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12:03:40 <renato> zakim, this will be pling
12:03:42 <Zakim> ok, renato, I see P3P_PLING()8:00AM already started
12:04:37 <renato> Chair: Marco
12:04:46 <renato> Scribe: Renato
12:05:11 <renato> Topic: Previous Actions
12:06:06 <renato> Caary forward action for RI/RW about Media Annotations
12:07:33 <renato> action: RI/RW to followup with Media Annotations WG
12:08:13 <renato> Topic: other items
12:08:25 <renato> add Social Web XG to Liaisons list
12:08:44 <renato> IEEE policy workshop (to events)
12:09:10 <renato> Topic: Policies in Cloud Computing - Giles Hogden
12:09:50 <renato> CC new feature is pay for the resources that you need on demand
12:10:03 <renato> 4 characterisitces
12:10:19 <renato> 1 - scalability (up and down)
12:10:33 <renato> 2 - abstracted resources, virtulisation
12:10:56 <renato> 3 - shared resources
12:11:06 <renato> 4 - services on demand (pay as u go)
12:11:21 <renato> (my spelling is poor!)
12:11:38 <Giles> http://aws.amazon.com/solutions/case-studies/
12:11:56 <renato> CC is really taking of....
12:12:28 <renato> real demanding network services...games....financial services
12:12:48 <renato> study of security - risk assessment - for CC
12:14:08 <Giles> http://wiki.enisa.europa.eu/index.php?title=A_user_perspective_on_Cloud_Computing_(i.e._SME)
12:14:20 <renato> scenario 1 - SME migrating from traditional to CC infrastructure
12:15:17 <renato> No 1 concern - confidentiality of the data
12:16:13 <renato> No 1 - availability
12:17:25 <renato> scenario 2 - ehealth
12:18:34 <renato> Scenario 3 - improve resilience - acceptable level of service provision (in the event of disaster etc...)
12:19:40 <renato> CC is ideal for a DoS attack!
12:19:59 <renato> Take down the entire cloud platform/users
12:20:33 <renato> ...policy related issues
12:20:49 <renato> authentication policies are less than optimal
12:21:06 <renato> eg Amazon gives one key (for all users)
12:21:17 <Giles> http://docs.amazonwebservices.com/AWSSimpleQueueService/2009-02-01/SQSDeveloperGuide/
12:21:45 <renato> new policy language for "simple q service"
12:22:49 <renato> How to stop CC users from mounting attacks? How to sandbox the individual users?
12:25:08 <renato> ISO27002 - IT Governance Std - mainly for those operating CC infrastructure
12:26:06 <renato> Mapping internal Governance polices to distributed services - that u don't own
12:26:38 <renato> Distributed services - which legal framework applies ? Depends on jurisdiction?
12:27:06 <renato> Edge-nodes in different jurisdictions
12:27:23 <renato> Audits hard as you have no audit trial..
12:27:39 <renato> issues around liability...
12:28:16 <Giles> http://www.appirio.com/
12:28:24 <renato> passing the buck - outsourcing the outsourcers
12:29:45 <renato> Amazon Simple Queue Service (Amazon SQS) is a distributed queue messaging service
12:29:52 <renato> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Simple_Queue_Service
12:29:58 <renato> questions?
12:31:23 <renato> Amazon Simple Queue Service
12:31:24 <renato> Getting Started Guide (API Version 2008-01-01)
12:31:30 <renato> http://docs.amazonwebservices.com/AWSSimpleQueueService/2008-01-01/SQSGettingStartedGuide/
12:32:47 <renato> Marco - plan to synchronise with other Cloud initiatives?
12:33:43 <renato> Giles; yes
12:34:09 <renato> Ashok - other companies involved in what?
12:34:54 <renato> Giles - the study includes 25 experts (from major companies...) eg HP, IBM etc
12:36:19 <renato> Giles - terms of reference paper (not public)
12:36:31 <renato> Giles - report will be public
12:36:56 <renato> Giles - missing expertise on privacy...
12:42:23 <renato> Jan - are there new issues here (eg privacy)?
12:42:39 <renato> Giles - "service on demand" is a new issue
12:43:50 <renato> Giles - most are new policy issues rather than technical
12:44:33 <renato> Thanks Giles for the Presentation...clap clap clap
12:45:06 <renato> Topic: PLING IG Note
12:45:28 <renato> Geolocation and privacy
12:46:47 <renato> Any ideas/contribution for W3C to take on in this area
12:47:01 <renato> Uni Milan - some related work
12:51:13 <renato> Create a new wiki page on this topic area - collect related works, projects etc
12:51:52 <renato> Topic: Review of Wiki activities
12:52:29 <renato> no added items
12:53:43 <renato> add a wiki page for GeoLocation...Cloud Computing
12:54:00 <renato> Topic: Liaisons
12:54:40 <Zakim> - +035850487aaaa
12:54:52 <renato> PICOS - in architectural phase
12:57:14 <renato> Social Web XG - teleconf just started
12:57:38 <renato> Topic: Events
12:58:04 <renato> Giles - offers the island of Crete!
12:59:00 <renato> Ashok - TPAC?
12:59:14 <Giles> I have to go on time...
13:00:18 <renato> Topic: AOB
13:00:26 <Zakim> - +30281039aabb
13:00:52 <renato> next meeting 10 June
13:00:55 <renato> bye
13:00:58 <renato> zakim, bye
13:00:58 <Zakim> Zakim has left #pling
13:00:58 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Ashok_Malhotra, +035850487aaaa, +30281039aabb
13:01:10 <renato> rrsagent, make log public
13:01:15 <renato> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:01:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-pling-minutes.html renato
13:01:21 <renato> rrsagent, bye
13:01:21 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-pling-actions.rdf :
13:01:21 <RRSAgent> ACTION: RI/RW to followup with Media Annotations WG [1]
13:01:21 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-pling-irc#T12-07-33