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12:21:57 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be UWAWG
12:21:57 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see UW_UWA()9:00AM scheduled to start in 39 minutes
12:21:58 <trackbot> Meeting: Ubiquitous Web Applications Working Group Teleconference
12:21:58 <trackbot> Date: 06 August 2009
12:22:32 <matt> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-uwa/2009Aug/0005
12:22:34 <matt> Chair: Matt
12:22:52 <matt> zakim, agenda+ Action Item Review
12:22:52 <Zakim> agendum 1 added
12:23:38 <matt> zakim, agenda+ UWA Extension length
12:23:38 <Zakim> agendum 2 added
12:23:53 <matt> zakim, agenda+ Geolocation LC comments
12:23:53 <Zakim> agendum 3 added
12:24:07 <matt> zakim, agenda+ New Group Charter
12:24:07 <Zakim> agendum 4 added
12:24:09 <matt> zakim, agenda?
12:24:09 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
12:24:10 <Zakim> 1. Action Item Review [from matt]
12:24:11 <Zakim> 2. UWA Extension length [from matt]
12:24:13 <Zakim> 3. Geolocation LC comments [from matt]
12:24:14 <Zakim> 4. New Group Charter [from matt]
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12:59:12 <matt> zakim, dial matt-voip
12:59:12 <Zakim> ok, matt; the call is being made
12:59:13 <Zakim> UW_UWA()9:00AM has now started
12:59:14 <Zakim> +Matt
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12:59:23 <matt> zakim, ping me in 30 minutes
12:59:23 <Zakim> ok, matt
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13:00:46 <Zakim> +Andy
13:00:52 <matt> zakim, aaaa is Sailesh
13:00:52 <Zakim> +Sailesh; got it
13:00:55 <Zakim> +Rotan
13:01:18 <Zakim> + +1.617.995.aabb
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13:01:25 <matt> zakim, aabb is KRosenbl
13:01:25 <Zakim> +KRosenbl; got it
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13:02:30 <jcantera> i'm calling
13:03:01 <matt> zakim, agenda+ DCCI plans
13:03:01 <Zakim> agendum 5 added
13:03:06 <Zakim> + +49.833.6.aacc
13:03:23 <matt> zakim, aacc may be jcantera
13:03:23 <Zakim> +jcantera?; got it
13:03:32 <matt> zakim, agenda?
13:03:32 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
13:03:33 <Zakim> 1. Action Item Review [from matt]
13:03:35 <Zakim> 2. UWA Extension length [from matt]
13:03:37 <Zakim> 3. Geolocation LC comments [from matt]
13:03:38 <Zakim> 4. New Group Charter [from matt]
13:03:38 <Zakim> 5. DCCI plans [from matt]
13:04:03 <matt> zakim, jcantera? is jcantera 
13:04:03 <Zakim> +jcantera; got it
13:05:02 <matt> zakim, agenda+ Extending DCO deadline
13:05:02 <Zakim> agendum 6 added
13:05:16 <matt> zakim, take up agenda 6
13:05:16 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Extending DCO deadline" taken up [from matt]
13:05:31 <matt> Matt: Already extended deadline for WAI...
13:05:42 <matt> jcantera: Sensor network incubator group would also like extension.
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13:05:51 <matt> jcantera: The extension we gave to WAI would fit for them.
13:06:15 <Zakim> +Rich
13:07:03 <matt> [[Comments on this Last Call Working Draft are accepted until 7 July 2009 ...]]
13:08:07 <matt> jcantera: Can we extend until the end of the month?
13:08:12 <matt> Matt: Any objections?
13:08:27 <matt> RESOLUTION: DCO comment period will remain open until end of August
13:08:30 <matt> zakim, agenda?
13:08:30 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda:
13:08:31 <Zakim> 1. Action Item Review [from matt]
13:08:32 <Zakim> 2. UWA Extension length [from matt]
13:08:34 <Zakim> 3. Geolocation LC comments [from matt]
13:08:35 <Zakim> 4. New Group Charter [from matt]
13:08:36 <Zakim> 5. DCCI plans [from matt]
13:08:38 <Zakim> 6. Extending DCO deadline [from matt]
13:09:12 <matt> ACTION: jcantera to respond to sensor network IG to tell them of extended deadline
13:09:12 <trackbot> Created ACTION-144 - Respond to sensor network IG to tell them of extended deadline [on Jose Manuel Cantera Fonseca - due 2009-08-13].
