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12:02:17 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_MFWG
12:02:17 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see IA_MFWG()8:00AM already started
12:02:18 <trackbot> Meeting: Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
12:02:18 <trackbot> Date: 15 July 2009
12:02:44 <Gui> zakim, status
12:02:44 <Zakim> I don't understand 'status', Gui
12:03:18 <Gui> zakim, +2712841aabb is Gui
12:03:18 <Zakim> +Gui; got it
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12:03:34 <Zakim> +??P4
12:04:01 <davy> Zakim, ??P4 is Davy
12:04:01 <Zakim> +Davy; got it
12:04:06 <Zakim> + +3539149aacc
12:04:16 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aacc is me
12:04:16 <Zakim> +mhausenblas; got it
12:04:25 <conrad> Zakim, ??P1 is me
12:04:25 <Zakim> +conrad; got it
12:05:50 <davy> scribenick: davy
12:06:30 <conrad> Zakim, mute me
12:06:30 <Zakim> conrad should now be muted
12:06:33 <Gui> zakim, mute me
12:06:33 <Zakim> Gui was already muted, Gui
12:08:22 <Zakim> +Yves
12:09:05 <davy> regrets: Jack, Raphaël
12:09:17 <davy> Topic: 1. ADMIN
12:09:33 <davy> Accept minutes on http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-mediafrag-minutes.html?
12:09:36 <mhausenblas> +1
12:09:38 <erik> +1
12:09:40 <Yves> +1
12:09:43 <Gui> +1
12:09:54 <davy> erik: minutes accepted
12:10:07 <davy> TOPIC: 2. UC & REQUIREMENTS
12:10:24 <davy> erik: actions still ongoing
12:10:49 <davy> erik: Raphaël promised to do A-65 today
12:11:02 <davy> mhausenblas: can someone else do this action?
12:12:07 <davy> erik: if Raphaël is overloaded, he should give this action to someone else
12:12:32 <davy> ... we will ask him next time he's around
12:12:41 <mhausenblas> s/he should give this action to someone else/we would be happy to support him
12:12:50 <davy> erik: other actions: waiting for feedback
12:13:02 <davy> TOPIC: 3. SPECIFICATION
12:13:16 <mhausenblas> rrsagent, make logs public
12:13:23 <mhausenblas> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:13:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-mediafrag-minutes.html mhausenblas
12:13:37 <davy> erik: Yves, status A-49?
12:13:51 <davy> Yves: wait for the HTTP meeting
12:14:47 <davy> ... it should be quite easy to draft this syntax
12:15:26 <davy> mhausenblas: anything in HTTP bis specs that affect our group?
12:16:37 <davy> Yves: I see us as a consumer of the HTTP specs
12:17:02 <davy> ... but we need to ensure that what we use is well defined
12:18:51 <davy> erik: explaining the edit units mail
12:19:39 <davy> close ACTION-84
12:19:39 <trackbot> ACTION-84 Summarize the info from Jean Pierre, and mail it to the group closed
12:20:38 <davy> erik: regarding A-86, should we bring the comma optional?
12:21:31 <davy> erik: we can do a vote?
12:21:33 <conrad> optional +1
12:22:02 <davy> mhausenblas: is anybody against?
12:22:15 <erik> optional +1
12:23:21 <Gui> looking back into the last acceoted minutes, we had silvia stating it as option and 3 additional votes
12:23:49 <mhausenblas> Previous: http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-mediafrag-minutes.html
12:23:58 <mhausenblas> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:23:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-mediafrag-minutes.html mhausenblas
12:24:02 <Gui> This was http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-mediafrag-minutes.html#action03 
12:25:17 <davy> Action: Yves to verify that making the comma optional brings no ambiguities in our syntax
12:25:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-88 - Verify that making the comma optional brings no ambiguities in our syntax [on Yves Lafon - due 2009-07-22].
12:26:22 <conrad> Zakim, unmute me
12:26:22 <Zakim> conrad should no longer be muted
12:26:27 <Gui> zakim, mute me
12:26:27 <Zakim> Gui should now be muted
12:26:38 <conrad> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/HTTP_Examples
12:27:14 <mhausenblas> s/Previous:/Previous: 2009-06-24
12:27:17 <mhausenblas> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:27:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-mediafrag-minutes.html mhausenblas
12:27:29 <davy> erik: regarding A-63 ...
