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14:07:36 <PhilA2> rrsagent, make logs public
14:07:43 <PhilA2> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:07:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-swxg-minutes.html PhilA2
14:08:42 <rreck> i hope its ok to invite RRSagent after the fact
14:08:44 <mischat> FabGandon: the metrics you pointed to seem to be about  the network as a whole, which would require the social network itself to be up for sharing this information. Or am I wrong? I guess of business wouldn't share this info. 
14:09:41 <rreck> businesses that arent on top benefit by putting their own spin on the "measurements" they DO provide
14:10:08 <mischat> but I see how the information is needed to normalise data about peoples involvement in various social networks. Which make this task of metrics a hard one.
14:15:30 <PhilA2> scribe:   rreck
14:15:30 <PhilA2> rreck:  DKA: requests speakers announce themselves for my benefit
14:15:30 <PhilA2> PhilA2: scribeNick:rreck
14:15:30 <PhilA2> DKA: http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-swxg-minutes.html
14:15:30 <PhilA2> mischat: I have to apologise I have not finished my actions. But I have found time to work on them today and tomorrow. Will mail the list when I think I am done with the work.
14:15:32 <PhilA2> Zakim: +hhalpin
14:15:34 <PhilA2> FabGandon: Zakim, +49.238.aadd is me
14:15:36 <PhilA2> Zakim: +FabGandon; got it
14:15:38 <PhilA2> rreck: DKA: review the minutes from last week's call
14:15:40 <PhilA2> cperey: I cannot attend
14:15:42 <PhilA2> cperey: yes, it is 29 july
14:15:44 <PhilA2> rreck: DKA: cannot attend the next meeting
14:15:46 <PhilA2> danbri: regrets from me (at least start of the call; will try to join later)
14:15:48 <PhilA2> rreck: DKA: today's call is about metrics
14:15:50 <PhilA2> danbri: i am away next 3 weeks also, but will update the Invites page before i leave
14:15:52 <PhilA2> DKA: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/weekly-agenda.html
14:15:54 <PhilA2> PhilA2: Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/weekly-agenda.html
14:15:56 <PhilA2> PhilA2: Chair: DKA
14:15:58 <PhilA2> rreck: DKA: any volunteers for the actions listed on the agenda?
14:16:00 <PhilA2> rreck: rreck: i entered a user story
14:16:02 <PhilA2> PhilA2: q+
14:16:04 <PhilA2> : Zakim sees PhilA on the speaker queue
14:16:06 <PhilA2> cperey: context task force is very vague
14:16:07 <PhilA2> rreck: harry: please finish actions they have left so that next meetings are more productive
14:16:10 <PhilA2> mischat: I have not completed my actions either. I have 2 actions to complete. One summarise our chats, and the second one was to set up a git repo of T&Cs.
14:16:13 <PhilA2> DKA: ack phila
14:16:15 <PhilA2> : Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
14:16:17 <PhilA2> mischat: i will get them done soon.
14:16:19 <PhilA2> mischat: http://www.w3.org/2007/uwa/wiki/New_Charter
14:16:21 <PhilA2> rreck: phil: charter under development for working group about context awareness
14:16:23 <PhilA2> rreck: DKA: very relevant effort
14:16:25 <PhilA2> rreck: w
14:16:27 <PhilA2> cperey: are they aware of what is happening in this XG?
