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11:56:54 <steph> zakim, this will be mw4d
11:56:54 <Zakim> ok, steph; I see MWI_MW4D IG()8:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
11:57:09 <steph> MEETING:MW4D IG Teleconference
11:57:32 <steph> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2009Aug/0013.html
11:57:38 <steph> Present: stephane
11:57:52 <steph> zakim, code ?
11:57:52 <Zakim> the conference code is 6493 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), steph
11:58:18 <Zakim> MWI_MW4D IG()8:00AM has now started
11:58:25 <Lauri> Lauri has joined #mw4d
11:58:25 <Zakim> + +58160aaaa
11:59:10 <Lauri> Hello Everybody, Lauri's vacation is over and now in IRC for cc
12:01:55 <Raphael> Raphael has joined #mw4d
12:02:08 <Zakim> +Lauri
12:02:16 <Zakim> + +7.956.02.aabb
12:02:33 <Zakim> +Arun
12:02:35 <steph> zakim, aaaa is Adesina
12:02:35 <Zakim> +Adesina; got it
12:02:49 <MiraS> +Mira
12:02:57 <steph> zakim, Arun is Raphael
12:02:57 <Zakim> +Raphael; got it
12:02:58 <Adesna> Adesina is here
12:03:01 <MiraS> zakim, MiraS is Mira
12:03:01 <Zakim> sorry, MiraS, I do not recognize a party named 'MiraS'
12:04:30 <Zakim> +??P4
12:04:48 <steph> zakim, ??P4 is Mira
12:04:48 <Zakim> +Mira; got it
12:05:36 <steph> zakim, who is here
12:05:36 <Zakim> steph, you need to end that query with '?'
12:05:38 <steph> zakim, who is here ?
12:05:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see Adesina, Lauri, +7.956.02.aabb, Raphael, Mira
12:05:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see Raphael, Lauri, RRSAgent, Zakim, steph, Adesna, MiraS
12:05:50 <steph> zakim, aabb is me
12:05:50 <Zakim> +steph; got it
12:05:56 <Adesna> q+
12:06:12 <steph> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2009Aug/0013.html
12:06:22 <steph> ack adesna
12:07:05 <Raphael> Yoshiko is on leave but will join us in other teleconferences
12:07:06 <steph> Topic: approval of last week minutes
12:07:16 <steph> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2009Aug/0013.html
12:07:19 <Raphael> Lauri proposes approval
12:07:21 <steph> approved
12:07:34 <Adesna> approved
12:07:36 <Raphael> seconded by 3
12:07:47 <steph> Topic: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mw4d/2009Aug/0013.html
12:08:01 <MiraS> approved
12:08:04 <steph> Topic:review of action items
12:08:28 <steph> stephane to update the roadmap and the issue 5 in the discussion 
12:08:28 <steph> doc about accessibility
12:08:36 <steph> [done]
12:08:55 <steph> steph to contact mike best
12:09:01 <steph> [pending]
12:09:01 <Raphael> I can contact Mike Best if you wish
12:09:21 <Raphael> OK, I take this action.
12:09:39 <Raphael> For feedback and/or to join our group
12:10:08 <steph> Topic:Discussion on roadmap
12:10:46 <Raphael> steph: wishes to accelerate the release of the roadmap
12:11:08 <Raphael> more than a year on and we need to share content with the community
12:11:19 <Raphael> in order to receive feedback
12:12:04 <Raphael> Event coming end of Sept. Steph shared info on it via the mailing list
12:13:13 <Raphael> steph: read the doc and provide feedback
12:13:36 <Raphael> some people write private feedback but Steph would prefer to have them shared with all the group
12:13:53 <Raphael> so we can build concensus
12:14:08 <Raphael> q+
12:14:31 <steph> ack raphael
12:17:12 <Raphael> Raphael to do the glossary
12:17:15 <MiraS> q+
12:17:38 <Raphael> Lauri mentions that the doc date has not changed, but the content has
12:18:06 <steph> ack mira
12:18:24 <Raphael> Mira offers help for reviewing and editing
12:18:56 <Raphael> Steph: OK for helping on this
12:19:13 <Adesna> q+
12:20:09 <steph> http://www.w3.org/2008/MW4D/wiki/roadmapv2-discussion#technologie
12:20:11 <Raphael> Adesina: are we focusing on mobile phones only?
12:20:23 <Raphael> are we including tech such as WiMax?
12:20:40 <Adesna> other devices lke PDA, 
12:21:55 <Raphael> Steph: gives the background why certain technological choices were made for the roadmap content
12:22:04 <Adesna> ok
12:22:47 <MiraS> q+
12:23:40 <Lauri> q+
12:23:58 <Raphael> Steph: not in favor of looking at all technologies in this document, but open to discuss it, including today
12:24:05 <Adesna> q-
12:24:32 <Raphael> Mira: brought the issue of WiMax due to cost for the end users
12:24:56 <Raphael> Steph: started to draft the cost section and it may be extended
12:24:58 <Adesna> q+
12:25:21 <Raphael> ack Adesna
12:25:42 <steph> ack Miras
12:26:09 <Raphael> Lauri: shares what Steph said, that we should focus on what has been done and not what could be done
12:26:51 <Raphael> we should look at practical applications
12:29:04 <Raphael> Adesina: GSM coverage is often very poor in rural villages while wifi does a good job in giving access to ICTs
12:29:09 <Raphael> q+
12:29:18 <Adesna> Yes
12:29:21 <Lauri> q+
12:29:30 <Lauri> q+
12:30:05 <Raphael> q-
12:30:50 <Adesna> Q+
12:30:54 <Raphael> Adesina, do you have examples at hand? for wifi/wimax usage, well documented?
