IRC log of wam on 2009-05-21

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Scribe: Art
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Chair: Art
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/0557.html
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Meeting: Widgets Voice Conference
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Date: 21 May 2009
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Present: AndyB, Art, Marcos
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Regrets: Thomas, Frederick, Arve, Jere, Robin
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Present+ Mark
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Topic: Review and tweak agenda
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AB: the agenda was submitted on 19 May (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/0557.html). One addition proposed by Robin (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/0566.html), is to add the Widgets Access Request to the agenda and we will do that. Any other change requests?
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Present+ David
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[ None ]
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Topic: Announcements
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AB: I don't have any announcements. Any one?
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[ None ]
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Topic: P&C: Status of completing L10N model
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Topic: P&C spec: proposal to move the <feature> element to a separate spec.
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AB: on May 19 we agreed to move the <access> element from to a separate spec (http://www.w3.org/2009/05/19-wam-minutes.html). This raises the question if the <feature> element (http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/#the-feature-element) should also be moved to a separate spec. Marcos submitted a related email on May 19 (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/0553.html).
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AB: let's first start with comments on Marcos' feature proposal (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/0553.html). Then let's discuss moving <feature> out of P&C.
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AB: any comments about Marcos' proposal?
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MC: the proposal is to not treat them as generic URI but rather opaque strings
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... this has a cascade effect
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... affects mildly the A+E spec
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... but impl is simplified
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AB: I think that is a fine proposal
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MP: I think this is a good change
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AB: anyone else?
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[ No ]
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AB: question about moving <feature> out of P+C
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MC: I received feedback that is a bad idea
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... the associated text is in
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... I recommend we leave it
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AB: any other comments?
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DR: we agree with Marcos
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... BONDI is using <feature>
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... if it is taken out that could cause problems
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... surprised it wasn't fixed earlier
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+1 from Vodafone on keeping <feature> in P&C
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MC: nothing was broken with feature
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... the proposal was to move it out because it was related to access element
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AB: I am fine with leaving it in
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... Robin voiced support for leaving it in
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AB: propose a resolution: the <feature> element will be left in the P+C spec
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AB: any objections?
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[ None ]
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RESOLUTION: <feature> element will remain in the P+C spec
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Topic: P&C: Status of completing L10N model
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AB: Marcos, what is the status of the L10N model (http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/)?
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MC: the folder-based model is done
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... the element-based model is almost done
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... just needs a few tweaks re edge cases
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... effectively it is 99% done
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AB: is there any need for us to block LC publication while you complete the remaining 1 %?
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MC: no
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AB: other comments on l10n model?
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Topic: P&C spec: proposal to publish LC#2 on May 26
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AB: the Team only publishes docs on tue and thurs thus next date is May 26
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AB: I think we have reached the point of diminishing returns regarding getting review by WebApps' widgets people. We need much broader review and will only get that by formally publishing a new LC.
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AB: my proposal is we agree to publish LC#2 on May 26
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AB: comments?
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AB: any objections?
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MC: I prefer May 28
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seems reasonable
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MP: how does this fit with WebApps schedule?
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AB: what "schedule"?
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AB: I told BONDI I wanted a LC published in April and Candidate in June
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... we missed the LC but Candidate in June is still theoretically possible
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MP: we support getting LC out soon
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... we think Marcos has done an exceptional job
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... we also want Candidate to be published as soon as possible
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DR: we have a deadline for our pubs
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... our intention is to publish very shortly
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... would like to ref the current LC of P+C
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... we will have to ref the December version
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... but we want to refernce LC #2
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... thus want LC#2 published as soon as possible
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... but don't want shortcuts taken
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... we hope we can issue a minor rev to our spec to ref LC#2
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AB: that would seem to favor a May 26 pub if at all possible
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MP: agree but if things need to fixed then they should be
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MC: the doc would be published without any additional review
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... by the group
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AB: understood but we also know we will have at least a 3-week review of the LC doc
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MC: really do prefer May 28
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AB: propose a resolution: we agree to publish P+C LC #2 on May 28
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AB: any objections?
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[ None ]
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RESOLUTION: we agree to publish LCWD #2 of the P+C spec on May 28
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AB: thanks very much Marcos for the good work!
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DR: agree; thanks very much Marcos; and the other WG members too
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Topic: A&E spec: Status of Red Block Issues
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AB: the A&E spec still has some Red Block issues (http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-api/). During the 14 May call we discussed these issues (http://www.w3.org/2009/05/14-wam-minutes.html#item07). What is the status?
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AB: any movement at all on the A+E spec in the last week
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MC: no, don't think so
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AB: action for everyone to look at A+E spec and submit inputs
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... that's the next priority for LC
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AB: anything else on A+E?
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[ No ]
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Topic: Access Request spec
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AB: Robin has done some good work on moving the WAR spec (http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets-access/) forward. A question is whether or not it is ready for a FPWD (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009AprJun/0566.html)? Comments on that?
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MC: Robin has addressed some questions I had in the ED
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... I think it needs some editorial tweaks
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+1 from Vodafone to go FPWD as soon as possible
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DR: we haven't had enough time to review it
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AB: missing key use case(s) information. Requirements are a bit too thin. I would prefer a 1-week input period for UCs and Reqs so we can make a decision to publish a FPWD during our May 28 call.
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AB: I can also schedule some additional calls for this
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Andy: I think that would be useful and support additional review time
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MP: I think we can live with a week for review
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... but encourage people to submit comments within a week
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AB: yes, I don't think we need a wide open input period
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... if there are no inputs on UCs and Reqs within 1 week then we make a decision on May 28 without those inputs
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ACTION: Barstow make an explicit call for inputs for the WAR doc's UCs and Requirements
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Created ACTION-345 - Make an explicit call for inputs for the WAR doc's UCs and Requirements [on Arthur Barstow - due 2009-05-28].
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AB: anything else about the WAR doc?
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[ No ]
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Topic: AOB
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AB: I don't have anything
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... anyone?
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AB: I'll start fine-tuning the agenda for our June 9-11 agenda
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AB: Meeting Ajourned
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-Marcos
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-David_Roger
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-Art_Barstow
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IA_WebApps(Widgets)9:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Marcos, Art_Barstow, +1.919.536.aaaa, +44.771.751.aabb, +0207070aacc, David_Roger
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/21-wam-minutes.html ArtB
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I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/21-wam-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: Barstow make an explicit call for inputs for the WAR doc's UCs and Requirements [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/21-wam-irc#T13-38-36