IRC log of CSS on 2009-06-24
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/06/24-CSS-irc
- 15:56:03 [glazou]
- Zakim, this will be Style
- 15:56:03 [Zakim]
- ok, glazou, I see Style_CSS FP()12:00PM already started
- 15:56:20 [glazou]
- welcome oyvinds
- 15:57:04 [oyvinds]
- thanks
- 15:57:17 [cesar_acebal]
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- 15:58:25 [glazou]
- roligt att se att folk kan ite säga "Øy"
- 15:58:34 [glazou]
- s/ite/inte
- 15:58:37 [glazou]
- hola cesar_acebal
- 15:58:53 [glazou]
- Zakim, who is here?
- 15:58:53 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see +95089aaaa
- 15:58:54 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see sgalineau, cesar_acebal, RRSAgent, oyvinds, glazou, Lachy, annevk, MikeSmith, shepazu, krijnh, Bert, fantasai, plinss, plinss_, trackbot, Hixie, Zakim
- 15:59:04 [glazou]
- Zakim, +95089aaaa is me
- 15:59:04 [Zakim]
- +glazou; got it
- 15:59:04 [MikeSmith]
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- +[Microsoft]
- 15:59:33 [sgalineau]
- Zakim, [Microsoft] has sylvaing
- 15:59:33 [Zakim]
- +sylvaing; got it
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- +??P4
- 16:01:16 [fantasai]
- Zakim, ??P4 is fantasai
- 16:01:16 [Zakim]
- +fantasai; got it
- 16:04:08 [Zakim]
- + +34.60.940.aabb
- 16:05:26 [cesar_acebal]
- Zakim, +34.60.940.aabb is CesarAcebal
- 16:05:28 [Zakim]
- +CesarAcebal; got it
- 16:08:07 [fantasai]
- Zakim, who is here
- 16:08:07 [Zakim]
- fantasai, you need to end that query with '?'
- 16:08:10 [fantasai]
- Zakim, who is here?
- 16:08:10 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see glazou, [Microsoft], fantasai, CesarAcebal
- 16:08:11 [Zakim]
- [Microsoft] has sylvaing
- 16:08:14 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see arronei, sgalineau, cesar_acebal, RRSAgent, oyvinds, glazou, Lachy, annevk, shepazu, krijnh, Bert, fantasai, plinss, plinss_, trackbot, Hixie, Zakim
- 16:09:25 [annevk]
- fantasai, while I'm still here, page-break would become sugar for break, not the other way around
- 16:09:37 [fantasai]
- ok
- 16:11:09 [glazou]
- hi annevk
- 16:13:34 [sgalineau]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Jun/0116.html
- 16:13:52 [fantasai]
- ScribeNick: fantasai
- 16:14:01 [fantasai]
- We do not have enough people for full discussion.
- 16:14:16 [fantasai]
- Topic: CSS2.1 Issue 61
- 16:14:19 [fantasai]
- http://wiki.csswg.org/spec/css2.1#issue-61
- 16:14:38 [fantasai]
- Sylvain: Has to do with defining percentage heights for internal table elements.
- 16:14:46 [fantasai]
- Sylvain: Spec says it should compute to 'auto'
- 16:14:52 [fantasai]
- Sylvain: but in practice this is not what happens.
- 16:14:59 [fantasai]
- Sylvain: Everybody does something different
- 16:15:13 [fantasai]
- Sylvain: One thing to do is make it undefined
- 16:15:27 [fantasai]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Jun/0116.html
- 16:15:44 [fantasai]
- Glazou: browser vendors very unlikely to change things wrt percentage heights anytime soon
- 16:16:05 [fantasai]
- Sylvain: They might do it before 2.1, but it would take a long time to develop and agree on an algorithm
- 16:16:18 [fantasai]
- Glazou: It's a can of worms, it would take ages to specify everything. We don't have time
- 16:16:51 [fantasai]
- Sylvain and glazou would like to define this, but must be pragmatic for CSS2.1
- 16:17:03 [glazou]
- oyvinds, annevk : opinion ?
- 16:17:10 [glazou]
- can you join the call BTW ?
