 <Steven> Jack: [talks to self about what he would need]
15:28:06 <wiecha> could also use xf:dispatch element from within SMIL
15:28:10 <Steven> Charlie: Use xf:dispatch inside SMIL
15:28:33 <wiecha> something like <smil ev:event="DOMActivate"...>
15:28:46 <Steven> Jack: And visibility on DOM Activate?
15:28:57 <Steven> Charlie: You'll have to find out
15:29:24 <Steven> Jack: I'll try be end of week
15:29:41 <Steven> s/week/next week/
15:29:48 <Steven> s/be/by/
15:29:57 <Zakim> -wiecha
15:29:59 <Zakim> -Steven
15:29:59 <Zakim> -jackjansen
15:30:00 <Zakim> INC_RWAB()11:00AM has ended
15:30:01 <Zakim> Attendees were wiecha, Steven, +31.20.592.aaaa, jackjansen
15:30:02 <wiecha> rrsagent, make minutes
15:30:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/08/18-backplane-minutes.html wiecha
15:30:04 <Steven> ... I get my degree this week
15:30:14 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
15:30:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/08/18-backplane-minutes.html Steven
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