11:29:02 RRSAgent has joined #swxg 11:29:02 logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-swxg-irc 11:29:20 danbri has changed the topic to: Social Web Incubator Group - public and logged channel 11:30:05 danbri has changed the topic to: Social Web Incubator Group - public logged channel, see http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-swxg-irc 11:31:56 all in good time :) 11:32:26 danbri: try code:SWXG 11:32:44 i think we're too early 11:32:57 zakim, this will be SWXG 11:32:57 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, danbri 11:32:57 could be case sensitive 11:33:02 :) 11:33:57 in http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar it is INC_SWXG 11:36:15 tinkster has joined #swxg 11:44:08 karl has joined #swxg 11:49:57 karl has joined #swxg 11:51:19 tpa has joined #swxg 11:53:12 hi, 11:53:24 what is the conf code in numbers? 11:56:15 Zakim, code? 11:56:15 sorry, karl, I don't know what conference this is 11:56:30 Zakim, this will be SWXG 11:56:30 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, karl 11:59:00 Zakim, this will be INC_SWXG 11:59:00 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, karl 11:59:25 jsalvachua: the code is conference 7994 ("SWXG") 12:00:37 oh its not now? , ok, thats why rejected the code 12:00:50 thanks anyway 12:06:01 AlexKorth has joined #swxg 12:06:09 hello everyone! 12:06:51 hi 12:08:20 dom has joined #swxg 12:16:07 was trying the bristol number to test conf call. it says that the conf call is restricted after entering the code. so it seems to work? 12:16:36 because i assume its just not set up yet? 12:17:33 hhalpin has joined #swxg 12:18:02 Maciej has joined #swxg 12:18:21 Maciej has left #swxg 12:21:52 probably as it isn't set up yet, Alex 12:22:10 zakim, this will be INC_SWXG 12:22:10 ok, danbri; I see INC_SWXG()9:00AM scheduled to start in 38 minutes 12:22:21 phew, it worked :) 12:22:27 rrsagent, status? 12:22:27 I'm logging. Sorry, nothing found for 'status' 12:28:23 caribou has joined #swxg 12:33:48 +1 Zakim 12:34:13 DanBri, do you remember if Zakim still eats up RDF from weekly-agenda? 12:34:26 no idea 12:34:29 sorry 12:35:47 oshani has joined #swxg 12:37:54 we're starting up just in time: Facebook Shuts Down RSS Feed App http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/facebook_shuts_down_rss_feed_app.php 12:38:18 Wow. 12:39:32 dpalmisano has joined #swxg 12:40:59 mischat has joined #swxg 12:41:24 melvster has joined #swxg 12:41:46 so I guess it's one of our main challenges to propose a solution to combine openness/accessibility and privacy 12:45:29 petef has joined #swxg 12:45:49 oshani_ has joined #swxg 12:50:58 pchampin has joined #swxg 12:51:54 renato has joined #swxg 12:56:05 well an atom feed with some auth may help to substitute, but i think Facebook wont agree, AlexKorth 12:56:11 INC_SWXG()9:00AM has now started 12:56:18 + +0785583aaaa 12:56:29 + +95177aabb 12:56:40 OK, how do I claim that a phone number is me? 12:56:45 MaciejJanik has joined #swxg 12:57:01 + +1.314.683.aacc 12:57:26 zakim, aaaa is me 12:57:26 +tinkster; got it 12:58:06 jeffs has joined #swxg 12:58:41 + +1.617.800.aadd 12:58:56 zakim, 1.617.800.aadd is karl 12:58:56 sorry, karl, I do not recognize a party named '1.617.800.aadd' 12:59:04 zakim, +1.617.800.aadd is karl 12:59:05 + +34.91.549.aaee 12:59:05 +karl; got it 12:59:11 BenG has joined #swxg 12:59:12 mischat_ has joined #swxg 12:59:16 + +2 12:59:19 Linas has joined #swxg 12:59:29 +??P18 12:59:30 cperey has joined #swxg 12:59:37 aaee its me 12:59:37 +??P19 12:59:54 zakim, aaee is me 12:59:54 +jsalvachua; got it 13:00:02 +Dom 13:00:07 -??P19 13:00:08 zakim, mute me 13:00:09 Dom should now be muted 13:00:10 PhilA has joined #swxg 13:00:17 +MIT531 13:00:23 + +1.801.949.aagg 13:00:26 DKA has joined #swxg 13:00:29 zakim, mute me 13:00:29 karl should now be muted 13:00:32 +??P19 13:00:37 zakim, mute me 13:00:37 tinkster should now be muted 13:00:45 -??P18 13:00:45 zakim, who's on the call? 13:00:48 On the phone I see tinkster (muted), pchampin, +1.314.683.aacc, karl (muted), jsalvachua, +2, Dom (muted), MIT531, +1.801.949.aagg, danbri 13:00:58 +??P24 13:01:03 + +0797094aahh 13:01:09 heard too 13:01:11 +Phil_Archer 13:01:17 +??P18 13:01:18 wonsuk has joined #swxg 13:01:20 +??P36 13:01:23 zakim, aahh is maybe micha 13:01:25 I don't understand 'aahh is maybe micha', dom 13:01:29 +??P34 13:01:31 zakim, aahh is probably micha 13:01:34 +micha?; got it 13:01:37 zakim, who is here? 13:01:42 On the phone I see tinkster (muted), pchampin, +1.314.683.aacc, karl (muted), jsalvachua, +2, Dom (muted), MIT531, +1.801.949.aagg, danbri, ??P24, micha?, Phil_Archer (muted), 13:01:42 ack me 13:01:49 ... ??P18, ??P36, ??P34 13:01:53 + +1.617.848.aaii 13:02:01 On IRC I see wonsuk, DKA, PhilA, cperey, Linas, mischat_, BenG, jeffs, MaciejJanik, renato, pchampin, oshani, petef, melvster, dpalmisano, caribou, hhalpin, dom, AlexKorth, tpa, 13:02:06 zakim, who is here? 13:02:09 ... karl, tinkster, RRSAgent, Zakim, AdamB, danbri, yuk, AlexPassant, jsalvachua, mattl 13:02:09 it is "irc.w3.org" not "irc.w3c.org" 13:02:13 + +46.1.08.01.aajj 13:02:15 hi, i found i joined in already, but how to participate in the chat? 13:02:20 On the phone I see tinkster (muted), pchampin, +1.314.683.aacc, karl (muted), jsalvachua, +2, Dom, MIT531 (muted), +1.801.949.aagg, danbri, ??P24, micha?, Phil_Archer (muted), 13:02:24 how do I tell zakim my phone number? 