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14:59:18 <TomB> rssagent, bookmark
14:59:26 <TomB> zakim, this will be swd
14:59:26 <Zakim> ok, TomB; I see SW_SWD()11:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
14:59:30 <TomB> Meeting: SWD WG
14:59:34 <TomB> Chair: Guus
15:00:07 <TomB> rrsagent, please make record public
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15:02:29 <Zakim> +Ralph
15:02:53 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:02:54 <Ralph> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Aug/0005.html
15:03:05 <Ralph> zakim, ipcaller is TomB
15:03:05 <Zakim> +TomB; got it
15:03:28 <Zakim> +??P49
15:03:37 <berrueta> zakim, ??P49 is me
15:03:37 <Zakim> +berrueta; got it
15:03:37 <Ralph> zakim, ??p49 is Berrueta
15:03:38 <Zakim> I already had ??P49 as berrueta, Ralph
15:03:47 <Antoine> Antoine has joined #swd
15:04:18 <Ralph>  -> http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-swd-minutes.html previous 2009-07-07 
15:04:20 <Zakim> + +20598aaaa
15:04:35 <Ralph> zakim, aaaa is Guus
15:04:35 <Zakim> +Guus; got it
15:04:41 <Ralph> zakim, guus also has Antoine
15:04:41 <Zakim> +Antoine; got it
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15:06:02 <Guus> zakim, who is here?
15:06:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ralph, TomB, berrueta, Guus
15:06:03 <Zakim> Guus has Guus, Antoine
15:06:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see Guus, edsu, Antoine, RRSAgent, Zakim, TomB, berrueta, Ralph
15:06:19 <Ralph> At risk: Alistair
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15:08:08 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Antoine
15:08:17 <Antoine> scribenick: Antoine
15:08:37 <Antoine> Topic: Admin
15:09:08 <Antoine> RESOLVED: accept the minutes of last telecon
15:09:11 <Antoine> Topic: SKOS
15:09:11 <Zakim> +??P14
15:09:17 <seanb> zakim, ??P14 is me
15:09:17 <Zakim> +seanb; got it
15:09:45 <Antoine> Guus: what's the status on the language label issues?
15:10:16 <Ralph> Antoine: none of the solutions we proposed was judged acceptable by the I18N Group, per Felix Sasaki
15:10:18 <Zakim> +[LC]
15:10:30 <Ralph> ... so long as the examples continued to use private language subtags
15:10:37 <edsu> Zakim, LC is edsu
15:10:37 <Zakim> +edsu; got it
15:10:40 <Ralph> ... the I18N Group is very reluctant to permit private language subtags
15:10:47 <Zakim> -berrueta
15:10:56 <Guus> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Aug/0001.html
15:11:03 <Ralph> ... the last resolution [from 7 July] we proposed to was to modify the examples to be syntactically correct
15:11:06 <Guus> proposed resolution
15:11:21 <Zakim> +??P18
15:11:34 <Ralph> ... to modify the examples and add a warning that that use may not correspond to BCP
15:11:39 <berrueta> zakim, ??P18 is me
15:11:39 <Zakim> +berrueta; got it
15:11:43 <Ralph> ... but the I18N folk did not accept that proposal
15:12:00 <Antoine> Guus: I'm happy with that
15:13:15 <Antoine> Sean: I'm happy to go with Alistair's suggestion
15:13:41 <Antoine> Tom: I also agree
15:13:56 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/05/06-swd-minutes.html#symbollabels discussion of symbolic labels
15:15:14 <Antoine> Ralph: I'm ok with dropping it
15:15:32 <Antoine> ... maybe we should hear from Margherita first
15:16:56 <Antoine> Ralph: There was a desire to use an appropriate mechanism for this
15:17:01 <edsu> q+
15:17:29 <Antoine> ... if we remove the section from the spec we might frustrate these people who were counting on using this.
