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11:59:41 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_MFWG
11:59:41 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_MFWG()8:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
11:59:42 <trackbot> Meeting: Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
11:59:42 <trackbot> Date: 22 July 2009
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12:00:08 <mhausenblas> Chair: Erik
12:00:17 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Jul/0022.html
12:00:23 <mhausenblas> Previous: 2009-07-15 http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-mediafrag-minutes.html
12:00:26 <Zakim> IA_MFWG()8:00AM has now started
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12:00:27 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Jack
12:00:33 <Zakim> + +49.300.aaaa
12:00:35 <mhausenblas> rrsagent, make record public
12:00:39 <mhausenblas> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:00:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-mediafrag-minutes.html mhausenblas
12:00:44 <mhausenblas> Scribenick: mhausenblas
12:00:56 <Zakim> +Gui
12:01:04 <Zakim> +mhausenblas
12:01:13 <mhausenblas> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:01:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-mediafrag-minutes.html mhausenblas
12:01:24 <Zakim> + +0329331aabb
12:02:06 <Zakim> +Yves-office
12:03:35 <Zakim> +??P9
12:03:49 <conrad>  Zakim ??P9 is me
12:03:56 <conrad> Zakim ??P9 is me
12:04:44 <mhausenblas> Zakim, ??P9 is conrad 
12:04:44 <Zakim> +conrad; got it
12:05:07 <conrad> Zakim, mute me
12:05:07 <Zakim> conrad should now be muted
12:05:52 <raphael> Present: Conrad, Yves, Michael, Raphael, Erik, Guillaume, Davy, Silvia (irc)
12:06:16 <raphael> Regrets: Jack
12:06:21 <raphael> Chair: Erik
12:06:38 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-mediafrag-minutes.html previous 2009-07-15
12:06:42 <mhausenblas> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:06:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-mediafrag-minutes.html mhausenblas
12:07:28 <Yves> Previous Meeting: http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-mediafrag-minutes.html
12:07:35 <mhausenblas> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:07:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-mediafrag-minutes.html mhausenblas
12:08:08 <mhausenblas> Topic: ADMIN
12:08:30 <mhausenblas> raphael: review of last week not sent out yet; postponed
12:08:52 <Gui> zakim, mute me
12:08:52 <Zakim> Gui should now be muted
12:09:19 <mhausenblas> ACTION-92
12:09:35 <mhausenblas> show ACTION-92
12:10:21 <mhausenblas> ACTION-92?
12:10:21 <trackbot> ACTION-92 -- Erik Mannens to erik and Raphael to coordinate the writing of papers -- due 2009-07-22 -- OPEN
12:10:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/92
12:10:53 <mhausenblas> raphael: before we do more dissemination we need to settle the current work
12:12:04 <mhausenblas> Topic: UC & REQUIREMENTS
12:12:14 <mhausenblas> ACTION-65?
12:12:14 <trackbot> ACTION-65 -- Raphaël Troncy to split current document into i) UC and Req and ii) Syntax and Processing and setup the diff in xmlspec -- due 2009-04-23 -- OPEN
12:12:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/65
12:12:21 <mhausenblas> close ACTION-65
12:12:21 <trackbot> ACTION-65 Split current document into i) UC and Req and ii) Syntax and Processing and setup the diff in xmlspec closed
12:13:19 <mhausenblas> raphael: done, you'll need an XSLT-2 processor for it
12:13:38 <mhausenblas> ACTION-68
12:13:41 <mhausenblas> ACTION-68?
12:13:41 <trackbot> ACTION-68 -- Raphaël Troncy to ask the Media Annotations WG to review our document -- due 2009-04-23 -- OPEN
12:13:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/68
12:14:06 <mhausenblas> Topic: SPECIFICATION
12:15:16 <Yves> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Jul/0005.html
12:15:21 <mhausenblas> ACTION-74?
12:15:21 <trackbot> ACTION-74 -- Erik Mannens to erik and Raphael to request feedback of other groups such as SYMM, SVG, HTML + WHATWG, WAI, MAWG, TAG, MobileWeb, TimedText -- due 2009-04-24 -- OPEN
12:15:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/74
12:15:25 <Yves> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Jun/0180.html
12:15:34 <mhausenblas> Yves: I've contacted TAG, see above
12:16:19 <mhausenblas> ... we might want to resume end of August
12:16:33 <mhausenblas> ACTION-49?
12:16:33 <trackbot> ACTION-49 -- Yves Lafon to draft the HTTP-Range syntax for different units (completing all the syntax for the two way handshake) -- due 2009-03-25 -- OPEN
12:16:33 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/49
12:16:49 <mhausenblas> ACTION-86?
12:16:49 <trackbot> ACTION-86 -- Raphaël Troncy to to bring the 'comma optional' discussion during next week telecon, in order to measure the price when releasing the syntax -- due 2009-07-01 -- OPEN
12:16:49 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/86
12:16:55 <mhausenblas> ACTION-88?
12:16:55 <trackbot> ACTION-88 -- Yves Lafon to verify that making the comma optional brings no ambiguities in our syntax -- due 2009-07-22 -- OPEN
12:16:55 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/88
12:17:04 <mhausenblas> close ACTION-86
12:17:04 <trackbot> ACTION-86 to bring the 'comma optional' discussion during next week telecon, in order to measure the price when releasing the syntax closed
12:17:40 <mhausenblas> Yves: removing comma causes no ambiguities 
12:17:49 <mhausenblas> ... but we have to resolve the semantics
12:18:06 <mhausenblas> ... re start/end point; we need to be clear
12:18:23 <Yves> http://youtubetime.com/
12:18:24 <mhausenblas> ... see also http://youtubetime.com/
12:19:43 <mhausenblas> Michael: re TC I'll have to go through it again and see which are effected (and reset them to on-hold)
12:21:38 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: for temporal MF the comma is optional and if one provided this means it is the starting time
12:21:51 <mhausenblas> +1
12:21:52 <raphael> +1
12:21:55 <davy> +1
12:22:04 <erik> +1
12:22:13 <conrad> +1
12:22:18 <Gui> +1
12:22:27 <mhausenblas> RESOLVED: for temporal MF the comma is optional and if one provided this means it is the starting time
12:22:38 <mhausenblas> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:22:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-mediafrag-minutes.html mhausenblas
12:23:30 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Michael to revisit the TC and see which are effected by the temporal-optional-comma-decision
12:23:30 <trackbot> Created ACTION-93 - Revisit the TC and see which are effected by the temporal-optional-comma-decision [on Michael Hausenblas - due 2009-07-29].