13:02:27 ... ??P18, ??P36, ??P34, +1.617.848.aaii, +46.1.08.01.aajj 13:02:27 zakim, zakim, who is on the phone? 13:02:28 yuk, you just did! :) 13:02:30 + +049261287aakk 13:02:33 rrsagent, pointer? 13:02:33 See http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-swxg-irc#T13-02-33 13:02:41 On IRC I see wonsuk, DKA, PhilA, cperey, Linas, mischat_, BenG, jeffs, MaciejJanik, renato, pchampin, oshani, petef, melvster, dpalmisano, caribou, hhalpin, dom, AlexKorth, tpa, 13:02:47 ... karl, tinkster, RRSAgent, Zakim, AdamB, danbri, yuk, AlexPassant, jsalvachua, mattl 13:02:48 zakim, mute me 13:02:50 I don't understand your question, jeffs. 13:02:58 Dom should now be muted 13:03:00 +??P43 13:03:02 @petef, you should say "Zakim, is me" 13:03:08 dom, can you chacl the logs? 13:03:11 +??P42 13:03:14 RRSAgent, make log public 13:03:15 Zakim, ??p43 is hhalpin 13:03:18 +??P44 13:03:21 +hhalpin; got it 13:03:33 FabGandon has joined #swxg 13:03:34 this is a big turnout, indeed! 13:03:35 Zakim, ??P42 is wonsuk 13:03:35 +wonsuk; got it 13:03:40 zakim, P34 is me 13:03:40 sorry, AlexKorth, I do not recognize a party named 'P34' 13:03:43 ah, i mean how to dial in? sorry i just install the mIRC 13:03:55 we have "only" 40 slots in the teleconference reservation 13:04:03 + +3077aall 13:04:04 daniel is asking for a scribe volunteer? 13:04:05 zakim, ??P44 is renato 13:04:05 +renato; got it 13:04:14 DanBri - scribing? 13:04:20 +??P10 13:04:33 zakim, ??P34 is me 13:04:33 +AlexKorth; got it 13:04:56 zakim, who is on the phone? 13:04:56 On the phone I see tinkster (muted), pchampin, +1.314.683.aacc, karl (muted), jsalvachua, +2, Dom (muted), MIT531 (muted), +1.801.949.aagg, danbri, ??P24, micha?, Phil_Archer 13:04:59 ... (muted), ??P18, ??P36, AlexKorth, +1.617.848.aaii, +46.1.08.01.aajj, +049261287aakk, hhalpin, wonsuk, renato, +3077aall, ??P10 13:05:08 zakim, unmute me 13:05:09 + +49.622.143.4.aamm 13:05:09 karl should no longer be muted 13:05:21 that's 25... 13:05:23 is there a URI for the agenda? 13:05:30 + +49.238.aann 13:05:32 hmm what is "+2"? 13:05:35 + +322548aaoo 13:05:46 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/weekly-agenda.html 13:05:48 agenda : http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/weekly-agenda.html 13:05:49 thanks 13:05:51 zakim, aall is probably BenG 13:05:51 +BenG?; got it 13:06:13 danbri has changed the topic to: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/ http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/weekly-agenda.html Social Web Incubator Group - public logged channel, see http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-swxg-irc 13:06:20 27 participants as of now 13:06:32 cf http://www.w3.org/1998/12/bridge/Zakim.html (member-only link afaik) 13:06:47 zakim who is on the phone? 13:06:56 Zakim, 1.314.777.aakk is me 13:06:56 sorry, AdamB, I do not recognize a party named '1.314.777.aakk' 13:06:58 anyone can help? i still didn't figure out how to join the phone conversation 13:07:03 -AlexKorth 13:07:05 -pchampin 13:07:06 rreck has joined #swxg 13:07:07 (i suggested daniel was a little muffled, he is reconnecting) 13:07:12 zakim, aakk is probably AdamB 13:07:12 +AdamB?; got it 13:07:14 Zakim, +322548aaoo is me 13:07:14 +FabGandon; got it 13:07:17 zakim, who is on the phone? 13:07:17 On the phone I see tinkster (muted), +1.314.683.aacc, karl, jsalvachua, +2, Dom (muted), MIT531 (muted), +1.801.949.aagg, danbri, ??P24, mischat_, Phil_Archer (muted), ??P18, 13:07:22 ... ??P36, +1.617.848.aaii, +46.1.08.01.aajj, AdamB?, hhalpin, wonsuk, renato, BenG?, ??P10, +49.622.143.4.aamm, +49.238.aann, FabGandon 13:07:27 yuk, do you have the agenda url? see http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/weekly-agenda.html 13:07:45 zakim, code? 13:07:45 the conference code is 7994 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), dom 13:07:51 -??P36 13:07:55 rrsagent, help? 13:07:55 I'm logging. Sorry, nothing found for 'help' 13:08:00 is conference call silent? 13:08:25 +??P34 13:08:30 zakim, who is speaking? 13:08:35 + +0774811aapp 13:08:40 zakim, zakim, +??P34 is jeffs 13:08:40 I don't understand 'zakim, +??P34 is jeffs', jeffs 13:08:41 danbri, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 25 (30%), karl (10%) 13:08:44 zakim, aapp is DKA 13:08:44 +DKA; got it 13:08:47 miquel has joined #swxg 13:08:50 trackbot, yes please. i'm afraid my knowledge of recent w3c tooling is rusty... 