12:29:09 <davy> conrad: explaining the examples on the wiki page
12:29:13 <davy> erik: any comments?
12:29:50 <davy> Yves: did you changed the examples according to my comments?
12:29:55 <davy> conrad: yes, i did
12:30:17 <davy> close action-63
12:30:17 <trackbot> ACTION-63 Update the Wiki with his more general approach with precisely the same examples closed
12:30:45 <davy> close action-80
12:30:45 <trackbot> ACTION-80 Provide some rational and use cases for his proposal closed
12:31:22 <davy> conrad: A-69 is still ongoing
12:31:49 <conrad> Zakim, mute me
12:31:49 <Zakim> conrad should now be muted
12:32:31 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Semantics
12:32:53 <davy> mhausenblas: A-64 is only possible after splitting the document (cfr. A-65)
12:33:23 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/UserAgentMediaFragmentResolution
12:35:47 <davy> mhausenblas: A-87 is ongoing
12:36:58 <davy> TOPIC: 5. ISSUES
12:37:14 <davy> close action-76
12:37:14 <trackbot> ACTION-76 Contact the editors of MPEG-21 Part 17 regarding the registry of their scheme closed
12:38:04 <davy> erik: not clear yet if MPEG fragment identifiers are registered
12:39:34 <mhausenblas> I'm looking at http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4288
12:40:16 <davy> section 4.11
12:41:19 <mhausenblas> Michael: really two issues here
12:41:43 <davy> action: Yves to find out more about fragment identifier registration
12:41:43 <trackbot> Created ACTION-89 - Find out more about fragment identifier registration [on Yves Lafon - due 2009-07-22].
12:41:52 <mhausenblas> Michael: one is re the SHOULD re frags in sec 4.11 of RFC4288
12:42:20 <davy> erik: status on a-62?
12:42:31 <davy> Yves: sent a mail to TAG, but no feedback yet
12:42:50 <mhausenblas> Michael: other is re registered image/*, video/* and audio/* - to me the answer here is: no, MPEG21 only has registered application/mp21 and hence we there is no clash
12:43:18 <davy> mhausenblas: A-82 is still ongoing
12:44:24 <davy> ... this depends on reviewing and discussing the test cases
12:45:35 <conrad> Zakim, unmute me
12:45:35 <Zakim> conrad should no longer be muted
12:45:43 <Gui> zakim, unmute me
12:45:43 <Zakim> Gui should no longer be muted
12:46:02 <conrad> Zakim, mute me
12:46:02 <Zakim> conrad should now be muted
12:46:24 <davy> erik: resolutions for i-4 and i-10?
12:46:40 <conrad> Zakim, unmute me
12:46:40 <Zakim> conrad should no longer be muted
12:48:05 <davy> erik: no resolution yet on i-4, to be discussed further
12:48:40 <Gui> zakim, mute me
12:48:40 <Zakim> Gui should now be muted
12:48:41 <conrad> Zakim, mute me
12:48:41 <Zakim> conrad should now be muted
12:48:44 <mhausenblas> Michael: re issue 10 the answer is easy
12:48:45 <mhausenblas> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009May/0038.html
12:49:15 <Gui> We may need an action to resolve ISSUE-4.
12:49:45 <Gui> We should find what action ( or maybe a vote) is required at any next teleconf when Silvia is present
12:49:46 <davy> TOPIC: 6. IMPLEMENTATION
12:49:51 <davy> erik: status?
12:50:09 <davy> ... first work further on syntax and test cases?
12:50:31 <mhausenblas> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:50:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-mediafrag-minutes.html mhausenblas
12:50:50 <Gui> Yves has looked at libraries in Java 
12:51:05 <Gui> Jack ( I think ) has looked at libraries in Python
12:51:07 <davy> Yves: looking for media slicing tools is part of the work, but do not depend on the syntax
12:51:17 <davy> ... so we can start working on this kind of things
12:51:53 <davy> ... not found a suitable non-transcoding media slicing tool
12:52:02 <Gui> Yves asks for help for implementation : how to slice the media without transcoding 
12:52:04 <davy> Zakim, unmute me
12:52:05 <Zakim> Davy should no longer be muted
12:53:05 <mhausenblas> scribenick: mhausenblas 
12:53:10 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Jul/0014.html
12:53:17 <mhausenblas> scribenick: davy
12:53:30 <mhausenblas> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:53:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-mediafrag-minutes.html mhausenblas
12:53:51 <davy> action: davy to provide a pointer to Yves to a lib he can use to slice media files
12:53:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-90 - Provide a pointer to Yves to a lib he can use to slice media files [on Davy Van Deursen - due 2009-07-22].
