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14:58:44 <Ralph> Meeting: SemWeb Deployment Working Group
14:58:48 <Ralph> rrsagent, please make record public
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15:03:08 <seanb> zakim, ??P39 is me
15:03:08 <Zakim> +seanb; got it
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15:03:48 <Ralph> zakim, aaaa is Jon
15:03:48 <Zakim> +Jon; got it
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15:04:30 <Antoine> zakim, ??P43 is me
15:04:30 <Zakim> +Antoine; got it
15:06:00 <Ralph> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009May/0064.html
15:06:13 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2009/05/05-swd-minutes.html previous 2009-05-05
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15:13:09 <Ralph> zakim, list attendees
15:13:09 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Ralph, seanb, +1.607.341.aaaa, Jon, Antoine
15:14:15 <Zakim> +[LC]
15:14:30 <Ralph> zakim, lc is Ed
15:14:30 <Zakim> +Ed; got it
15:14:56 <Zakim> +Guus_Schreiber
15:15:07 <Ralph> Chair: Guus
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15:16:48 <Ralph> zakim, pick a victim
15:16:48 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose seanb
15:17:02 <Ralph> scribe: Ralph
15:17:08 <Ralph> Topic: Admin
15:17:33 <Ralph> RESOLVED to accept minutes of the last telecon http://www.w3.org/2009/05/05-swd-minutes.html
15:17:40 <Ralph> PROPOSED next telecon 2 June
15:17:44 <Ralph> RESOLVED next telecon 2 June
15:17:48 <Ralph> Topic: SKOS
15:18:29 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20090315/ editor's draftof SKOS Reference
15:18:37 <Ralph> (currently $Revision 1.8$
15:19:02 <Ralph> Sean: editorial tweaks discussed in mail are almost complete
15:19:17 <Ralph> ... so nearly done w/Reference
15:19:28 <Ralph> [DONE] ACTION: SKOS editors to draft acknowledgements section for SKOS Reference 
15:19:28 <Ralph> [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/05-swd-minutes.html#action04]
15:19:52 <Ralph> [DONE] ACTION: SKOS editors to draft acknowledgements section for SKOS Reference [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/05-swd-minutes.html#action04]
15:20:46 <Ralph> Guus: issue-214 still open
15:20:57 <Ralph> Antoine: That doesn't really concern SKOS; it's about RDFa
15:21:03 <Ralph> Jon: that was my feeling as well
15:21:12 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/214 issue 214
15:22:22 <Ralph> Ed: DanBri's comment was about something in loc.gov
15:22:28 <Ralph> s/Jon:/Ed:/
15:23:29 <Ralph> Ralph: is DanBri citing something in one of our documents?
15:23:42 <Ralph> Guus: no, an LC document
15:23:54 <Ralph> Antoine: so change the tracker product to RDFa
15:24:47 <Ralph> Ralph: but if this is going to be a frequent mistake maybe we should consider adding some advice
15:24:53 <Ralph> Guus: that could go in the Primer
15:24:58 <Ralph> Ralph: yes
15:25:14 <Ralph> Guus: so we conclude this does not affect the Reference?
15:25:21 <Antoine> +1
15:25:23 <Ralph> [no objections]
15:25:25 <seanb> +1
15:25:41 <edsu> +1
15:25:44 <Ralph> Guus: therefore no outstanding CR comments
15:26:16 <Ralph> Sean: regarding URIs in Appendix C
15:26:22 <Ralph> ... there are references to namespace documents
15:26:26 <Ralph> ... which URIs should I use?