14:16:27 <AlexKorth> someone's pasting a lot
14:16:29 <PhilA2> rreck: DKA: claudio should be interested in this
14:16:31 <PhilA2> rreck: DKA: unbiquious web domain
14:16:33 <PhilA2> mischat: no mention of the SWXG on the wiki 
14:16:35 <PhilA2> cperey: this is important
14:16:37 <PhilA2> rreck: phil: let's not take too much time today talking about this since we have guests 
14:16:39 <PhilA2> mischat: agreed this is important work. And there is talk of actual output 
14:16:41 <PhilA2> rreck: DKA: recommends phil to invite <someone> to the next meeting
14:16:43 <PhilA2> rreck: s /<someone>/dave
14:16:45 <PhilA2> cperey: nope
14:16:47 <PhilA2> PhilA2: action: PhilA to contact Dave Ragget and invite him to talk to the XG
14:16:49 <PhilA2> : trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
14:16:51 <PhilA2> trackbot: Sorry, couldn't find user - PhilA
14:16:51 <trackbot> Sorry, PhilA2, I don't understand 'trackbot: Sorry, couldn't find user - PhilA'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
14:16:53 <PhilA2> PhilA2: action: Phil_Archer to contact Dave Ragget and invite him to talk to the XG
14:16:55 <PhilA2> : trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
14:16:57 <PhilA2> trackbot: Sorry, couldn't find user - Phil_Archer
14:16:57 <trackbot> Sorry, PhilA2, I don't understand 'trackbot: Sorry, couldn't find user - Phil_Archer'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
14:16:59 <PhilA2> cperey: 1
14:17:01 <PhilA2> rreck: DKA: let move on to the speaker SAm
14:17:03 <PhilA2> mischat: yes
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14:17:07 <PhilA2> PhilA2: action: Archer to contact Dave Ragget and invite him to talk to the XG
14:17:09 <PhilA2> : trackbot noticed an ACTION. Trying to create it.
14:17:11 <PhilA2> trackbot: Created ACTION-60 - Contact Dave Ragget and invite him to talk to the XG [on Phil Archer - due 2009-07-29].
14:17:11 <trackbot> Sorry, PhilA2, I don't understand 'trackbot: Created ACTION-60 - Contact Dave Ragget and invite him to talk to the XG [on Phil Archer - due 2009-07-29].'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
14:17:14 <PhilA2> cperey: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/images/e/eb/20090721-GyPSii-overview.pdf
14:17:16 <PhilA2> rreck: Sam: i have slides to supplement my talk
14:17:18 <PhilA2> Zakim: + +1.781.273.aaee
14:17:20 <PhilA2> rreck: Sam: can everyone see the PDF?
14:17:22 <PhilA2> MacTed: Zakim, aaee is OpenLink_Software
14:17:24 <PhilA2> Zakim: +OpenLink_Software; got it
14:17:26 <PhilA2> MacTed: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily MacTed
14:17:28 <PhilA2> Zakim: +MacTed; got it
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14:17:32 <PhilA2> MacTed: Zakim, mute me
14:17:34 <PhilA2> Zakim: MacTed should now be muted
14:17:36 <PhilA2> rreck: Sam: gypsy is introduced since iphone and googlephone
14:17:38 <PhilA2> cperey: GyPSii was PRIOR to iPhone and Android
14:17:40 <PhilA2> rreck: Sam: location based app on Windows mobile in 2003
14:17:42 <PhilA2> rreck: sorry i got that backwards
14:17:44 <PhilA2> Zakim: -cperey
14:17:46 <PhilA2> rreck: Sam: focus is around recording your life 
14:17:48 <PhilA2> rreck: Sam: and publishing thereof, facebook and twitter
14:17:50 <PhilA2> mischat: lifelogging, audio, video, image based recording of your life
14:17:52 <PhilA2> Zakim: +cperey
14:17:54 <PhilA2> rreck: Sam: user generated content is key
14:17:56 <PhilA2> rreck: Sam: finding and making friends and where they are and have been
14:17:58 <PhilA2> rreck: Sam: and what is around you
14:18:00 <PhilA2> rreck: Sam: see where things are on a map, museums, gas stations
14:18:02 <PhilA2> rreck: Sam: transport information
14:18:04 <PhilA2> rreck: Sam: messages and newsfeed
14:18:06 <PhilA2> rreck: Sam: business model is advertising based, location based 
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14:18:10 <PhilA2> rreck: Sam: content that is nearby. its in China and US
14:18:12 <PhilA2> AndreaP: zakim, code
14:18:14 <PhilA2> Zakim: I don't understand 'code', AndreaP
14:18:16 <PhilA2> AndreaP: zakim, code?
