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14:48:14 <shadi> zakim, this will be bad
14:48:14 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_EOWG(BAD TF)11:00AM scheduled to start in 12 minutes
14:48:22 <shadi> zakim, ping me in 10
14:48:22 <Zakim> ok, shadi
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14:58:23 <Zakim> shadi, you asked to be pinged at this time
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15:00:13 <shadi> zakim, code?
15:00:13 <Zakim> the conference code is 22383 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), shadi
15:00:15 <Zakim> WAI_EOWG(BAD TF)11:00AM has now started
15:00:22 <Zakim> + +1.714.968.aaaa
15:00:40 <Zakim> +??P10
15:00:50 <shadi> zakim, aaaa is Tom
15:00:50 <Zakim> +Tom; got it
15:00:58 <shadi> zakim, ? is Shadi
15:00:58 <Zakim> +Shadi; got it
15:01:15 <eric_> eric_ has joined #badtf
15:02:02 <Zakim> + +49.173.673.aabb
15:02:10 <Zakim> + +31.30.239.aacc
15:02:14 <eric_> zakim, aabb is me
15:02:14 <Zakim> +eric_; got it
15:02:16 <Zakim> - +31.30.239.aacc
15:03:15 <Zakim> + +31.30.239.aadd
15:03:42 <shadi> zakim, aadd is Wilco
15:03:42 <Zakim> +Wilco; got it
15:04:53 <shadi> meeting: BAD TF
15:04:56 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-eo-badtf/2009Aug/0007.html
15:04:58 <Wilco> http://fiers.name/badtf/report.htm
15:05:12 <shadi> agenda+ Reporting Table
15:05:19 <shadi> agenda+ Review Comments
15:05:28 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:05:28 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Reporting Table" taken up [from shadi]
15:05:39 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-eo-badtf/2009Aug/0001.html
15:06:03 <shadi> http://fiers.name/badtf/report.htm
15:06:39 <shadi> WF: tried to express the relations as much as possible
15:06:50 <shadi> ...but then comment was too much color
15:06:59 <shadi> ...table getting more confusing
15:09:25 <shadi> SAZ: we have results "Failed", "Level X", "Passed X"
15:09:28 <shadi> ...confusing
15:09:53 <shadi> WF: tried to separate Guidelines and Success Criteria levels
15:10:45 <shadi> SAZ: how about having "Level X" as part of the description
15:10:58 <shadi> ...then only have "Pass" and "Fail" in the result
15:14:00 <shadi> TJ: how to pass or fail a Guidelines? need to indicate the levels
15:17:10 <shadi> ...could indicate "Fail" for Guideline if any Level A check was not met
15:18:19 <shadi> SAZ: so need 4 color codes?
15:18:28 <shadi> WF: the shades of green
15:18:43 <shadi> EE: that where it gets too colorfull for me
15:19:38 <shadi> ...keep red for fail, neutral for level A, green for level AA, and blue for level AAA
15:20:46 <shadi> WF: but that doesn't work if we remove the principle level
15:21:04 <shadi> TJ: could handle the principles like the guidelines
15:22:31 <shadi> EE: only one color for pass - no shades at all
15:23:05 <shadi> s/for pass/for fail
15:29:25 <shadi> EE: if met the target level, then the value is "pass"
15:29:37 <shadi> ...only two colors - "red" and "green"
15:31:01 <shadi> s/"green"/NA
15:32:58 <shadi> [summary: success criteria passes or fails against its own target level, this is aggregated up with regard to the target level of the report]
15:34:00 <shadi> WF: need to make very clear against which level we are evaluating
15:34:06 <shadi> ...clear captions
15:35:16 <shadi> RESOLUTION: only need two colors for "pass" and "fail" as per above
15:36:44 <shadi> SAZ: do we indicate "pass" or "pass X" for the success criteria?
15:36:53 <shadi> TJ: only need "pass", the SC says the level
15:36:58 <shadi> WF: agree
15:37:31 <shadi> SAZ: what about on the Guidelines level?
15:37:41 <shadi> TJ: need to say "pass X" here
15:38:15 <shadi> [summary: possible results for SC are "fail", "n/a", "pass"]
15:38:49 <shadi> [summary: possible results for Guidelines/Principles are "fail", "n/a", "pass a", "pass aa", "pass aaa"]
15:43:23 <shadi> RESOLUTION: have only the result values as summarized above
15:43:26 <shadi> TJ: how about different column for the level?
15:43:46 <shadi> SAZ: wouldn't do that, could do bigger separator between different levels
15:43:52 <shadi> WF: that's a good idea
15:44:47 <shadi> [notes: (1) indicate clearly the target level of the report, (2) only show target level results]
15:47:46 <shadi> WF: have an "expand" link for long criteria texts
15:48:39 <shadi> TJ: agree to it
15:49:02 <shadi> SAZ: what about the link on the "passed" or "failed" results?
15:49:14 <shadi> WF: make more sense but will revisit
15:50:23 <shadi> SAZ: would stay consistent, keep the expand/collapse function the right-most coloumn
15:52:54 <shadi> WF: what about "Sufficient Techniques - A" to indicate the "Situation A"
15:53:30 <shadi> SAZ: keep that inside the actual description cell, leave out of the "Term"
15:53:45 <shadi> ...don't think need "Techniques" and "Failures"
15:56:54 <shadi> WF: hopefully have something within two weeks
15:57:39 <shadi> TJ: will try to get the list by 19th august
15:57:46 <shadi> Topic: Next Meeting
15:57:58 <shadi> Wednesday 19 August 2009
15:58:31 <shadi> zakim, take up next
15:58:31 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Review Comments" taken up [from shadi]
15:58:33 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/demos/bad/draft/2009/comments
15:58:47 <shadi> EE: propose to do by e-mail
16:00:08 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-eo-badtf/2009Jul/0012.html
16:01:37 <shadi> SAZ: will respond to the person for issue #10 asking for more info
16:01:43 <shadi> ...please look at the remaining issues
16:02:04 <Zakim> -eric_
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16:02:05 <Zakim> -Wilco
16:02:07 <Zakim> -Tom
16:02:12 <Zakim> -Shadi
16:02:15 <Zakim> WAI_EOWG(BAD TF)11:00AM has ended
16:02:16 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.714.968.aaaa, Tom, Shadi, +49.173.673.aabb, +31.30.239.aacc, eric_, +31.30.239.aadd, Wilco
16:02:27 <shadi> zakim, bye
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16:02:32 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
16:02:35 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
16:02:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/08/05-badtf-minutes.html shadi
16:02:40 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
16:02:44 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
16:02:44 <RRSAgent> I see no action items