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14:45:07 <wiecha> Meeting: Rich Web Application Backplane XG telecon
14:45:11 <wiecha> Chair: Charlie Wiecha
14:45:24 <wiecha> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-app-backplane/2009Aug/0006.html
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14:56:51 <wiecha> zakim, [IBM] is wiecha
14:56:51 <Zakim> +wiecha; got it
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15:09:09 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
15:09:09 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
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15:11:15 <John_Boyer> scribe: John_Boyer
15:11:19 <John_Boyer> Topic: XG report
15:11:54 <John_Boyer> Charlie: Last chance to get any SMIL updates from Jack is coming up soon.
15:12:33 <John_Boyer> Charlie: Would like to show the SMIL work as part of the demonstration to show cross component coordination
15:13:18 <John_Boyer> Charlie: Interesting stuff we can do in the help panel, but needs a little more wiring work.  Could do the SMIL app as standalone, but would be better on wiring
15:13:35 <John_Boyer> Charlie: Charter ends Oct. 8, and XG's seem to have their reports done by then
15:13:46 <wiecha> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-app-backplane/2009Aug/0002.html
15:13:51 <John_Boyer> s/then/when their charters end
15:14:37 <John_Boyer> Charlie: Mark Birbeck completed the invited expert questionnaire, and it got approved by W3 mgmt, so he is now able to participate as a co-author
15:15:54 <John_Boyer> Charlie: Hope to get a first draft out by next week
15:16:48 <John_Boyer> Charlie: two main parts to write about.  1) extending browser infrastructure to better support ubiquity-like libraries
15:17:01 <John_Boyer> Charlie: Uli pointed out that we should not skip XML events here
15:18:34 <John_Boyer> Charlie: Section 3.2 discusses how the extensibility is being done now, not necessarily completely incompatibly, but also not by any means in the same way.
15:18:54 <John_Boyer> Charlie: Would be better to have a common approach to this extensibility.
15:20:25 <John_Boyer> Charlie: TPAC is going to talk about extensibility in HTML5.  This report will be providing use cases and background on current techniques
15:21:40 <John_Boyer> Charlie: Section 4 is application patterns discussion
15:22:17 <John_Boyer> Charlie: How do we get back to some of the richness we had in the "old" client/server days that we would like to now get "on the web"
15:22:47 <John_Boyer> Charlie: Capabilities that haven't even resurfaced yet in the likes of Dojo
15:22:59 <John_Boyer> Charlie: Also want to deal with richness of heterogeneous markup formats
15:23:08 <John_Boyer> Charlie: deal with their composability
15:25:20 <John_Boyer> John: Truly minor point, may want to make the patterns the "top level" points in section 4, not subordinate to the examples
15:25:24 <John_Boyer> Charlie: agree
15:25:51 <John_Boyer> Charlie: This section's patterns is how/why this XG got started
15:26:27 <John_Boyer> Charlie: How do we want to organize this, and does anyone want to write a piece?
15:26:58 <John_Boyer> Charlie: Other XGs have produced reports from 5 pages to 40 pages.  How much do we want to say?
15:27:28 <John_Boyer> Steven: Who is this targetted at and what do we want to achieve?
15:27:43 <John_Boyer> Steven: I think the answer is that it is aimed at the AC
15:27:56 <John_Boyer> Steven: And I think we want an extension to push this further
15:28:10 <John_Boyer> Charlie: It's also targetted at the HTML5 extensibility discussion
15:28:30 <Steven> brb
15:28:32 <John_Boyer> Charlie: That the AC will have at the TPAC
15:30:00 <John_Boyer> John: I think we should go with iterative deepening; don't go into gory details until necessary.
15:30:25 <Steven> back
15:30:39 <John_Boyer> John: For example, I was looking even at the outline and thinking that Section 4 on app patterns should precede the infrastructure discussion
15:31:14 <John_Boyer> Charlie: Yes, that order makes for a crisper read.  I like that
15:31:28 <John_Boyer> Charlie: The even deeper drill-down into implementations could be done in appendices
15:31:58 <John_Boyer> Charlie: Any volunteers to write some of this?
15:32:04 <John_Boyer> Steven: I should have a bit of time
15:32:26 <Zakim> -wiecha
15:32:29 <Zakim> -Steven
15:32:29 <John_Boyer> Charlie: I'll take a first draft at the parts that make sense for me, then  pass Steven the token
15:32:39 <John_Boyer> meeting adjourns
15:32:46 <John_Boyer> Present: Charlie, John, Steven
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15:32:59 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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15:34:31 <RRSAgent> I see no action items