14:59:38 RRSAgent has joined #mwts 14:59:38 logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/06/16-mwts-irc 14:59:40 RRSAgent, make logs public 14:59:40 Zakim has joined #mwts 14:59:42 Zakim, this will be MWI_TS 14:59:42 ok, trackbot, I see MWI_TSWG()11:00AM already started 14:59:43 Meeting: Mobile Web Initiative Test Suites Working Group Teleconference 14:59:43 Date: 16 June 2009 14:59:51 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2009Jun/0006.html 14:59:57 Regrets: Carmelo 15:00:10 zakim, who's on the call? 15:00:10 On the phone I see ??P4 15:00:14 zakim, code? 15:00:14 the conference code is 8794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), dom 15:00:43 +Wilhelm 15:01:03 + +39.525.1.aaaa 15:01:11 zakim, aaaa is me 15:01:11 +dom; got it 15:02:23 http://people.opera.com/wilhelmja/spartan.html 15:02:23 Topic: Widgets testing 15:02:27 ACTION-52? 15:02:27 ACTION-52 -- Wilhelm Joys Andersen to draft a blog post on SPARTAN -- due 2009-05-26 -- OPEN 15:02:27 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/52 15:02:42 Wilhelm: missing a few things, but the basic are there 15:02:45 ... will post before end of week 15:02:47 ACTION-2? 15:02:47 ACTION-2 -- Kai Hendry to continue integrating his tests WTF -- due 2009-05-01 -- OPEN 15:02:47 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/2 15:03:13 Kai: I joined the WebApps WG meeting last week - gave them a report of where I was 15:03:22 ... the widgets spec have changed quite a lot 15:03:52 ... I've been designing tests so that they could be queried through the Widget API 15:04:09 ... but the Widget API is quite unstable - the group won't be relying on them to be done 15:04:22 ... they are pushing ahead with packaging and configuration to CR 15:04:31 ... and they need tests that don't rely on Widgets API for that 15:04:48 ... when you look at all the "must" assertions in the P&C spec, 15:05:01 ... they're all down to ZIP tests, not using reserved names, etc 15:05:17 ... so WTF isn't quite suitable for these types of tests 15:05:31 ... This means I'll have to go back to basics for the tests that are needed now 15:05:53 ... they would want to move to Candidate Rec next month - so I need to spend a bit more time on P&C stuff for now 15:06:27 Wilhelm: so should these tests be made outside of WTF? or should we change WTF to fit better these tests? 15:06:48 Kai: WTF could probably be changed, but I think just producing Zip files will be simpler for this kind of tests 15:07:19 Dom: is dev.w3.org up to date? 15:07:33 Kai: no, I have redone some of the stuff and haven't committed to de 15:07:36 s/de/dev/ 15:07:41 ACTION: Kai to update tests on dev.w3.org 15:07:41 Created ACTION-58 - Update tests on dev.w3.org [on Kai Hendry - due 2009-06-23]. 15:08:39 Dom: If I want to contribute tests, do I need to use your git repository? or can I use CVS on dev.w3.org? 15:09:04 Kai: I'd prefer if you would use git - but I'm not sure if it's set up for contributions 15:09:16 ... I want to blog about how to contribute tests 15:09:48 ... adding tests to WTF isn't exactly easy 15:10:14 ACTION: Kai to describe how to contribute tests (will serve as input to blog post) 15:10:14 Created ACTION-59 - Describe how to contribute tests (will serve as input to blog post) [on Kai Hendry - due 2009-06-23]. 15:10:31 Topic: WCTMB 15:10:33 ACTION-55? 15:10:33 ACTION-55 -- Wilhelm Joys Andersen to look at WCTMB2 ideas -- due 2009-06-02 -- OPEN 15:10:33 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/55 15:10:55 Wilhelm: I haven't been able to make progress; I hope to have something out before leaving on vacation 15:11:53 Topic: Blog 15:11:57 ACTION-57? 15:11:57 ACTION-57 -- Kai Hendry to propose another blog on widgets testing -- due 2009-06-16 -- OPEN 15:11:57 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/57 15:12:19 Kai: will blog about contributing tests (ACTION-59) 15:12:22 close ACTION-57 15:12:22 ACTION-57 Propose another blog on widgets testing closed 15:13:07 Kai: wanted to mention that BONDI has a test framework that I would like to chat about 15:13:20 Topic: OMA 15:13:24 ACTION-21? 15:13:24 ACTION-21 -- Wilhelm Joys Andersen to send Opera's feedback on OMA test suites -- due 2009-03-17 -- OPEN 15:13:24 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/21 15:13:34 ACTION-14? 15:13:34 ACTION-14 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to look back at OMA situation and report -- due 2009-03-17 -- OPEN 15:13:34 http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/14 15:14:27 Dom: some progress on validating the new test suites released by OMA 15:14:37 Topic: AOB 15:15:51 Kai: any experience on how to extract testing assertions from Widget Specs? 15:16:03 Dom: done that with XSLT a few times, can do taht for Widget P&C if you're interested 15:16:20 ACTION: Dom to provide an extraction of test assertions from Widgets P&C (and tool to do it) 15:16:20 Created ACTION-60 - Provide an extraction of test assertions from Widgets P&C (and tool to do it) [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2009-06-23]. 15:16:27 Topic: Next meeting 15:16:33 Wilhelm: away next two weeks 15:18:12 -??P4 15:18:14 -Wilhelm 15:18:18 Kai: would be good to meet next week since we need to move ahead with the widgets tests 15:18:32 Dom: ok, let's keep the meeting for next week then, and see if we meet in two weeks as well or not 15:19:07 RESOLVED: Next meeting on June 23, regrets from Wilhelm 15:19:18 zakim, ??P4 was kai 15:19:18 I don't understand '??P4 was kai', dom 15:19:24 zakim, drop dom 15:19:24 dom is being disconnected 15:19:26 MWI_TSWG()11:00AM has ended 15:19:28 Attendees were Wilhelm, +39.525.1.aaaa, dom 15:19:36 s/ ->/ ->/g 15:19:42 RRSAgent, draft minutes 15:19:42 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/06/16-mwts-minutes.html dom 17:23:27 Zakim has left #mwts