12:24:45 <mhausenblas> close ACTION-88
12:24:45 <trackbot> ACTION-88 Verify that making the comma optional brings no ambiguities in our syntax closed
12:24:49 <conrad> Zakim, unmute me
12:24:49 <Zakim> conrad should no longer be muted
12:24:53 <mhausenblas> ACTION-69?
12:24:53 <trackbot> ACTION-69 -- Conrad Parker to draw a representation of the general structure of a media resource, for streamable formats (H/H' + K + D1 + D2 + D3) -- due 2009-04-24 -- OPEN
12:24:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/69
12:25:17 <mhausenblas> Chair: raphael 
12:25:21 <mhausenblas> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:25:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-mediafrag-minutes.html mhausenblas
12:27:10 <mhausenblas> conrad: people should review the proposal on the Wiki
12:27:23 <mhausenblas> ... and give feedback via mailing list
12:27:43 <mhausenblas> raphael: in August we will continue this and reach consensus in Sep
12:27:56 <mhausenblas> ACTION-64?
12:27:56 <trackbot> ACTION-64 -- Michael Hausenblas to write into the WD section 6.4, what the client should do with #everything after the hash : "Client Side Media Fragment Resolution" -- due 2009-05-22 -- OPEN
12:27:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/64
12:27:59 <conrad> Zakim, mute me
12:27:59 <Zakim> conrad should now be muted
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12:28:25 <mhausenblas> close ACTION-85
12:28:25 <trackbot> ACTION-85 Update resolution page, TC pages with that resolution closed
12:28:37 <mhausenblas> Topic: TEST CASES
12:28:47 <mhausenblas> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TestCases TC
12:28:58 <mhausenblas> close ACTION-87
12:28:58 <trackbot> ACTION-87 Add the HTTP status code for all TC closed
12:31:51 <mhausenblas> Michael: we need to be more explicit re output (HTTP status code is fine, but more details re response header, etc.)
12:32:06 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
12:32:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-mediafrag-minutes.html mhausenblas
12:32:47 <mhausenblas> Topic: ISSUES
12:33:00 <mhausenblas> ISSUE-3?
12:33:00 <trackbot> ISSUE-3 -- Does our MF URI syntax imply that we need to update MIME Type registrations? -- OPEN
12:33:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/3
12:34:06 <mhausenblas> ACTION-89
12:34:09 <mhausenblas> ACTION-89?
12:34:09 <trackbot> ACTION-89 -- Yves Lafon to find out more about fragment identifier registration -- due 2009-07-22 -- OPEN
12:34:09 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/89
12:34:20 <mhausenblas> Yves: at next IETF meeting
12:34:45 <Zakim> -conrad
12:35:15 <mhausenblas> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Jul/0019.html
12:36:39 <mhausenblas> Michael: I dunno how to handle it
12:38:00 <mhausenblas> Yves: should be in both directions, indeed
12:38:34 <mhausenblas> raphael: can you, Yves, answer Cyril on the list?
12:38:42 <mhausenblas> Yves: will do
12:42:50 <mhausenblas> Topic: IMPLEMENTATION
12:42:59 <mhausenblas> ACTION-90?
12:42:59 <trackbot> ACTION-90 -- Davy Van Deursen to provide a pointer to Yves to a lib he can use to slice media files -- due 2009-07-22 -- OPEN
12:42:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/90
12:43:20 <Gui> zakim, unmute me
12:43:20 <Zakim> Gui should no longer be muted
12:43:41 <mhausenblas> ACTION-91?
12:43:41 <trackbot> ACTION-91 -- Guillaume (Jean-Louis) Olivrin to look at the python gst lib -- due 2009-07-22 -- OPEN
12:43:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/91
12:43:44 <mhausenblas> both continue
12:43:50 <mhausenblas> Topic: AOB
12:44:51 <mhausenblas> raphael: either real F2F in Amsterdam or ...
12:44:59 <mhausenblas> virtual meeting
12:45:30 <mhausenblas> ... we wait till end of August
12:45:38 <mhausenblas> rrsagent, please draft minutes
12:45:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-mediafrag-minutes.html mhausenblas
12:45:57 <mhausenblas> [adjourned]
12:45:59 <Zakim> -raphael
12:46:00 <Zakim> -Erik
12:46:02 <mhausenblas> zakim, list attendees
12:46:02 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +49.300.aaaa, Gui, mhausenblas, +0329331aabb, raphael, Erik, Yves-office, conrad
12:46:04 <Zakim> -Yves-office
12:46:15 <mhausenblas> zakim, bye
12:46:15 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were +49.300.aaaa, Gui, mhausenblas, +0329331aabb, raphael, Erik, Yves-office, conrad
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12:46:20 <mhausenblas> rrsagent, bye
12:46:20 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-mediafrag-actions.rdf :
12:46:20 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael to revisit the TC and see which are effected by the temporal-optional-comma-decision [1]
12:46:20 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/22-mediafrag-irc#T12-23-30