12:54:06 <Gui> Zakim, unmute me
12:54:06 <Zakim> Gui should no longer be muted
12:54:24 <mhausenblas> scribenick: mhausenblas
12:54:50 <mhausenblas> Chair: erik 
12:54:59 <mhausenblas> Previous: 2009-06-24 http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-mediafrag-minutes.html
12:55:06 <mhausenblas> scribenick: davy 
12:55:14 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
12:55:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-mediafrag-minutes.html mhausenblas
12:56:36 <davy> action: Gui to look at the python gst lib
12:56:36 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Gui
12:56:41 <Gui> python-gst (gstreamer)
12:57:15 <davy> erik: aob?
12:58:00 <davy> Gui: do we need an action about writing papers
12:58:11 <Gui> Should an action be created on co-authoring and publishing papers in order to remind/coordinate the efforts?
12:58:21 <conrad> Zakim, unmute me
12:58:21 <Zakim> conrad should no longer be muted
12:59:55 <davy> action: Guillaume to look at the python gst lib
12:59:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-91 - Look at the python gst lib [on Guillaume (Jean-Louis) Olivrin - due 2009-07-22].
13:00:06 <Gui> thanks
13:00:11 <mhausenblas> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:00:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-mediafrag-minutes.html mhausenblas
13:00:53 <mhausenblas> drop action 4
13:00:54 <davy> action: Raphaël & Erik to coordinate the writing of papers
13:00:54 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Raphaël
13:01:02 <davy> action: Raphael & Erik to coordinate the writing of papers
13:01:02 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Raphael
13:01:17 <davy> action: Erik & Raphaël to coordinate the writing of papers
13:01:17 <trackbot> Could not create new action - action title not proper UTF-8
13:01:27 <Zakim> -mhausenblas
13:01:29 <Zakim> -Gui
13:01:29 <Zakim> -Yves
13:01:31 <Zakim> - +0329331aaaa
13:01:35 <Zakim> -Davy
13:01:38 <Zakim> -conrad
13:01:41 <davy> action: Erik & Raphael to coordinate the writing of papers
13:01:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-92 - & Raphael to coordinate the writing of papers [on Erik Mannens - due 2009-07-22].
13:01:42 <Zakim> IA_MFWG()8:00AM has ended
13:01:48 <Zakim> Attendees were +0329331aaaa, Gui, Davy, +3539149aacc, mhausenblas, conrad, Yves
13:02:27 <mhausenblas> Zakim, bye
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13:02:37 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, bye
13:02:37 <RRSAgent> I see 9 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-mediafrag-actions.rdf :
13:02:37 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to verify that making the comma optional brings no ambiguities in our syntax [1]
13:02:37 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-mediafrag-irc#T12-25-17
13:02:37 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to find out more about fragment identifier registration [2]
13:02:37 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-mediafrag-irc#T12-41-43
13:02:37 <RRSAgent> ACTION: davy to provide a pointer to Yves to a lib he can use to slice media files [3]
13:02:37 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-mediafrag-irc#T12-53-51
13:02:37 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Gui to look at the python gst lib [4]
13:02:37 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-mediafrag-irc#T12-56-36
13:02:37 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Guillaume to look at the python gst lib [5]
13:02:37 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-mediafrag-irc#T12-59-55
13:02:37 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Raphaël & Erik to coordinate the writing of papers [6]
13:02:37 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-mediafrag-irc#T13-00-54
13:02:37 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Raphael & Erik to coordinate the writing of papers [7]
13:02:37 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-mediafrag-irc#T13-01-02
13:02:37 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Erik & Raphaël to coordinate the writing of papers [8]
13:02:37 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-mediafrag-irc#T13-01-17
13:02:37 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Erik & Raphael to coordinate the writing of papers [9]
13:02:37 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/07/15-mediafrag-irc#T13-01-41