13:08:50 Zakim +??P18 is me 13:08:52 zakim, mute me 13:08:52 renato should now be muted 13:08:57 zakim, +??P34 is me 13:08:57 sorry, jeffs, I do not recognize a party named '+??P34' 13:08:59 phil, can you help with the bot stuff? 13:09:01 + +63.59.2.aaqq 13:09:06 daniela: i am one of the cochairs 13:09:06 zakim, P34 is me 13:09:06 sorry, jeffs, I do not recognize a party named 'P34' 13:09:13 zakim, +P34 is me 13:09:13 sorry, jeffs, I do not recognize a party named '+P34' 13:09:14 ...i sent intro to the @@url 13:09:21 ...along with danbri and hhalpin who are also on the line 13:09:29 Chair: Dan_Appelquist 13:09:35 Scribe: DanBri 13:09:39 (gsm noise interference ... pls move it away ...) 13:09:44 Zakim, mute hhalpin 13:09:44 hhalpin should now be muted 13:09:45 ScribeNick: DanBri 13:09:50 zakim, mute me 13:09:50 jsalvachua should now be muted 13:09:50 zakim mute me 13:09:51 please be scrupulous bout muting yourself while not speaking 13:09:52 Meeting: Social Web Incubator Group 13:09:56 zakim P34 is jeffs 13:10:02 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:10:02 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-swxg-minutes.html PhilA 13:10:02 zakim, mute me 13:10:02 karl should now be muted 13:10:03 -??P18 13:10:04 ...and as a matter of housekeeping, we have an irc channel that goes along with most calls 13:10:04 +pchampin 13:10:14 this more than a nice-to-have it is an essetnial part of all w3c calls 13:10:18 trackbot has joined #swxg 13:10:18 Sorry... I don't know anything about this channel 13:10:18 If you want to associate this channel with an existing Tracker, please say 'trackbot, associate this channel with #channel' (where #channel is the name of default channel for the group) 13:10:20 reason is that the minutes are taken into the irc channel 13:10:23 trackbot, bye 13:10:23 trackbot has left #swxg 13:10:31 pchampin has joined #swxg 13:10:32 Zakim, + +63.59.2.aaqq is me 13:10:32 I don't understand '+ +63.59.2.aaqq is me', tpa 13:10:33 this means that ... you can watch the minutes being taken as it happens 13:10:42 zakim unmute me 13:10:43 you can correct, add, ... if you are mis-scribed you can correct that 13:10:50 ...strawpolls can be taken in irc, etc 13:11:02 so participating in the irc channel, for those not familiar, it might sound a bit nerdy 13:11:07 Zakim, +63.59.2.aaqq is me 13:11:07 +tpa; got it 13:11:09 ... "well i'll just dial-in" ,... 13:11:11 RRSAgent, make minutes public 13:11:11 I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', karl. Try /msg RRSAgent help 13:11:15 ta dom 13:11:17 ...but instead i really encourage you to all get used to IRC 13:11:18 RRSAgent, make logs public 13:11:21 zakim, mute me 13:11:21 sorry, petef, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you 13:11:25 Zakim, +P34 is me 13:11:25 sorry, jeffs, I do not recognize a party named '+P34' 13:11:25 ... you will get a much richer experience out of it 13:11:29 zakin, mute me 13:11:32 ... interact in a bettter way 13:11:39 zakim, ??P18 is me 13:11:39 zakim, mute me 13:11:42 I already had ??P18 as ??P18, petef 13:11:43 mischat_ should now be muted 13:11:43 daniela: as we have limited time and a large group 13:11:47 ...we will go with harry's agenda 13:11:52 Zakim, ??P34 is me 13:11:52 +jeffs; got it 13:11:56 ... (see topic in irc) 13:11:59 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/weekly-agenda.html 13:12:00 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/weekly-agenda.html 13:12:01 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/weekly-agenda.html 13:12:03 RRSAgent, draft minutes 13:12:03 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-swxg-minutes.html karl 13:12:06 zakim, mute me 13:12:06 sorry, cperey, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you 13:12:08 Zakim, +049261287aakk is me 13:12:08 sorry, MaciejJanik, I do not recognize a party named '+049261287aakk' 13:12:09 :) 13:12:11 + +1.510.931.aarr 13:12:11 (It's the channel topic too.) 13:12:13 Zakim, who is on the call? 13:12:13 On the phone I see tinkster (muted), +1.314.683.aacc, karl (muted), jsalvachua (muted), +2, Dom (muted), MIT531 (muted), +1.801.949.aagg, danbri, ??P24, mischat_ (muted), 13:12:13 Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/weekly-agenda.html 13:12:17 ... Phil_Archer (muted), +1.617.848.aaii, +46.1.08.01.aajj, AdamB?, hhalpin (muted), wonsuk, renato (muted), BenG?, ??P10, +49.622.143.4.aamm, +49.238.aann, FabGandon, jeffs, DKA, 13:12:19 ... tpa, pchampin, +1.510.931.aarr 13:12:21 zakim, ??P18 is really me 13:12:21 +petef; got it 13:12:25 daniela: kicking right off... with introductions 13:12:37 zakim, mute me 13:12:37 sorry, petef, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you 13:12:39 ...for those of you who joined after i said this: please be scrupulous about muting 13:12:48 ...even if you don't think you need to 13:12:53 ... all that noise adds up! 13:12:54 zakim, mute me 13:12:54 sorry, MaciejJanik, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you 13:12:56 brief intros: 13:12:56 zakim, +447970942261 is me 13:12:56 sorry, petef, I do not recognize a party named '+447970942261' 13:13:13 Zakim, who's on the phone? 