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13:41:50 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_XHTML2
13:41:50 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
13:41:51 <trackbot> Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference
13:41:51 <trackbot> Date: 27 May 2009
13:42:24 <MoZ> Zakim, what is the code ?
13:42:24 <Zakim> the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), MoZ
13:42:33 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009May/0036
13:42:46 <Steven> Chair: Steven
13:42:54 <Steven> Regrets: Gregory
13:43:07 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
13:43:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/27-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
13:44:21 <Steven> Zakim isn't very smart about call names, MoZ
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13:46:10 <MoZ> Thanks, Steven !
13:46:45 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
13:46:45 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
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13:46:47 <Zakim> +Steven
13:47:40 <Zakim> +ShaneM
13:47:50 <Zakim> +Markus
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13:50:34 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
13:50:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see Steven, ShaneM, Markus
13:50:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see alessio, mgylling, RRSAgent, ShaneM, Zakim, Steven, MoZ, markbirbeck, trackbot
13:51:13 <Zakim> +??P3
13:51:24 <alessio> zakim, ??P3 is Alessio
13:51:24 <Zakim> +Alessio; got it
13:52:16 <Steven> MoZ, are you joining?
13:52:29 <MoZ> yes
13:53:07 <Zakim> +MoZ
13:54:43 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009May/0036.html
13:54:49 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009May/0036.html
13:55:14 <mgylling> Topic: PER Issues
13:55:42 <ShaneM> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/xhtml1-issues-20090525.html
13:56:24 <MoZ> sribe: mgylling 
13:56:36 <mgylling> scribe: mgylling
13:56:43 <mgylling> topic: PER issues
13:56:46 <Zakim> -Alessio
13:58:00 <mgylling> ShaneM: Went through comments in issue tracking system, I have made a recommendation in most cases
13:58:26 <mgylling> 8407 is marked closed, dont know why it remains  in the document
13:59:07 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:59:18 <alessio> zakim, IPcaller is Alessio
13:59:18 <Zakim> +Alessio; got it
14:00:28 <mgylling> Shane: 8413: is about inconsistency between normative prose and appendix c. But issue with colons in values remain. We could change the regex.
14:01:43 <mgylling> Shane: all our REQs require namespaces, right?
14:02:52 <mgylling> Shane: The problem is that in XHTML 1.0 2nd Ed, the reference section got marked as informative.
14:03:10 <mgylling> Shane: this is fixed now.
14:06:10 <mgylling> Shane: whats the process for comments on RECs?
14:06:43 <mgylling> Mohammed: propose solution, give submitter chance to comment/object again
14:09:13 <mgylling> Steven: in this case, only if we disagree with the proposed solution would we have to get back to the submitter. But in this case, we agree fully with the proposed solution.
14:11:29 <mgylling> Shane: all agree that XMLNAMES ref should be normative, and that mediatypes document should be update to not recommend colons in @id
14:13:03 <mgylling> Steven: its normatively not allowed since we normatively reference XMLNAMES, so yes, we should change the mediatypes document
14:13:53 <mgylling> Shane: Next issue. 6227
14:14:35 <mgylling> Shane: Steven did reply to this
14:15:00 <mgylling> Shane: changing 6227 to closed.
14:15:18 <mgylling> Next: issue 8408
14:17:09 <mgylling> Steven: since this text is no longer in the spec, this comment does not apply.
14:17:48 <mgylling> Shane: and the reference to mediatypes document is informative.
14:20:37 <mgylling> Steven: we should consider moving this comment to be a comment on the mediatypes document
14:24:10 <mgylling> Steven: Next: issue 6504
14:25:44 <mgylling> Shane: we removed the name attribute from form and image, I think by accident. But in the DOM, name on form and image is still relevant.
14:25:57 <mgylling> Steven: is name on image only used for DOM access?
14:26:06 <mgylling> Shane, yes as far as I know.
14:27:09 <Steven> name = cdata [CI] 
14:27:09 <Steven> This attribute names the element so that it may be referred to from style sheets or scripts. Note. This attribute has been included for backwards compatibility. Applications should use the id attribute to identify elements.
14:27:27 <mgylling> Steven: @name was deprecated in HTML4.
14:29:20 <mgylling> Mohammed: the rationale is that everybody is saying that XHTML1.0 must be to the letter what was HTML4. If there is evolution, it must be pushed to 1.1 or 2.0
14:30:42 <mgylling> Steven: its still on a, input, map, param etc, so it does seem like this as an omission.
14:31:23 <mgylling> Steven: does putting this back take us out of PER territory? Think not, since it wont break any existing XHTML 1.0 documents.
14:32:11 <mgylling> Mohammed: adding new documents to the valid space is similar to what XML 5th Edition did.
14:33:40 <mgylling> Mohammed: think its fine to add attributes back to DTD without leaving PER
14:34:25 <mgylling> Shane: prose needs to be updated too. 
14:34:34 <mgylling> Mohammed: yes: end of 4.10
14:35:21 <mgylling> Steven: no, that section does not have to be changed, but the DTD does.
14:35:29 <mgylling> Next issue: 8410
14:36:04 <mgylling> Shane: the guidelines are now gone.
14:36:18 <mgylling> Steven: similar for 8418
14:37:55 <mgylling> Next issue: 8019
14:38:13 <mgylling> Since this is proper XML, the comment does not apply. 
14:38:34 <mgylling> Mohammed: ampersand has to be escaped, full stop.
14:38:44 <mgylling> Steven: Next issue: 8416
14:39:35 <mgylling> Mohammed: the XML specification defines the meaning of whitespace.
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14:44:17 <mgylling> Shane: suggests a longer virtual F2F
14:44:34 <Zakim> -ShaneM
14:44:38 <mgylling> Shane: will send a suggestion on times
14:44:40 <Zakim> -MoZ
14:44:41 <Zakim> -Steven
14:44:44 <Zakim> -Alessio
14:45:11 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
14:45:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see Markus
14:45:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see Tina, alessio, mgylling, RRSAgent, ShaneM, Zakim, Steven, MoZ, markbirbeck, trackbot
14:45:17 <Steven> zakim, dro pmarkus
14:45:17 <Zakim> I don't understand 'dro pmarkus', Steven
14:45:22 <Steven> zakim, drop markus
14:45:22 <Zakim> Markus is being disconnected
14:45:24 <Zakim> IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended
14:45:25 <Zakim> Attendees were Steven, ShaneM, Markus, Alessio, MoZ
14:45:29 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
14:45:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/27-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
14:46:00 <Steven> Thanks Markus for scribing
14:46:11 <alessio> bye all :)
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