15:17:54 <Antoine> Guus: I see five vocabularies that use notations
15:18:13 <Antoine> ... in the implementation report
15:19:06 <Antoine> Ralph: the mail from Margherita in May last year
15:19:13 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Jan/0150.html "Margherita's comments on symbolic labels" (see 'section 4.4')
15:19:42 <Antoine> s/May/January
15:20:24 <Ralph> does AGROVOC use this private language mechanism?
15:22:21 <Antoine> Ed: I remember this was before we had SKOS-XL on the table
15:22:31 <Antoine> ... SKOS-XL might alleviate some of the problems
15:23:03 <Antoine> Ralph: +1
15:25:52 <edsu> q- edsu
15:26:31 <Ralph> delete from "Usually a notation system does not have ..." through the end of Example 22.
15:27:34 <TomB> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Jul/0026.html - "move in your current time schedule to Recommendation"
15:29:53 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Jun/0040.html original comment from I18N Core 
15:30:20 <Antoine> Guus: PROPOSED to resolve ISSUE-224 by deleting the final paragraph of section 6.5.4 (from "Usually a notation system does not have...") and example 22
15:31:00 <Ralph> +1
15:31:06 <edsu> +1
15:31:22 <Antoine> RESOLVED to resolve ISSUE-224 by deleting the final paragraph of section 6.5.4 (from "Usually a notation system does not have...") and example 22
15:32:46 <Antoine> ACTION: Alistair to respond to Felix and implement the changes resulting from our resolution to ISSUE-224
15:33:16 <Ralph> scribenick: ralph
15:33:39 <Ralph> Guus: consider timing w.r.t. Recommendation
15:33:43 <Ralph> ... I saw some reference to 18 August
15:34:30 <Ralph> Ralph: we ought to have a formal acceptance from I18N Core WG that they accept our resolution
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15:37:02 <Antoine> Guus: there need to be some changes on the Primer
15:37:04 <Ralph> Guus: there's a practical question as the Primer needs small updates too
15:37:08 <Ralph> scribenick: Antoine
15:37:23 <Antoine> Ed and Antoine: ok for 18 august
15:38:10 <Antoine> ACTION: provide before 17 august a pointer to the latest version 
15:38:23 <Antoine> s/provide/Ed and Antoine to provide
15:39:19 <Antoine> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Jul/0022.html
15:39:49 <Antoine> Is a list of editorial changes to respond editorial comments from Daniel Barclay
15:40:18 <Ralph> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Jul/0001.html
15:41:25 <Antoine> There's consensus on the mail from Elliott Rusty Harold
15:41:35 <Antoine> ... to keep to the singular of "note"
15:42:04 <Antoine> ACTION: Antoine to send an answer to Elliott's mail
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15:42:38 <Antoine> There was another mail from Daniel Barclay
15:42:59 <Ralph> ISSUE-226
15:43:11 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/226 ISSUE-226
15:43:50 <Antoine> ACTION: Antoine to respond to Daniel Barclay's mail by the mail in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Jul/0022.html
15:45:37 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/skos-ucr/ SKOS Use Cases and Requirements
15:46:23 <TomB> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Apr/0109.html
15:47:11 <TomB> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/usecases/ucr-20090428.html
15:47:17 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/usecases/ucr-20090428.html 28 April SKOS UCR Editor's Draft
15:47:57 <Antoine> ACTION 2009-05-19: SWD WG to identify final version of Use Cases.
15:48:11 <Antoine> -- DONE :  http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/usecases/ucr-20090428.html
15:49:06 <Antoine> ACTION: Ralph to publish the UC document as a group note at the time of recommendation
15:50:22 <Antoine> Tom: should we publish the implementation report?
15:50:31 <Antoine> Guus: it's not part of our delivrables
15:51:17 <Antoine> Sean: shall I remove the request for comments?