13:13:13 On the phone I see tinkster (muted), +1.314.683.aacc, karl (muted), jsalvachua (muted), +2, Dom (muted), MIT531 (muted), +1.801.949.aagg, danbri, ??P24, mischat_ (muted), 13:13:17 ... Phil_Archer (muted), +1.617.848.aaii, +46.1.08.01.aajj, AdamB?, hhalpin (muted), wonsuk, renato (muted), BenG?, ??P10, +49.622.143.4.aamm, +49.238.aann, FabGandon, jeffs, DKA, 13:13:18 Zakim, unmute me 13:13:18 The Zakim commands are here : http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot 13:13:21 ... tpa, pchampin (muted), +1.510.931.aarr 13:13:22 hhalpin should no longer be muted 13:13:24 roll call, ... brief intros ... 13:13:25 oshani has joined #swxg 13:13:30 Zakim, mute me 13:13:30 hhalpin should now be muted 13:13:32 harry: yes, that's what i meant ... BRIEF! 13:13:34 zakim, who is here? 13:13:34 On the phone I see tinkster (muted), +1.314.683.aacc, karl (muted), jsalvachua (muted), +2, Dom (muted), MIT531 (muted), +1.801.949.aagg, danbri, ??P24, mischat_ (muted), 13:13:37 ... Phil_Archer (muted), +1.617.848.aaii, +46.1.08.01.aajj, AdamB?, hhalpin (muted), wonsuk, renato (muted), BenG?, ??P10, +49.622.143.4.aamm, +49.238.aann, FabGandon, jeffs, DKA, 13:13:43 ... tpa, pchampin (muted), +1.510.931.aarr 13:13:44 On IRC I see oshani, pchampin, miquel, rreck, FabGandon, wonsuk, DKA, PhilA, cperey, Linas, mischat_, BenG, jeffs, MaciejJanik, renato, petef, melvster, dpalmisano, caribou, 13:13:47 ... hhalpin, dom, AlexKorth, tpa, karl, tinkster, RRSAgent, Zakim, AdamB, danbri, yuk, AlexPassant, jsalvachua, mattl 13:14:15 Seems 314 could be Bristol. 13:14:24 zakim, aacc is AdamB 13:14:24 +AdamB; got it 13:14:28 zakim, +1.617.848.aaii is me 13:14:28 +cperey; got it 13:14:31 + +1.203.276.aass 13:14:41 zakim, aass is HenryStory 13:14:41 +HenryStory; got it 13:14:42 Zakim, MIT531 is me 13:14:42 +oshani; got it 13:14:52 hi henry 13:15:10 sorry, I am skyping in from portugal. I dont know who I am ;) 13:15:10 marie has joined #swxg 13:15:36 one thing we can do is "mute xyz" or "who is speaking?", but both are a bit invasive 13:16:00 is petef on the call? 13:16:01 (I am not going to scribe this "who is 1.123.456 etc... discussion :) 13:16:20 for those who don't have a client we may suggest http://mibbit.com/chat/ 13:16:25 zakim, aajj is Hakan 13:16:25 +Hakan; got it 13:16:33 Hi, I am Linas from Alcatel-Lucent Bell Labs Research in France, +33 130 772 777 on the bridge 13:17:07 zakim, aamm is probably AlexKorth 13:17:07 +AlexKorth?; got it 13:17:14 (will zakim remember all these for next time?) 13:17:15 q+ 13:17:29 zakim, queue? 13:17:29 I see PhilA on the speaker queue 13:17:33 zakim, mute me 13:17:33 cperey should now be muted 13:17:43 ack me 13:17:46 ack phila 13:17:50 zakim, aamm is me 13:17:50 sorry, AlexKorth, I do not recognize a party named 'aamm' 13:17:53 Jed has joined #swxg 13:17:58 zakim, who is here? 13:17:58 On the phone I see tinkster (muted), AdamB, karl (muted), jsalvachua (muted), +2, Dom (muted), oshani (muted), +1.801.949.aagg, danbri (muted), ??P24, mischat_ (muted), 13:18:00 zakim, who is here? 13:18:01 ... Phil_Archer, cperey (muted), Hakan, AdamB?, hhalpin (muted), wonsuk, renato (muted), BenG?, ??P10, AlexKorth?, +49.238.aann, FabGandon, jeffs, DKA, tpa, pchampin (muted), 13:18:02 zakim +49.6221.4342116 13:18:07 zakim +49.6221.4342116 is me 13:18:08 ... +1.510.931.aarr, HenryStory 13:18:11 On IRC I see Jed, marie, oshani, pchampin, miquel, rreck, FabGandon, wonsuk, DKA, PhilA, cperey, Linas, mischat_, BenG, jeffs, MaciejJanik, renato, petef, melvster, dpalmisano, 13:18:14 ... caribou, hhalpin, dom, AlexKorth, tpa, karl, tinkster, RRSAgent, Zakim, AdamB, danbri, yuk, AlexPassant, jsalvachua, mattl 13:18:17 On the phone I see tinkster (muted), AdamB, karl (muted), jsalvachua (muted), +2, Dom (muted), oshani (muted), +1.801.949.aagg, danbri (muted), ??P24, mischat_ (muted), 13:18:20 ... Phil_Archer, cperey (muted), Hakan, AdamB?, hhalpin (muted), wonsuk, renato (muted), BenG?, ??P10, AlexKorth?, +49.238.aann, FabGandon, jeffs, DKA, tpa, pchampin (muted), 13:18:21 BenG = Benjamin Nguyen from UVSQ 13:18:22 hajons has joined #swxg 13:18:23 ... +1.510.931.aarr, HenryStory 13:18:25 On IRC I see Jed, marie, oshani, pchampin, miquel, rreck, FabGandon, wonsuk, DKA, PhilA, cperey, Linas, mischat_, BenG, jeffs, MaciejJanik, renato, petef, melvster, dpalmisano, 13:18:27 ... caribou, hhalpin, dom, AlexKorth, tpa, karl, tinkster, RRSAgent, Zakim, AdamB, danbri, yuk, AlexPassant, jsalvachua, mattl 13:18:28 zakim, AlexKorth is really Miquel 13:18:33 +Miquel; got it 13:18:41 (for roll call, if you have urls to your mailing list intro that would be great for the minutes) 13:18:46 Roll call: 13:18:56 Jed ... 