- 16:17:52 [fantasai]
- RESOLVED: proposal accepted for css2.1 issue 61
- 16:18:57 [oyvinds]
- I defer to my senior colleagues
- 16:19:08 [glazou]
- but your senior colleagues are not here
- 16:19:33 [Zakim]
- +[Mozilla]
- 16:19:48 [oyvinds]
- counting annevk as one in terms of specs experience
- 16:20:19 [fantasai]
- glazou summarizes the call so far for dbaron
- 16:20:35 [fantasai]
- dbaron agrees with resolution
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- Zakim, [Mozilla] has dbaron
- 16:21:26 [Zakim]
- +dbaron; got it
- 16:21:34 [fantasai]
- http://wiki.csswg.org/spec/css2.1#issue-115
- 16:23:59 [glazou]
- http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-images/
- 16:25:21 [sgalineau]
- Zakim, [Microsoft] has arronei
- 16:25:21 [Zakim]
- +arronei; got it
- 16:25:35 [fantasai]
- fantasai summarizes what's in the css3-images draft
- 16:26:58 [fantasai]
- example of image(): background-image: image(wavy.svg, 'wavy.png' 150dpi, "wavy.gif" or blue);
- 16:28:12 [fantasai]
- using 'or' instead of comma for the color b/c draft currently allows unquoted URLs (that don't contain problematic chars)
- 16:28:33 [fantasai]
- Sprites section unwritten
- 16:28:39 [fantasai]
- link to discussions
- 16:29:12 [fantasai]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Jan/0284.html
- 16:32:04 [fantasai]
- Resolution units --
- 16:33:20 [fantasai]
- introduce dppx
- 16:34:34 [fantasai]
- ACTION fantasai: add example showing what happens with background-color and image(.. or blue)
- 16:34:34 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-159 - Add example showing what happens with background-color and image(.. or blue) [on Elika Etemad - due 2009-07-01].
- 16:35:47 [fantasai]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Jun/0002.html explains why media fragments wg's work is important to css (very good explanation)
- 16:36:31 [fantasai]
- glazou: sprite proposal from Jorrit is something in between constants and variables and images
- 16:36:53 [fantasai]
- glazou: if we come up with a good solution for this section, the media fragment wg's work will be less critical
- 16:37:28 [fantasai]
- fantasai: dppx allows us to give 1dppx as default value for image-resolution property, leaving 'auto' to be used for 'do the right thing and use the image's resolution'
- 16:37:49 [fantasai]
- glazou: publish as FPWD?
- 16:37:58 [fantasai]
- dbaron: Would like Daniel's suggested example of fallback color with bgcolor
- 16:38:01 [dbaron]
- (1) Daniel's comment about fallback color interacting with 'background-color'
- 16:38:13 [dbaron]
- (2) having a bit of an introduction to the "Image Sprites" section
- 16:38:25 [dbaron]
- to explain how it's different from slices
- 16:38:53 [fantasai]
- ACTION fantasai: add intro to sprites section
- 16:38:53 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-160 - Add intro to sprites section [on Elika Etemad - due 2009-07-01].
- 16:39:42 [fantasai]
- dbaron: for issues in transitions, I still have more comments
- 16:40:13 [fantasai]
- dbaron: I'm generally picking whatever is easiest for me as an implementor, worry about matching the spec later
- 16:40:17 [glazou]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Jun/0055.html
- 16:40:22 [fantasai]
- dbaron: when there's someone to discuss the spec with
- 16:40:40 [fantasai]
- dbaron: There are a whole bunch of archived comments once ss3-lists more substantive than that
- 16:40:50 [fantasai]
- dbaron: when we have an editor, the editor should go through www-style and find them all
- 16:41:36 [fantasai]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2009Jun/0115.html ?
- 16:41:53 [fantasai]
- need hyatt's feedback, too. He said he'd look at css3-background changes and issues this week
- 16:42:57 [Zakim]
- -[Mozilla]
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- -[Microsoft]
- 16:43:03 [fantasai]
- nothing else we can discuss today
- 16:43:04 [Zakim]
- -glazou
- 16:43:08 [fantasai]
- meeting closed
- 16:43:09 [Zakim]
- -CesarAcebal
- 16:43:20 [glazou]
- I am really worried, I hope Peter is not in too bad shape
- 16:44:39 [cesar_acebal]
- Daniel, I'm not sure to have understood well: is Bert who is very sick?
- 16:48:46 [fantasai]
- no, Bert is on vacation
- 16:50:39 [cesar_acebal]
- Oh, thank you, Elika. I had written two emails about the Template Layout Module and he hadn't answered. I was a bit worried, that's all.
- 16:51:00 [cesar_acebal]
- By the way, do you know when he comes back?
- 16:58:48 [glazou]
- end of the month
- 16:59:00 [glazou]
- he's always away in june, back to the Netherlands in general
- 17:00:22 [cesar_acebal]
- Ok, thank you, Daniel. I was planning to do a brief research stay at ERCIM to work with Bert on the Template Layout (and on my Ph. D. thesis about it) and I needed an acceptance letter, but I suppose I cant wait a few days. Thank you!
- 17:04:47 [glazou]
- np
- 17:05:01 [Zakim]
- disconnecting the lone participant, fantasai, in Style_CSS FP()12:00PM
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- Style_CSS FP()12:00PM has ended
- 17:05:05 [Zakim]
- Attendees were glazou, sylvaing, fantasai, CesarAcebal, dbaron, arronei
- 17:05:09 [cesar_acebal]
- Bye.
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- 22:17:04 [fantasai]
- dbaron: http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-images/ Does that look adequate to you?
- 22:46:45 [dbaron]
- fantasai, yep