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14:53:44 <shadi> zakim, this will be bad
14:53:44 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_EOWG(BAD TF)11:00AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
14:53:55 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-eo-badtf/2009May/0038.html
14:54:00 <shadi> meeting: BAD TF
14:54:12 <shadi> chair: Shadi
14:54:14 <shadi> agenda+Report format
14:54:22 <shadi> agenda+ Survey pages
14:54:33 <shadi> agenda+ Link Text
14:54:42 <maik_w> maik_w has joined #badtf
14:54:43 <shadi> agenda+ Meta navigation
14:54:52 <shadi> agenda+ Next Steps
14:55:02 <shadi> agenda+ Next meetings
14:58:34 <Zakim> WAI_EOWG(BAD TF)11:00AM has now started
14:58:41 <Zakim> +Wilco
14:58:45 <Zakim> -Wilco
14:58:46 <Zakim> WAI_EOWG(BAD TF)11:00AM has ended
14:58:46 <Zakim> Attendees were Wilco
14:58:49 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
14:58:49 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
14:58:50 <Zakim> WAI_EOWG(BAD TF)11:00AM has now started
14:58:51 <Zakim> +Shadi
15:00:32 <Zakim> + +49.201.750.0.aaaa
15:00:39 <Tom> Tom has joined #badtf
15:00:46 <shadi> zakim, aaaa is Maik
15:00:46 <Zakim> +Maik; got it
15:01:22 <Zakim> +Tom
15:01:40 <Zakim> +eric
15:02:16 <Zakim> +Wilco
15:02:53 <shadi> zakim, pick a victim
15:02:53 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Maik
15:03:17 <shadi> scribe: maik_w
15:03:20 <shadi> agenda?
15:03:40 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:03:40 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Report format" taken up [from shadi]
15:03:55 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/demos/bad/draft/2009/report
15:07:48 <shadi> [discussing on data table versus nested list]
15:08:03 <maik_w> wilco prefers table approach
15:08:04 <shadi> Wilco: list looks cluttered
15:08:12 <shadi> ...could be styled
15:09:51 <maik_w> wilco: a table makes more sense
15:11:59 <maik_w> Tom: too much colour could confuse people
15:13:22 <maik_w> eric: we have to show that if a criterion fails, the whole thing fails
15:15:18 <Eric> http://www.accessibility.nl/voorbeeld/toets.htm
15:17:22 <maik_w> shadi: wilko's proposal has another layer, you can't see where the error occurs
15:18:04 <maik_w> eric: I like the visual approach through the background-colour
15:19:41 <maik_w> shadi: the checkpoint number is linked to the requirements
15:20:08 <maik_w> group: likes the prposed table
15:21:00 <maik_w> wilko will ask if we can adopt something for our project
15:24:11 <shadi> zakim, take up next
15:24:11 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Survey pages" taken up [from shadi]
15:24:19 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/demos/bad/draft/2009/tmp/survey_before
15:24:31 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/demos/bad/draft/2009/tmp/survey_after
15:29:36 <maik_w> eric: drop-down-list shows best practice 
15:30:55 <maik_w> eric: input-fields should be signed as required by a star that get lost
15:32:44 <maik_w> wilco: the wrong sequence of the input-boxes is not reaaly inaccessible, just annoying
15:34:18 <maik_w> wilco: what about error-messages? 
15:34:50 <maik_w> shadi: yes, I'm working on that
15:36:07 <maik_w> Tom: in real life people have client based validation, that is aweful
15:37:00 <maik_w> shadi: for this time we'll do it at the server-side, ARIA is on the wishlist
15:38:11 <maik_w> eric: preselected gender that is ignored?
15:38:37 <maik_w> eric: nothing should be preselected
15:39:44 <maik_w> shadi: eric, could you care about the styling?
15:40:08 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 4
15:40:08 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Meta navigation" taken up [from shadi]
15:40:16 <shadi> http://ericeggert.net/badtf-latest/v3/
15:40:23 <shadi> http://ericeggert.net/badtf-latest/v4/
15:40:30 <shadi> http://ericeggert.net/badtf-latest/v5/
15:43:17 <maik_w> wilco: v3 shows connection to the annotations
15:44:50 <Eric> left aligned: http://ericeggert.net/badtf-latest/v6/
15:47:07 <maik_w> shadi: people can't imagine that they can click on anything at the grey area
15:48:52 <maik_w> tom: v6 makes it obvious, that annotations are assocoiated to the code
15:50:00 <Eric> http://ericeggert.net/badtf-latest/v7/index-annotated.html
15:51:50 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 3
15:51:50 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Link Text" taken up [from shadi]
15:52:02 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-eo-badtf/2009May/0036
15:52:05 <maik_w> group: agree to take v6 and shadi will show that at first...
15:52:16 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/demos/bad/draft/2009/after/home/
15:59:01 <Wilco> http://www.minaz.nl/
15:59:04 <maik_w> eric: this solution is not the best, but we should keep it
16:00:27 <maik_w> Tom: but won't lose anything, if we keep the link away from the headings
16:02:15 <maik_w> wilco: we should raise the clickible area by using a bit of script
16:03:54 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 5
16:03:54 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Next Steps" taken up [from shadi]
16:08:57 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 6
16:08:57 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Next meetings" taken up [from shadi]
16:09:10 <Zakim> -eric
16:09:11 <Wilco> Wilco has left #badtf
16:09:12 <Zakim> -Tom
16:09:12 <Zakim> -Wilco
16:09:14 <shadi> next meeting: tentatively 3 June
16:09:21 <Zakim> -Shadi
16:09:25 <Zakim> -Maik
16:09:26 <Zakim> WAI_EOWG(BAD TF)11:00AM has ended
16:09:28 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi, +49.201.750.0.aaaa, Maik, Tom, eric, Wilco
16:35:22 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
16:35:26 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
16:35:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/27-badtf-minutes.html shadi
16:35:27 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
16:35:31 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
16:35:31 <RRSAgent> I see no action items