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12:57:31 <mhausenblas> hey there jar
12:58:15 <jar> i just tried to get an rdfs.org account
12:58:23 <jar> it hasn't sent me a password yet
12:58:42 <mhausenblas> ahem, I think not directly possible (or did you try OpenID, yet? )
12:59:22 <mhausenblas> but no worry, we are operating it here at DERI so I can take care of it
13:00:10 <jar> It says 'create user account', accepts name and email, then says it is sending password to email address.
13:00:19 <jar> So it pretends to be something that works.
13:00:34 <mhausenblas> Zakim, code?
13:00:34 <Zakim> the conference code is 29979 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), mhausenblas
13:00:41 <Zakim> TAG_(AWWSW)9:00AM has now started
13:00:41 <jar> checked my spam folder...
13:00:50 <Zakim> + +3539149aaaa
13:01:11 <mhausenblas> well, yeah, that's Neologism's  default behaviour, but IIRC we set certain restrictions so that not everyone can sign up (spammers, etc.)
13:01:30 <mhausenblas> jar: I'll sort out and organise you an account, ok?
13:01:37 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aaaa is me
13:01:37 <Zakim> +mhausenblas; got it
13:01:58 <jar> dialin isn't letting me in
13:02:10 <mhausenblas> hu?
13:02:39 <jar> 'we're sorry your telephone is out of order at the moment'
13:02:49 <jar> it isn't hearing my touch-tones
13:02:53 <jar> let me try again
13:03:15 <Zakim> + +1.781.643.aabb
13:03:25 <mhausenblas> success!
13:03:28 <jar> zakim, aabb is jar
13:03:28 <Zakim> +jar; got it
13:03:39 <mhausenblas> trackbot, start conference
13:03:41 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
13:03:43 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be AWWSW
13:03:43 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see TAG_(AWWSW)9:00AM already started
13:03:44 <trackbot> Meeting: W3C Architecture of The World Wide Semantic Web Task Force Teleconference
13:03:44 <trackbot> Date: 09 June 2009
13:04:22 <mhausenblas> Zakim, pick victim
13:04:22 <Zakim> I don't understand 'pick victim', mhausenblas
13:05:26 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-awwsw/2009Jun/0012.html
13:09:00 <mhausenblas> http://esw.w3.org/topic/AwwswGenericResource
13:21:15 <jar> talking about generic resources
13:21:16 <jar> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Jul/0317
13:22:56 <jar> that last URI was for Norm Walsh's summary
13:27:14 <jar> point 2  -  :date  :expires  :contentLocation
13:27:26 <jar> these are all entity headers i think?
13:27:45 <jar> so to buttress tim's position you need to look response headers
13:27:55 <jar> RFC 2616 section 6.2
13:28:45 <mhausenblas> see http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2616#section-6.2
13:28:48 <jar> entity-headers are representation metadata...
13:28:57 <jar> so resource metadata would have to be non-entity-headers...
13:29:04 <jar> so that leaves response-headers
13:31:26 <jar> "Entity-header fields define metainformation about the entity-body or,
13:31:27 <jar>    if no body is present, about the resource identified by the request."
13:31:37 <jar> this doesn't make sense
13:32:31 <jar> httpBis should fix it...  
13:34:12 <mhausenblas> agree to collect ambiguous or confused sentences and bring it to HTTPbis' attention 
13:35:51 <jar> i like fixedResource, but not necessarily the philosophical model of genont as a whole
13:37:29 <jar> suggestion:  (1) ask IRW not to talk about awwsw pre-publication; (2) review IRW actively; (3) engage in http-in-RDF more actively
13:37:48 <mhausenblas> +1 to all of them
13:40:17 <jar> practical goal: a way to say that something's not going to change.  (fixedResource or similar)
13:41:33 <jar> I don't know any of the HTTP-in-RDF editors
13:41:41 <jar> I assume they will want to do another draft
13:43:02 <jar> are there editors' drafts?  i can ask
13:47:52 <jar> . action jar:   Find in Harry's slides, or elsewhere, where he talks about AWWSW, and respond to this with a request to consider AWWSW as he would any prepublication work  (i.e. the group is not at the point where it's endorsing anything he's talking about)
13:48:07 <jar> s/he's/it's/
13:48:11 <jar> oops!
13:49:29 <Zakim> + +1.216.445.aacc
13:50:01 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aacc is David
13:50:01 <Zakim> +David; got it
13:50:15 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
13:50:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/06/09-awwsw-minutes.html mhausenblas
13:50:28 <mhausenblas> looking at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-awwsw/2009Jun/0014.html
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13:51:06 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, make logs public
13:51:19 <mhausenblas> Chair: collective
13:51:25 <dbooth> rrsagent, pointer
13:51:25 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2009/06/09-awwsw-irc#T13-51-25
13:51:30 <mhausenblas> Scribe: collective (well, mainly jar ;)
13:51:36 <jar> "align with genont" is fine because that's Tim's... not a product of awwsw (yet)... & it's not pre-publication
13:53:19 <jar> http://rdfs.org/ns/http-sem/html
13:53:25 <mhausenblas> talking about http://rdfs.org/ns/http-sem
13:54:03 <Stuart> Stuart has joined #awwsw
13:54:37 <mhausenblas> please use http://code.google.com/p/neologism/issues/list for issue tracking
13:57:09 <mhausenblas> 22 June likely, 23 June at risk for next telecon
13:57:25 <mhausenblas> Stuart: true ;)
13:57:33 <Zakim> -David
13:57:37 <Zakim> -mhausenblas
13:57:38 <Zakim> -jar
13:57:39 <Zakim> TAG_(AWWSW)9:00AM has ended
13:57:40 <Zakim> Attendees were +3539149aaaa, mhausenblas, +1.781.643.aabb, jar, +1.216.445.aacc, David
13:57:40 <Stuart> Aplogies...
13:57:50 <mhausenblas> [adjourned]
13:57:57 <mhausenblas> Zakim, list participants
13:57:57 <Zakim> sorry, mhausenblas, I don't know what conference this is
13:58:16 <mhausenblas> Zakim, this is TAG_AWWSW
13:58:16 <Zakim> sorry, mhausenblas, I do not see a conference named 'TAG_AWWSW' in progress or scheduled at this time
13:58:21 <mhausenblas> Zakim, bye
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13:58:32 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent draft minutes
13:58:39 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
13:58:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/06/09-awwsw-minutes.html mhausenblas
13:58:57 <jar> zakim, at 8:56am EDT you said "ok, jar; I see TAG_(AWWSW)9:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes", so what are you talking about?
13:59:21 <jar> that was odd.
13:59:29 <mhausenblas> yeah, true
13:59:48 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Stuart
13:59:52 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
13:59:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/06/09-awwsw-minutes.html mhausenblas
14:00:11 <mhausenblas> welcome ;)
14:00:20 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, bye
14:00:20 <RRSAgent> I see no action items