15:26:36 <Ralph> Guus: we'll take that up in a moment
15:27:10 <Ralph> [CONTINUES] ACTION: Ralph to raise issue-214 with rdfa tf [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/05-swd-minutes.html#action01]
15:28:12 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/primer/primer-20090427.html SKOS Primer Editor's Draft
15:28:33 <Ralph> Ralph: I presumed we'd publish the Primer together with the Reference Proposed Rec
15:28:35 <Ralph> Guus: yes
15:28:54 <Ralph> -- Implementation Report
15:29:10 <Ralph> Antoine: I added some historical notes
15:29:22 <Ralph> ... and added links to the issue tracker
15:29:42 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20090315/implementation.html implementation report
15:30:29 <Ralph> Guus: I suggest publishing the Use Cases as a Group Note at the same time as the Proposed Rec
15:30:33 <Antoine> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/usecases/ucr-20090428.html
15:30:54 <Antoine> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/usecases/ucr-20090428.html#Candidate
15:31:42 <Ralph> Antoine: I added cross-references to the UCR
15:32:54 <Ralph> PROPOSED: Publish revised SKOS Use Cases and Requirements as a Group Note at the time the final SKOS Recommendation is published
15:33:10 <Ralph> +1
15:33:20 <Ralph> RESOLVED: Publish revised SKOS Use Cases and Requirements as a Group Note at the time the final SKOS Recommendation is published
15:35:38 <Ralph> -- Namespace document
15:35:47 <Ralph> Guus: what's the state of the labels in the namespace document?
15:35:52 <Ralph> Sean: discussion on the list
15:36:08 <Ralph> ... there's an HTML variant and an RDF/XML variant
15:36:24 <Ralph> ... the HTML variant had a lot of additional text which I've removed and put in an appendix
15:36:31 <Ralph> ... so each variant only describes itself
15:36:38 <Ralph> ... I believe the content is now OK
15:37:15 <Ralph> ... the SKOS namespace document is served via content negotiation
15:37:46 <Ralph> ... what URIs should I use for the OWL DL subset and the SKOS XL RDF/XML variant?
15:38:23 <seanb> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20090315/#namespace-documents Appendix C
15:40:17 <Ralph> Guus: the reference to http://www.w3.org/2008/05/skos-xl in C.4. looks correct
15:40:31 <Ralph> Ralph: we've used that URI before, so OK to keep using it
15:40:55 <Ralph> Sean: what URI to use for the OWL 1 DL subset?
15:41:01 <Ralph> Guus: have we published it before?
15:41:09 <Ralph> Sean: no, but it is in the directory
15:42:20 <Ralph> Ralph: there's no particular reason why we could not use the 2008/04/skos/ space
15:42:33 <Ralph> Guus: and this is the DL version of the schema in 2008/04/skos
15:42:45 <Ralph> Sean: what should we call it?
15:43:01 <Ralph> skos-owl1-dl.rdf ?
15:43:08 <Ralph> Guus: fine with me
15:43:47 <seanb> I meant 2004/02/skos/skos-owl1-dl.rdf ??
15:43:55 <Ralph> s|2008/04|2004/02
15:44:15 <Guus> 2004/02/skos/owl1-dl.rdf 
15:44:17 <Guus> ?
15:44:33 <Ralph> Sean: skos/owl1-dl.rdf is fine with me
15:44:37 <Ralph> Ralph: ok with me too
15:45:20 <Ralph> ... it's a new RDF namespace so we'll need Director's approval
15:46:09 <Ralph> Guus: send notice to the list when Appendix C is ready for review
15:46:33 <Ralph> ACTION: Sean send notice to the list when Appendix C is ready for review
15:46:43 <Ralph> -- Implementation Report
15:47:26 <Ralph> Guus: looking at the issues list, of 29 issues 27 refer to implementations
15:47:42 <Ralph> ... so I think there's ample evidence that the SKOS specification is being implemented
15:48:03 <Ralph> Sean: I'm slightly worried that the capture of the various constructs used in each vocabulary is not exhaustive
15:48:21 <Ralph> ... the reports were not necessarily completely explicit
15:48:35 <Ralph> ... in particular, I'm not sure that ordered collections have been implemented
15:48:46 <Ralph> ... but 2 implementations do claim to use -xl
15:48:56 <Ralph> Guus: I couldn't find any details on the -xl implementations
15:49:24 <Ralph> Antoine: we do have one vocabulary that would benefit from label relations but we've not yet done it
15:49:47 <Ralph> Sean: I have an email from @@ that I could ask him to send to the list
15:50:02 <Ralph> Guus: -xl is an extension anyway
15:50:23 <Ralph> ... it's clear that the main part of SKOS, in particular the mapping relations, is heavily used
15:50:54 <Ralph> ... I don't feel the Group needs to put enormous effort into a systematic analysis
15:51:09 <Ralph> ... with 27 implementations I feel we can say we're done
15:51:14 <Ralph> Sean: I'm happy to go with that
15:51:41 <Ralph> Guus: I'm happy to write some text with my findings for the transition request
15:52:00 <Ralph> Sean: can I consider this implementation report to be completed then?