13:19:04 +JuanCarlos 13:19:14 -> http://www.w3.org/mid/51ED3028-9740-4FF0-8D71-0ECDAEB1E31C@capturagroup.com Jed's intr 13:19:14 ... works for small consultancy in san diego, ... social media, .gov, ... 13:19:21 s/intr/intro/ 13:19:34 ...internet policy in washington folk, a consultant not a policy maker, staying abreast of standards, ... 13:19:45 zakim, unmute marie 13:19:45 sorry, dom, I do not know which phone connection belongs to marie 13:19:48 Marie: 13:19:54 .... UPC from Barcelona 13:19:59 Oshani: 13:20:04 zakim, unmute oshani 13:20:04 oshani should no longer be muted 13:20:09 Zakim, unmute me 13:20:09 oshani was not muted, oshani 13:20:12 -> http://www.w3.org/mid/a477174c0905031049k562eec88m65ab60c7de28e316@mail.gmail.com Oshani's intro 13:20:19 we can hear you oshani 13:20:20 Zakim, mute me 13:20:21 Miquel should now be muted 13:20:39 hi harry, it keeps on saying that 7794 is not valid :( 13:20:39 bblfish has joined #swxg 13:20:43 Oshani: student from MIT, work on issues related to privacy and accountability on the Web. Interested in applying research we're doing to social web related activities in the XG 13:20:45 -> http://www.w3.org/mid/4A0163D7.5070209@champin.net Pierre-Antoine Champin's intro 13:20:53 pchampin: 13:21:04 +1 Henry Story present 13:21:18 pchampin, Pieera-Antoine Champin, associate professor in france see url http://www.w3.org/mid/4A0163D7.5070209@champin.net 13:21:30 yuk, it's 7994 13:21:33 zakim, unmute me 13:21:34 Miquel should no longer be muted 13:21:41 zakim, unmute me 13:21:41 cperey should no longer be muted 13:21:46 Zakim, mute me 13:21:46 oshani should now be muted 13:21:53 Miquel: ... from ... research labs in germany, heidelberg 13:21:56 Zakim, mute me 13:21:56 hhalpin was already muted, hhalpin 13:22:03 ...working on distrib id management, ... 13:22:10 zakim, mute me 13:22:11 Miquel should now be muted 13:22:15 Rreck: Ron Reck ... 13:22:16 -> http://www.w3.org/mid/49FEB2EE.5040008@rrecktek.com Ronald Reck's intro 13:22:20 hi 13:22:22 yes 13:22:25 im trying 13:22:31 + +867552878aatt 13:22:35 + +1.781.273.aauu 13:22:41 my homepage http://fabien.info 13:22:43 fabien gandon: inria research, fr 13:22:47 see homepage :) 13:22:52 + +03858890aavv 13:23:00 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-social-web-talk/2009Apr/0010.html DKA's intro 13:23:00 DFA, Daniel Appelquist ... vodafone ac rep, co-chair, ... 13:23:12 joined, thanks 13:23:13 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-social-web-talk/2009May/0018.html PhilA's intro 13:23:20 Phil Archer (PhilA): in this xg i represent greek national centre for research in athems 13:23:22 athens 13:23:36 ...interested in social network openness, but also privacy concerns 13:23:37 zakim, mute me 13:23:37 Phil_Archer should now be muted 13:23:40 PhilA wants to grab our data but keep his private ;-) 13:23:49 -> http://www.w3.org/mid/8F39651CFAD94556B0E0805232545C03@T60 Christine Perey's intr 13:23:52 s/intr/intro/ 13:23:57 zakim, mute me 13:23:57 cperey should now be muted 13:23:59 Christen Perey (cperey), mobile social networking consultant, co-chaired barcelona workshop 13:24:12 Linas: from Lucent/Bell ... 13:24:19 thanks Harry! 13:24:21 ...social comms dept 13:24:29 ...bridging social nets analysis world with telecoms world 13:24:43 BenG: from Uni Versailles in Frane 13:24:45 France 13:24:47 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-social-web-talk/2009May/0005.html Ben's intro 13:24:52 DB, sociology, ... working with w3c standards 13:25:19 Jeffs: RIT ... centre for handheld web, ... w3c ac rep, ... also on mobile web group 13:25:47 ... here to do research on the networks expressed in this data, and the issues around privacy 13:25:52 +1.801.949.aagg = Jed. I've muted myself. 13:25:52 -> http://www.w3.org/mid/4A017D43.5010401@uni-koblenz.de Maciej's intro 13:25:56 zakim, unmute me 13:25:56 sorry, MaciejJanik, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you 13:26:22 zakim, unmute me 13:26:22 renato should no longer be muted 13:26:28 MicieJanik ... [missed that, desktop problem here, sorry] 13:26:47 (MaciejJanik, could you type your comment here please? sorry i missed it) 13:26:53 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-social-web-talk/2009May/0007.html Renato's introduction 13:27:02 Renato: from NICTA, Australia 13:27:14 zakim, unmute me 13:27:14 sorry, petef, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you 13:27:19 jeffs has joined #swxg 13:27:21 ...interest in interop amongst social networks and chair policy languages xg 13:27:23 I can't unmute myself 13:27:24 Renato's intro http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009May/0008.html 13:27:25 ? 