13:09:22 <matt> zakim, take up agenda 2
13:09:22 <Zakim> agendum 2. "UWA Extension length" taken up [from matt]
13:10:03 <matt> Matt: We are out of charter and need an extension
13:10:34 <matt> Rotan: a month would be nice, but realistically two
13:10:41 <matt> Matt: I'll put in the request for 2 months...
13:10:50 <matt> RESOLUTION: 2 Month charter extension request
13:10:57 <matt> zakim, take up agenda 3
13:10:57 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Geolocation LC comments" taken up [from matt]
13:11:21 <matt> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-uwa/2009Jul/0038.html Geolocation LC
13:12:27 <matt> Matt: Everyone should read and comment on his comments by the 10th.  We'll send them as is on the 10th.
13:12:33 <matt> jcantera: I'm happy with his comments.
13:13:12 <matt> RESOLUTION: Group resolves that they are happy with Rotan's LC comments
13:13:23 <matt> ACTION: dsr to send on Rotan's geolocation comments to the WG
13:13:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-145 - Send on Rotan's geolocation comments to the WG [on Dave Raggett - due 2009-08-13].
13:13:26 <matt> zakim, agenda?
13:13:26 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda:
13:13:27 <Zakim> 1. Action Item Review [from matt]
13:13:29 <Zakim> 2. UWA Extension length [from matt]
13:13:31 <Zakim> 3. Geolocation LC comments [from matt]
13:13:32 <Zakim> 4. New Group Charter [from matt]
13:13:32 <Zakim> 5. DCCI plans [from matt]
13:13:34 <Zakim> 6. Extending DCO deadline [from matt]
13:13:50 <matt> zakim, take up agenda 4
13:13:50 <Zakim> agendum 4. "New Group Charter" taken up [from matt]
13:14:22 <matt> Matt: Added more text, please fill in where the @@ symbols are.
13:15:31 <matt> Rotan: There are dependencies that aren't reflected in the charter.
13:15:43 <matt> Rotan: Rather than dates put things like "Publish with CR"
13:16:31 <matt> Matt: putting in relative dates sounds good.
13:16:50 <matt> Matt: Let's figure out the dependencies and their dates on the mailing list and reflect that in the charter.
13:16:56 <Rotan> Maybe I could draw a graphic showing the dependencies?
13:17:18 <matt> ACTION: Rotan to draw graphic showing the dependencies of the various documents on each other
13:17:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-146 - Draw graphic showing the dependencies of the various documents on each other [on Rotan Hanrahan - due 2009-08-13].
13:17:35 <matt> zakim, take up agenda 5
13:17:35 <Zakim> agendum 5. "DCCI plans" taken up [from matt]
13:18:00 <matt> sailesh: I was wondering what FT's position is on the DCCI stuff.
13:18:10 <matt> sailesh: Do we want to create a new completely different spec or update the existing spec?
13:18:28 <matt> sailesh: Do we do "DCCI Lite", or do we @@?
13:18:53 <matt> KRosenbl: We'd like to see it go forward, and we'd like to see the current version go forward.  I don't know what the best way to move is.
13:19:17 <matt> KRosenbl: If it can move along modifying the current doc that would be the way to go I think, if possible.
13:19:28 <matt> sailesh: We had some solid comments from Jose and Rich.
13:20:03 <matt> sailesh: If we could remove the DOM dependency...  I think that will be a lot of work...
13:20:06 <matt> sailesh: I'm not sure about how to proceed.
13:20:12 <matt> sailesh: If we should keep the current DCCI spec, or come up with something called @@ which is a reduced subset.
13:20:25 <matt> sailesh: but we should be able to extend it with @@ releases.
13:20:33 <jcantera> I'm also interested in standadizing bindings between properties and the functions that provide property values. That could be the link between concrete APIs and generic APIs
13:20:35 <matt> sailesh: If we go for a DCCI lite version then as a first step we should collect requirements.
13:21:02 <matt> sailesh: We can take the requirements and mark the features as must and shoulds.