15:51:19 <Antoine> Guus: yes
15:51:38 <Antoine> ACTION: Sean to update the implementation report 
15:52:02 <Ralph> specifically, the updates are to put a date of publication
15:52:04 <TomB> q+ SKOS collaterals
15:52:55 <Antoine> Tom: what happened with the re-map from the mapping spec?
15:53:04 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Aug/0011.html redirections
15:53:04 <Antoine> ... it is currently done
15:53:35 <Antoine> ACTION: Ralph publish Antoine's new intermediate pages for legacy specs [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/21-swd-minutes.html#action11]
15:53:38 <Antoine> -- DONE
15:54:12 <Antoine> Topic: AOB
15:54:23 <Antoine> Guus: proposal: final proposal on august 24
15:54:34 <Antoine> ... mainly to discuss SKOS community aspects
15:54:35 <TomB> +1 to meet on 25 August
15:54:45 <Antoine> s/24/25
15:55:50 <Antoine> Guus: so this should be our last telecon
15:57:25 <Antoine> ACTION: Ben review RDFa Use Cases and propose transition to Group Note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02]
15:59:17 <Zakim> -seanb
15:59:26 <Antoine> --CONTINUES
15:59:40 <Antoine> if no progress till next time, it will be dropped
15:59:41 <Zakim> -edsu
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16:00:23 <TomB> http://www.w3.org/2009/07/07-swd-minutes.html#item03
16:01:18 <Antoine> ACTION: Ralph to publish http://berrueta.net/recipes-20090407/ as a WG Note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/02-swd-minutes.html#action07]
16:01:21 <Antoine> --CONTINUES
16:02:38 <Antoine> Guus: meeting adjourned
16:02:46 <Zakim> -Guus
16:02:48 <Zakim> -TomB
16:02:51 <Antoine> rrsagent, please draft minutes
16:02:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/08/11-swd-minutes.html Antoine
16:02:51 <Zakim> -berrueta
16:02:52 <Zakim> -Ralph
16:02:52 <Zakim> SW_SWD()11:00AM has ended
16:02:55 <Zakim> Attendees were Ralph, TomB, berrueta, +20598aaaa, Guus, Antoine, seanb, edsu
16:03:59 <Ralph> regrets: Alistair
16:04:01 <Antoine> ok to me, then!
16:04:18 <Ralph> rrsagent, please draft minutes
16:04:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/08/11-swd-minutes.html Ralph
16:04:46 <Ralph> zakim, bye
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17:25:04 <Ralph> rrsagent, bye
17:25:04 <RRSAgent> I see 9 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/11-swd-actions.rdf :
17:25:04 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Alistair to respond to Felix and implement the changes resulting from our resolution to ISSUE-224 [1]
17:25:04 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/11-swd-irc#T15-32-46
17:25:04 <RRSAgent> ACTION: provide before 17 august a pointer to the latest version  [2]
17:25:04 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/11-swd-irc#T15-38-10
17:25:04 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Antoine to send an answer to Elliott's mail [3]
17:25:04 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/11-swd-irc#T15-42-04
17:25:04 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Antoine to respond to Daniel Barclay's mail by the mail in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Jul/0022.html [4]
17:25:04 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/11-swd-irc#T15-43-50
17:25:04 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph to publish the UC document as a group note at the time of recommendation [5]
17:25:04 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/11-swd-irc#T15-49-06
17:25:04 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Sean to update the implementation report  [6]
17:25:04 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/11-swd-irc#T15-51-38
17:25:04 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph publish Antoine's new intermediate pages for legacy specs [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/21-swd-minutes.html#action11] [7]
17:25:04 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/11-swd-irc#T15-53-35
17:25:04 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben review RDFa Use Cases and propose transition to Group Note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02] [8]
17:25:04 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/11-swd-irc#T15-57-25
17:25:04 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph to publish http://berrueta.net/recipes-20090407/ as a WG Note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/06/02-swd-minutes.html#action07] [9]
17:25:04 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/08/11-swd-irc#T16-01-18