13:27:26 zakim, mute me 13:27:26 renato should now be muted 13:27:31 is pete ferne 13:27:31 Zakim, unmute petef 13:27:31 sorry, hhalpin, I do not know which phone connection belongs to petef 13:27:44 Peter Ferne (petef): (postponed) 13:27:44 -> http://www.w3.org/mid/A32A1275-82E4-405B-8D7F-DA2C47996832@jivatechnology.com Peter Ferne's intro 13:27:45 zakim, who am I? 13:27:45 I don't understand your question, jeffs. 13:27:46 zakim +49.238.aann is me 13:27:49 melvin c 13:27:58 I don't think he's on the call? 13:28:02 Melvster: (not on call) 13:28:13 dom beat me to it. 13:28:17 MacTed has joined #swxg 13:28:18 sorry, im not on the call, just lurking, is that ok? 13:28:27 davide sent regrets, in a conflicting telecon 13:28:34 Mysterious voice :) 13:28:37 Who is speaking now? 13:28:39 who is speaking? 13:28:50 petef is on irc but mysteriously muted 13:28:56 and on the call 13:29:04 ah-hah! agenda gave #grddl-wg as supp channel 13:29:04 Caribou is Carine from W3C; she sends regrets 13:29:18 unmute ??PP18 13:29:30 zakim, unmute ??PP18 13:29:30 sorry, petef, I do not know which phone connection belongs to ??PP18 13:29:37 Zakim, unmute me 13:29:37 hhalpin should no longer be muted 13:29:39 danbri - my intro: I'm from IsWeb group, University of Koblenz, Germany. Interested in trust and privacy issues in social web. Working on WeKnowIt project. 13:29:41 Harry Halpin: 13:29:46 .... uni edinburgh 13:29:48 ...w3c fellow 13:29:50 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-social-web-talk/2009May/0000.html Harry's intro 13:29:56 +[IPcaller] 13:29:57 ....working on social web, rdf, info retrieval technologies 13:29:59 zakim, who is on the call? 13:29:59 On the phone I see tinkster (muted), AdamB, karl (muted), jsalvachua (muted), +2, Dom (muted), oshani (muted), +1.801.949.aagg, danbri, ??P24, mischat_ (muted), Phil_Archer 13:30:02 ... (muted), cperey (muted), Hakan, AdamB?, hhalpin, wonsuk, renato (muted), BenG?, ??P10, Miquel (muted), +49.238.aann, FabGandon, jeffs, DKA, tpa, pchampin (muted), 13:30:03 Zakim, unmute me 13:30:05 ... +1.510.931.aarr, HenryStory, JuanCarlos, +867552878aatt, +1.781.273.aauu, +03858890aavv, [IPcaller] 13:30:05 ack me 13:30:07 Zakim mute me 13:30:07 hhalpin was not muted, hhalpin 13:30:11 Dom: 13:30:27 ... cochaired the barcelona workshop, work on w3c's mobile web initiative 13:30:28 zakim, mute me 13:30:32 Dom should now be muted 13:30:32 zakim, ??P24 is me 13:30:35 +jeffs; got it 13:30:39 alex korth 13:30:42 ...berlin germany 13:30:47 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-social-web-talk/2009May/0003.html Alex Korth's intro 13:30:48 privacy issues, social media 13:30:59 PPA: Tim A.... 13:31:04 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-social-web-talk/2009May/0010.html Tim Anglade's intro 13:31:09 zakim, unmute me 13:31:09 http://www.la-grange.net/karl/ http://twitter.com/karlpro 13:31:09 karl should no longer be muted 13:31:10 ...representing ... (missed sorry) 13:31:17 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-social-web-talk/2009May/0026.html Karl's intro 13:31:26 Karl Dubost: social network ... ... giving ppl choice about their data 13:31:26 zakim, unmute me 13:31:26 tinkster should no longer be muted 13:31:29 s/... (missed sorry)/AF83/ 13:31:33 Toby Inkster - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009May/0010.html 13:31:33 Toby Inkster ... 13:31:36 ...see intro url 13:31:44 zakim, I am +1.781.273.aauu 13:31:44 +MacTed; got it 13:31:46 ... involved in microformats, foaf+ssl, libre.fm 13:31:49 zakim, unmute me 13:31:49 tinkster was not muted, tinkster 13:31:56 s/Dubost: social network/Dubost: social network guinea pig/ 13:32:01 zakim, mute me 13:32:01 tinkster should now be muted 13:32:16 Adam B: with Boeing, lead architect, product manager for an inhouse social tool 13:32:27 interested in interop between this and external systems, customers/suppliers etc 13:32:31 security issues etc 13:32:37 yes 13:32:38 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-social-web-talk/2009May/0034.html DanBri's intro 13:32:39 zakim, mute me 13:32:39 karl should now be muted 13:33:16 me: foaf etc 13:33:24 Alex Passant, ... 13:33:27 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-social-web-talk/2009May/0020.html Alexandre Passant's intro 13:33:30 alex is is the SPARQL WG 13:33:39 s/is is/is in/ 13:33:43 jsalvachua: ... 13:33:57 mattl: 13:34:03 mattl is Matt Lee, libre.fm 13:34:11 -> http://www.w3.org/mid/49F70D2E.5050405@cnuk.org Matt Lee's intro 13:34:11 Don't think he's on the call. 13:34:24 wonsuk: 13:34:44 mischat ! 13:34:49 -> http://www.w3.org/mid/B4EAD1122C31304099A5CDEA5447210F01908AE4@email2 Wonsuk's intro 13:35:02 i think i didnt unmuted me: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009May/0034.html 13:35:04 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-social-web-talk/2009May/0022.html Howard's intro 13:35:05 Wonsuk Lee: 13:35:18 from China, ... 13:35:52 s/Wonsuk Lee/Hao Wang/ 13:35:52 (not china, Korea... http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-social-web-talk/2009May/0023.html ) 13:36:04 ah ok thanks 13:36:06 hajons has joined #swxg 13:36:24 i have yet to introduce 13:36:35 url for Hao Wang intro? 