12:31:07 <Raphael> in rural villages
12:32:13 <Raphael> Lauri: we focused, from the beginning on mobile applications and GSM
12:32:56 <Raphael> wifi is often only the "last mile"
12:33:55 <MiraS> q+
12:34:24 <Raphael> Adesina: wifi provides access, for end-users, to ITCs and therefore should be considered
12:34:50 <Raphael> Mira: the problem comes from the definition of mobility
12:35:18 <Adesna> The focus here is access to information to end-users over mobile/wireless platforms
12:35:20 <Lauri> q+
12:35:47 <Adesna> There are wifi-mobile phones though not widely available
12:37:37 <Raphael> Steph: the discussion on wifi/wimax technology does not seem relevant to our work. We should focus on communities' need in content, the underlying technology is not really the problem
12:38:13 <Raphael> the available bandwidth is of interest, not the channels, here
12:39:05 <Raphael> Adesina: fears that the roadmap is too focused on GSM technologies
12:39:42 <Adesna> Agreed
12:39:49 <Raphael> +1
12:39:54 <MiraS> I agree
12:40:51 <Raphael> Lauri: we said we should focus on widely available technologies
12:41:53 <Raphael> we should focus on the "small screen" devices
12:42:02 <Adesna> ok then
12:42:04 <Adesna> agreed
12:42:22 <MiraS> ok
12:43:07 <Adesna> agreed
12:43:08 <Raphael> OK with me
12:43:16 <Lauri> OK for Lauri
12:43:16 <MiraS> agreed
12:45:40 <Raphael> Steph: Discussion on the Technologies Section
12:46:42 <Raphael> Huge range of applications and potential technologies. Scope very broad. Need to reduce it.
12:48:47 <Raphael> q+
12:49:09 <Adesna> q-
12:49:31 <Lauri> q-
12:49:59 <Adesna> I agree with Raphael
12:52:53 <Raphael> q-
12:53:03 <MiraS> q-
12:54:58 <Lauri> q+
12:55:22 <Raphael> I think we should take the opportunity of this road map to give an overview of what technologies exist, are used for applications for development, and make sense
12:55:53 <Raphael> lot's of initiatives are taking place, the hard work is to go through them all and do the synthesis
12:56:03 <Raphael> in a couple of pages
12:56:56 <Raphael> Steph: should we go with other technologies or remain with the 3 main ones proposed
12:58:01 <Raphael> Lauri: we need to also consider the application coverage objective, to better guide roadmap readers/users
12:58:23 <Raphael> i.e. nation-wide application in Finland for tsunami alert
12:58:37 <Adesna> Like Frontline SMS?
12:59:31 <Raphael> Steph, I think that the three initial domains are good to start with
12:59:51 <Raphael> we can see if we need more later
13:01:01 <Raphael> q+
13:01:09 <Adesna> LETS STICK WITH THESE THREE
13:01:22 <Lauri> q-
13:02:31 <MiraS> I agree to keeping the 3 main groups. I think USSD deserves a mention under the "signalling" title.
13:05:08 <Lauri> q+
13:06:17 <MiraS> We could probably include examples without making it comprehensive.
13:06:26 <Adesna> Q+
13:06:33 <Raphael> q-
13:06:48 <Zakim> -Adesina
13:07:10 <MiraS> q+
13:08:49 <Raphael> steph ??
13:08:53 <steph> sorry i got disconnected
13:09:07 <steph> don't what hapenned but i can't rejoin
13:09:33 <Raphael> ok
13:09:38 <Raphael> we'll close
13:09:47 <steph> sorry about that
13:09:50 <Adesna> Sorry, I have to go
13:10:06 <steph> so in order to to feed the discussion for next week
13:10:07 <Adesna> I am still on
13:10:09 <Lauri> Lauri explained the difference of several Mobile technologies with example of gas station price information database
13:10:10 <steph> i will focus on 
13:10:20 <Adesna> Ltes ken ands steph take care of it
13:10:21 <steph> developing the section 7
13:10:23 <Lauri> bye
13:10:24 <Zakim> -Mira
13:10:25 <Zakim> -Raphael
13:10:29 <Zakim> -steph
13:10:31 <Raphael> OK
13:10:32 <Zakim> -Lauri
13:10:34 <Zakim> MWI_MW4D IG()8:00AM has ended
13:10:35 <MiraS> -Mira
13:10:36 <Zakim> Attendees were +58160aaaa, Lauri, +7.956.02.aabb, Adesina, Raphael, Mira, steph
13:10:37 <Raphael> Bye
13:10:45 <steph> rrsagent, make log public
13:10:54 <steph> rrsagent, make minutes
13:10:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/08/10-mw4d-minutes.html steph
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