14:18:18 <PhilA2> Zakim: the conference code is 7994 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), AndreaP
14:18:20 <PhilA2> mischat: video of gypsii: http://www.gypsii.com/icache/video/intro_web.html
14:18:22 <PhilA2> rreck: Sam: available on app stores. blackberry
14:18:24 <PhilA2> rreck: Sam: Mobile Apps ? store, download & pre-installed. S60, BB, iPhone, J2ME
14:18:26 <PhilA2> Zakim: +csma
14:18:28 <PhilA2> rreck: Sam: we havent focused on mobile website in western areas
14:18:30 <PhilA2> rreck: Sam: future technologies will change this
14:18:32 <PhilA2> rreck: Sam: partners can use an API
14:18:34 <PhilA2> rreck: Sam: supports 18 languages
14:18:36 <PhilA2> Zakim: + +1.617.800.aaff
14:18:38 <PhilA2> karl: zakim, +1.617.800.aaff is karl
14:18:38 <DKA> Phil what are you doing? :)
14:18:40 <PhilA2> Zakim: +karl; got it
14:18:42 <PhilA2> rreck: Sam: China is the busiest. cannot disclose the user numbers ATM
14:18:44 <PhilA2> rreck: Sam: not the size of the largest networks
14:18:46 <PhilA2> rreck: Sam: slides 3 & 4 are screenshots
14:18:48 <PhilA2> rreck: Sam: slide 5 is about security
14:18:50 <PhilA2> rreck: Sam: default is not show location
14:18:52 <PhilA2> rreck: Sam: everyone can see profile
14:18:54 <PhilA2> rreck: Sam: Western areas are more concerned about this
14:18:57 <PhilA2> rreck: Sam: content visibility default allows everyone to see it
14:18:58 <PhilA2> rreck: Sam: these settings can be changed
14:19:00 <PhilA2> rreck: Sam: friend of friend setting is being considered for the future
14:19:02 <PhilA2> rreck: Sam: identification standard is important
14:19:05 <PhilA2> rreck: Sam: since advertising is the business model. knowing the member is important to perpetuate this 
14:19:06 <PhilA2> rreck: Sam: importing and exporting media would be nice
14:19:09 <PhilA2> rreck: Sam: there are potential conflicts of interest in developing this further
14:19:10 <PhilA2> rreck: Sam: future sensor information would be useful
14:19:12 <PhilA2> rreck: Sam: metrics are useful for investors
14:19:14 <PhilA2> AlexKorth: until how many members?
14:19:16 <PhilA2> rreck: Sam: opt in feature for adding comments
14:19:18 <PhilA2> mischat: q+
14:19:20 <PhilA2> : Zakim sees mischat on the speaker queue
14:19:21 <PhilA2> mischat: zakim, unmute me
14:19:24 <PhilA2> Zakim: mischat should no longer be muted
14:19:26 <PhilA2> DKA: q?
14:19:28 <PhilA2> : Zakim sees mischat on the speaker queue
14:19:30 <PhilA2> DKA: ack misc
14:19:32 <PhilA2> : Zakim sees no one on the speaker queue
14:19:34 <PhilA2> rreck: Sam: determining the impact of these features would be helpful
14:19:36 <PhilA2> rreck: mischat: how much information do you need from users aside from that provided by openID
14:19:39 <PhilA2> rreck: Sam: email and mobile phone number is requested
14:19:40 <PhilA2> rreck: Sam: we contact people through those vectors
14:19:42 <PhilA2> rreck: Sam: we ask for name but cannot verify it
14:19:44 <PhilA2> rreck: Sam: we hope to collect additional information
14:19:46 <PhilA2> rreck: mischat: are you allowing people to comment on locations?
14:19:48 <PhilA2> rreck: Sam: this requires identification of a place at a location. comments about that place is then possible
14:19:50 <PhilA2> rreck: mischat: i believe the information you request is available through openID
14:19:52 <PhilA2> rreck: Sam: can we retain that information?
14:19:54 <PhilA2> PhilA2: zakim, close action-60
14:19:56 <PhilA2> Zakim: I don't understand 'close action-60', PhilA2
14:19:58 <PhilA2> rreck: mischat: yes, through an unique identifier. A URI
14:20:00 <PhilA2> karl: http://twitter.com/fil_rezo_net/status/2777730072
14:20:41 <AlexKorth> dont we have a better flood protection here?
14:21:27 <AlexKorth> where have all the hyper-sensitive IRC bots gone? ;)
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