13:36:48 Mischat: Mischa Tuffield ... 13:36:49 zakim, mute me 13:36:49 sorry, MaciejJanik, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you 13:36:50 bblfish still to introduce 13:36:54 currently working with Garlik 13:36:56 thx dom 13:36:57 i joined late, haven't introduce myself yet 13:37:04 interested in distrib social network, privacy 13:37:06 -> http://www.w3.org/mid/7E13617D-C3F7-4BB9-A172-73BDDF9B414A@garlik.com Mischa's intro 13:37:10 an online identity protection project 13:37:20 prev at southampton, ... interest in lifeblogging 13:37:36 touche 13:37:46 http://mmt.me.uk/ 13:38:04 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-social-web-talk/2009May/0030.html Hans' intro 13:38:08 http://www.memoriesforlife.org/ 13:38:11 Henry Story, work for Sun Microsystems as Social Web Architect. Co-authored this paper for spot2009 "FOAF+SSL: RESTful Authentication for the Social Web" http://bblfish.net/tmp/2009/05/spot2009_submission_15.pdf 13:38:11 I am just cycling from France to Germany (anyone know how to get good european mobile data prices?). Got a connection in a McDonald's sorry for silly music playing in background. Blog: http://blogs.sun.com/bblfish 13:38:22 zakim, who is here 13:38:22 petef, you need to end that query with '?' 13:38:29 Henry Story, representing Sun 13:38:32 foaf+ssl 13:38:36 zakim, who is here? 13:38:36 On the phone I see tinkster (muted), AdamB, karl (muted), jsalvachua (muted), +2, Dom (muted), oshani (muted), +1.801.949.aagg, danbri, jeffs.a, mischat_ (muted), Phil_Archer 13:38:39 ... (muted), cperey (muted), Hakan, AdamB?, hhalpin, wonsuk, renato (muted), BenG?, ??P10, Miquel (muted), +49.238.aann, FabGandon, jeffs, DKA, tpa, pchampin (muted), 13:38:42 ... +1.510.931.aarr, HenryStory, JuanCarlos, +867552878aatt, MacTed, +03858890aavv, [IPcaller] 13:38:44 q+ to offer an observation that it seems that we have some common threads: interesting that we have a lot of sociologists, a good many researchers and commercial interests. It's about who can say what to whom in such a way that both parties are protected without locking down the system so much that it becomes unusable. 13:38:45 On IRC I see hajons, MacTed, jeffs, bblfish, Jed, marie, oshani, pchampin, miquel, rreck, FabGandon, wonsuk, DKA, PhilA, cperey, Linas, mischat_, BenG, MaciejJanik, renato, petef, 13:38:49 ... melvster, dpalmisano, caribou, hhalpin, dom, AlexKorth, tpa, karl, tinkster, RRSAgent, Zakim, AdamB, danbri, yuk, AlexPassant, jsalvachua, mattl 13:38:50 Ted (macted) from openlink 13:38:57 ...open connectivity, access to information 13:39:07 zakim, who is muted 13:39:07 petef, you need to end that query with '?' 13:39:08 ... open protocols and formats, while preserving security in an organic sense 13:39:18 zakim, who is muted? 13:39:18 I see tinkster, karl, jsalvachua, Dom, oshani, mischat_, Phil_Archer, cperey, renato, Miquel, pchampin muted 13:39:19 ... integral to the foaf+ssl discussions, also oauth 13:39:28 ? from sony erricson 13:39:28 FOAF and then some - http://myopenlink.net/dataspace/person/tthibodeau 13:39:39 ...mainly interested in mobile aspects, esp trust aspects 13:39:56 ============ 13:39:56 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009May/0014.html 13:40:03 Daniel A: this is quite a diverse group 13:40:12 telecoms, web, semweb, indusrty , startups, academia, ... 13:40:16 zakim, draft minutes 13:40:16 I don't understand 'draft minutes', dom 13:40:18 ...app developers, ... others 13:40:21 RRSAgent, draft minutes 13:40:21 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-swxg-minutes.html dom 13:40:24 Alexandre Passant from DERI Galway (http://deri.ie) interested in Social Web and Semantic Web interactions (semantic blogging, semantic wikis, etc). Co-author of the SIOC ontology, MOAT project, worked on various applications such as foafmap. blogging at http://apassant.net 13:40:37 challenge is to identify areas where we can make a difference 13:40:48 leverage, synergy etc :) 13:41:10 i/Roll call:/Topic: Introductions/ 13:41:18 q- 13:41:21 within the WG, I'm interested in portability of social data and mappings between different formats that aim to achieve this goal - as well as privcay 13:41:34 Zakim, q+ 13:41:34 I see hhalpin on the speaker queue 13:41:35 Topic: Charter review and deliverables 13:41:40 ...we need to review the initial deliverables we have in the charter, expectations etc 13:41:44 hello i didn't introduce myself yet, if still possible 13:41:55 ....we created a 2h slot but generally that's probably too much 13:42:05 figure out if we want weekly vs biweekly ... 13:42:13 Harry wanted to talk about invited guests, ... 13:42:49 -> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/charter Social Web Incubator Group's charter 13:42:53 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/charter 13:43:01 re deliverables, ... http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/charter#deliverables 13:43:11 DanBri, go over charter? 