13:21:24 <jcantera> I cannot understand Sailesh :( following him only on IRC
13:21:32 <matt> sailesh: My opinion: it's sort of like a research spec.  Usually... ??  and then propose it.
13:21:40 <matt> sailesh: We'll probably be doing some joint development together.
13:22:20 <Zakim> -Sailesh
13:23:02 <matt> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:23:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/08/06-uwawg-minutes.html matt
13:23:33 <Zakim> + +1.585.919.aadd
13:23:46 <matt> zakim, aadd is Sailesh
13:23:46 <Zakim> +Sailesh; got it
13:25:05 <matt> Rotan: What did you mean by DCCI as a research spec?
13:25:43 <matt> sailesh: What we do in this standardization stuff is we develop something in house, and then we put it out for standardization.  Then other folks comment and we make edits, and that's the usual process.  What we have to date is the DCCI spec, which we developed jointly and then implemented.
13:25:57 <matt> sailesh: It was all done within W3C.
13:26:02 <matt> Rotan: The same thing was done with DD...
13:26:26 <matt> sailesh: DCCI is not a unique case, I'm just generally talking about the Nokia process.  This was just some feedback from the Nokia internal standards guys. 
13:27:14 <matt> sailesh: If we go for something other than DOM then we have to redesign from scratch.  No problem there though.
13:27:25 <matt> richardschwerdtfe: When you said you implemented it, what did you implement?  What are you accessing?
13:27:46 <matt> sailesh: A local store, we had a server running on our device.  It was accessing GPS coordinates from the device.  It was a wrapper around our local API.
13:28:06 <matt> richardschwerdtfe: You didn't make use of the local data storage stuff that's in HTML5 and implemented in WebKit.
13:28:27 <matt> sailesh: We have the local store already implemented in our current runtime on the mobile.  I've got an older fork of WebKit that I've been using.
13:28:55 <matt> sailesh: The current runtime that's out on the public Nokia devices doesn't have that now, so we didn't use the local store.
13:29:15 <matt> sailesh: As far as DCCI is concerned we look at cases where we are directly sourcing information from property providers, so I don't see how the local store comes into play here.
13:29:23 <Zakim> matt, you asked to be pinged at this time
13:30:03 <matt> richardschwerdtfe: So you're saying you couldn't have an extension to your user agent to store this?
13:30:05 <matt> sailesh: via an extension to the browser, yes.
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13:30:15 <matt> richardschwerdtfe: Looking around, it seems like WebKit is the pervasive browser out there, so I'm thinking from a strategy perspective if this was laid over WebKit and you could use the local store and store properties on your machine...
13:30:23 <matt> sailesh: This is a model for getting at dynamic info.
13:30:36 <matt> sailesh: So, you need up to date information and such.
13:30:38 <matt> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:30:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/08/06-uwawg-minutes.html matt
13:30:45 <matt> sailesh: From a spec point of view, I don't see how it comes into play.
13:32:25 <Zakim> + +1.425.214.aaee
13:33:35 <Zakim> -Rotan
13:33:35 <matt> zakim, drop me
13:33:36 <Zakim> Matt is being disconnected
13:33:36 <Zakim> -Matt
13:34:04 <matt> -> http://www.doodle.com/ercgqgv9ifhrd948  Don't forget to fill in the summer  time poll!
13:34:40 <Rotan> Rotan: ensure that people remember that DCCI is about *dynamic* info. Don't artificially bind it to other notions.
13:50:28 <sailesh> ACTION: Matt to open a wiki to record DCCI requirements
13:50:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-147 - Open a wiki to record DCCI requirements [on Matt Womer - due 2009-08-13].
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13:52:10 <sailesh> we could have bi-weekly meeting calls to proceed
13:56:28 <jcantera> RRSAgent, draft minutes
13:56:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/08/06-uwawg-minutes.html jcantera
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13:56:52 <Zakim> - +1.425.214.aaee
13:56:53 <Zakim> UW_UWA()9:00AM has ended
13:56:54 <Zakim> Attendees were Matt, +1.850.483.aaaa, Andy, Sailesh, Rotan, +1.617.995.aabb, KRosenbl, +49.833.6.aacc, jcantera, Rich, +1.585.919.aadd, +1.425.214.aaee
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