15:52:11 <Ralph> ... I'll paste the two tables into the HTML document
15:52:39 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20090315/implementation.html implementation report generated from the issues tracker
15:53:09 <Ralph> Sean: there are two additional tables generated from a Google spreadsheet
15:53:44 <seanb> -> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=rmQPwhMMWXxY62FinzE44Eg google doc
15:54:21 <Ralph> Sean: should I paste the spreadsheet table into the implementation report?
15:54:22 <Ralph> Guus: yes
15:54:24 <Ralph> Ralph: yes
15:54:37 <Ralph> Sean: it's a hassle to do that paste so I'd like to do it only once
15:54:58 <Ralph> Guus: how about an image paste?
15:55:03 <Ralph> Ralph: no, that would be frowned on
15:55:21 <Ralph> Guus: I suggest freezing it now
15:55:51 <Ralph> ... the implementation report does not have to be exhaustive
15:56:18 <Ralph> Sean: OK, I'll freeze and paste later today
15:56:42 <Ralph> [DONE] ACTION: Sean to look for SKOS constructs not used by current implementations [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/21-swd-minutes.html#action04]
15:56:50 <Ralph> [CONTINUES] ACTION: Sean to complete implementation report by 19th [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/05-swd-minutes.html#action05]
15:57:14 <Ralph> PROPOSED to request the Director to advance the SKOS Reference to Proposed Recommendation
15:57:35 <Ralph> Topic: Transition Request
15:58:03 <Ralph> Guus: we've met the CR exit criteria
15:58:50 <Ralph> PROPOSED to request the Director to advance the SKOS Reference to Proposed Recommendation http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20090315/
15:59:15 <Ralph> PROPOSED to request the Director to advance the SKOS Reference to Proposed Recommendation http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20090315/ with Appendix C edits
15:59:47 <Ralph> +1
15:59:49 <Zakim> -Ralph
16:00:11 <Antoine> RESOLVED to request the Director to advance the SKOS Reference to Proposed Recommendation http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/20090315/ with Appendix C edits
16:00:54 <Antoine> scribenick:Antoine
16:01:40 <Antoine> ACTION: Guus to prepare the request for PR
16:02:35 <Antoine> Guus: once PR is requested, the WG gets out of the loop, and advisory committee vote, and the director takes direction
16:02:43 <Antoine> s/direction/decision
16:03:18 <Antoine> ACTION: Ralph publish Antoine's new intermediate pages for legacy specs [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/21-swd-minutes.html#action11]
16:03:22 <Antoine> --CONTINUES
16:03:36 <Antoine> ACTION: Ben review RDFa Use Cases and propose transition to Group Note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02]
16:03:40 <Antoine> --CONTINUES
16:03:54 <Antoine> ACTION: Ralph to review the revised Recipes draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-minutes.html#action15]
16:03:56 <Antoine> --CONTINUES
16:04:13 <Antoine> ACTION: Ralph post his comments on the editor's draft of the metadata note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action03]
16:04:16 <Antoine> --CONTINUES
16:04:30 <Antoine> ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes implementations] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20]
16:04:34 <Antoine> --CONTINUES
16:05:06 <Zakim> -Ed
16:05:06 <Zakim> -seanb
16:05:07 <Zakim> -Jon
16:05:11 <Zakim> -Guus_Schreiber
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16:05:28 <Antoine> Zakim, list participants
16:05:28 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Ralph, seanb, +1.607.341.aaaa, Jon, Antoine, Ed, Guus_Schreiber
16:05:44 <Antoine> RRSAgent, make logs public
16:05:54 <Antoine> RRSAgent, generate minutes
16:05:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/19-swd-minutes.html Antoine
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16:10:25 <TomB> I just got in from the airport - anyone there?
16:10:56 <seanb> Hi Tom!
16:11:03 <seanb> We're just done.
16:11:56 <TomB> hi sean
16:12:13 <TomB> any particular issues arise or all okay?
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17:19:22 <seanb> Ralph -- are you there?
17:20:32 <seanb> One more question about namespaces.... :-)
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