IRC log of soap-jms on 2009-07-21

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RRSAgent, make logs public

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Zakim, this will be SJMS

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ok, trackbot; I see WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM scheduled to start in 1 minute

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Meeting: SOAP-JMS Binding Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 21 July 2009

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WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM has now started

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+Eric

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+alewis

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+ +0196270aaaa

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16:01:03 [mphillip]

Zakim, aaaa is mphillip

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+mphillip; got it

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+Yves

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+Phil

16:03:20 [eric]

Derek - are you going to have a phone presence?

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2009Jul/0009.html

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Regrets: Peter

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Chair: Eric

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Topic: Appointment of the scribe

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Scribe: Mark

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Minutes from last call: http://www.w3.org/2009/07/14-soap-jms-minutes.html

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Topic: Minutes

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No revisions

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+Derek

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Topic: Review the agenda

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TOPIC: Review the agenda

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Eric: We should add an AOB item for UDDI question

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TOPIC: Review action items

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Actions: http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/soapjms/tracker/actions/open

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Eric: No progress on 32

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Eric: No progress on action 92

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s/92/91/

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Mark: Proposed changes for action 92 sent to mailing list

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Derek: No progress on 68

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close action-92

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ACTION-92 Propose the wording for the change to split 2024 into three testable assertions closed

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Eric: no progress on 93

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2009Jul/0013.html

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Proposal for action 92 linked above

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Rework Protocol-2021 http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/CR-soapjms-20090604/#Protocol-2021

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Eric: Suggest a single assertion "The client must create the property according to these rules"

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Eric: then set out the rules "The requestURI must be derived from the supplied URI by leaving the destinationName as-is, and removing the targetService and replyToName"

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Eric: "The client SHOULD remove deliveryMode ...., MAY remove ..." etc

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Eric: Put the rules first then have an assertion which states that the conforming client MUST follow the rules

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Mark: Will have another go at the wording based on those comments

16:23:42 [mphillip]

action mark to reword the protocol-2024 proposal

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Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - mark

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Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. mhapner, mphillip)

16:24:06 [mphillip]

action mphillip to reword the protocol-2024 proposal

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Created ACTION-94 - to reword the protocol-2024 proposal [on Mark Phillips - due 2009-07-28].

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TOPIC: URI specification:

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Eric: Have not heard from Dongbo yet

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Mark: Still waiting for IBM counsel to approve

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Eric: No word from Peter & Progress

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Eric: Once we have approval I will start to push the RFC forward again

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TOPIC: Specification changes process

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Eric: Edits are clearly needed, but we need to track them very carefully and justify them, to avoid going back to working draft state

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Eric: Proposed process is outlined in agenda

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Eric: i.e.

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Proposed process:

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* Emails submitted on mailing list - issues should be individual:

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http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/soapjms/#issues

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* Each item tracked in our tracker.

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* Issues remain "open" until we have the revised text in a copy

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of the spec, and agree to it.

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No objection to this process

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action Eric to Raise a tracking issue for each of the specification changes we have proposed

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Created ACTION-95 - Raise a tracking issue for each of the specification changes we have proposed [on Eric Johnson - due 2009-07-28].

16:31:40 [mphillip]

TOPIC: FAQ - action item follow-up

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Derek: No progress

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TOPIC: FAQ - review of proposed questions

16:32:04 [eric]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2009Jul/0010.html

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2009Jul/0011.html

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Eric: Proposed questions sent to list (see above )

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Phil: All look like good questions

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Derek: Agreed

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Amy: OK too

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Mark: Asks for clarification on Eric's first question

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Eric: One of first statements in spec is that interoperability between JMS providers is out of scope... will reword the question

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Mark: Maybe a question about which implementations are tested

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Eric: That will be included in an exit report as part of the specification process

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thanks Yves :-)

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Eric: We'll use that question to point to the record of testers & conformant impls

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Amy: May send further questions to list

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action Amy to formulate further FAQ questions

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Sorry, couldn't find user - Amy

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action alewis to formulate further FAQ questions

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Created ACTION-96 - Formulate further FAQ questions [on Amelia Lewis - due 2009-07-28].

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action Derek to formulate further FAQ questions

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Created ACTION-97 - Formulate further FAQ questions [on Derek Rokicki - due 2009-07-28].

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action Phil to formulate further FAQ questions

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Created ACTION-98 - Formulate further FAQ questions [on Phil Adams - due 2009-07-28].

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action Eric to Edit the FAQ page to add a general structure to the Wiki

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Created ACTION-99 - Edit the FAQ page to add a general structure to the Wiki [on Eric Johnson - due 2009-07-28].

16:42:30 [mphillip]

Eric: We can all edit the Wiki to answer the questions

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Phil: Will we need any special permissions

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http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/soapjms/wiki/Main_Page

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Yves: May need to grant appropriate access - try it first then contact Yves if access denied

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TOPIC: Implementations - any updates?

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Derek: What's the timeline

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Eric: As long as it takes - we don't get to Rec until we have two implementations. IBM has one in-flight

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Phil: IBM WebSphere has delivered an implementation which we believe to comply

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Eric: ...and CXF are working - see mailing list for link to status page

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Eric: Filed a bug against Apache Axis2 to update their SOAP/JMS implementation. Hope to do some work on it.

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Eric: TIBCO is working on an implementation - possible delivery <6 months

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TOPIC: AOB?

16:48:04 [mphillip]

UDDI note could be an FAQ entry

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-Phil

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-mphillip

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-alewis

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-Yves

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-Derek

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WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM has ended

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Attendees were Eric, alewis, +0196270aaaa, mphillip, Yves, Phil, Derek

16:52:59 [eric]

trackbot, generate minutes

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Sorry, eric, I don't understand 'trackbot, generate minutes'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help

16:53:44 [eric]

zakim, generate minutes

16:53:44 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'generate minutes', eric

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rrsagent, generate minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/21-soap-jms-minutes.html eric

16:56:00 [mphillip]

thanks eric, was just trying to find that in my notes!

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