13:43:17 scribe: PhilA 13:43:30 DanBRi: Can I bounce this to Harry? 13:43:36 Zakim, unmute me 13:43:36 hhalpin was not muted, hhalpin 13:44:00 -FabGandon 13:44:02 DB: In some of the early drafts of the charter, there were a lot of deliverables and I argued for tem to be reduced in number 13:44:04 -> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/charter#deliverables Proposed deliverables for the group 13:44:16 "A use-case and requirement document that describes a number of real-world use cases and determines if solutions can be built on top of existing standards, including standards outside the W3C, and help determine what other standards may be needed. Use-cases will guide the requirements needed for future work." 13:44:18 and 13:44:19 Better to deliver more than we promise than vice versa, 13:44:21 DB: If there is the capacity to produce those (dropped) delievrables, then let's do it 13:44:27 "A document that describes how diverse, ongoing work in this area (outside and within the W3C) currently relates to the Social Web's future. This description of existing, active and past work, both on an industry level and a technical level, will seek to explain how the W3C and community at large may leverage the best of breed and highlight possible weaknesses where further work or new work would be beneficial to the Social Web." 13:44:37 HH: I think it's important that everything that happens is because people want it to happen 13:44:48 HH: There is a low engagement from W3C itself 13:44:50 s/HH/DKA 13:44:55 zakim, who's noisy? 13:45:05 HH: Members of the WG do the work, noone else... 13:45:05 dom, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: DKA (84%), MacTed (25%), [IPcaller] (20%) 13:45:12 zakim, mute MacTed 13:45:12 MacTed should now be muted 13:45:17 zakim, mute [IPcaller] 13:45:17 [IPcaller] should now be muted 13:45:25 HH: We need editors 13:45:37 i might be 13:45:45 im am on skype 13:45:50 HH: Echoing DanBri's statement - more output may affect the quality of the output 13:46:10 zakim, [IPcaller] is maybe rreck 13:46:10 I don't understand '[IPcaller] is maybe rreck', dom 13:46:19 zakim, [IPcaller] is probably rreck 13:46:19 +rreck?; got it 13:46:29 ty 13:46:35 DKA: You're more influential if you're an editor 13:46:43 i can scribe now 13:46:48 Harry: given finite time ... 13:47:08 ...we need to produce high quality deliverables, that give w3c an idea of a clear role for its work in this area 13:47:09 s/HH:/DKA:/g 13:47:14 ScribeNick: danbri 13:47:14 ...so lets look at scheduling strategy 13:47:30 harry: productive telecons with 33 people are difficult! 13:47:34 i/Harry: given/ScribeNick: danbri/ 13:47:38 RRSAgent, draft minutes 13:47:38 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-swxg-minutes.html dom 13:47:45 ... once we know the participation, we can look at task forces aroudn topics or deliverables 13:47:49 task forces strike me as a good idea for focusing on deliverables 13:48:00 Zakim, +49.238.aann is me 13:48:00 +FabGandon; got it 13:48:06 +1 use cases 13:48:06 looking at what we have listed for delivs, fairly std set ... a use case and requirements doc ... 13:48:08 +1 Use case 13:48:08 +1 use case 13:48:08 +1 use case 13:48:10 +1 usecase 13:48:10 +1 use case 13:48:11 +1 use-case 13:48:11 +1 use case 13:48:11 +1 use case 13:48:14 +1 use case 13:48:15 +1 use case 13:48:16 +1 use case 13:48:17 +1 use case 13:48:17 +1 13:48:18 +1 use case 13:48:20 +1 use case 13:48:21 +1 use case 13:48:32 +1 use case 13:48:37 +1 use case 13:48:41 +1 13:48:42 2nd doc, more technical document, ... perhaps broader doc, than the main final report ...."details document", ... 13:48:44 +1 use case 13:48:48 +1 use case 13:48:49 +1 details document 13:48:53 ...lowerlevel document and a higherlevel document 13:48:56 [I'm interested in "user stories" more than "use cases" :) ] 13:49:03 +1 use-case editor 13:49:03 +1 use case editor 13:49:05 +1 use case editor 13:49:07 +1 use case editor 13:49:15 woo hoo! 13:49:20 +1 details document editor 13:49:24 +1 use case 13:49:27 Now for 2nd doc (technical doc) ... how many ppl in being editors? 13:49:31 +1 different docs 13:49:36 q+ 13:49:40 (possibly broken into diff docs) 13:49:41 +1 details document editor (but only if it's split up) 13:49:43 +1 technical document editor (but not two at the same time) 13:49:57 I'm up for editing any doc for which I am competent! 13:50:15 daniela: do you expect to see use cases translated into technical arch? 13:50:20 (which is a small subset of the possibles of course) 13:50:32 ...come up with a strawman arch for the social web? 13:50:39 +1 technical document 13:50:46 ... could include some of the enumeration of the different bits of work already going on in the community? 13:50:47 +1 technical document 13:50:50 +1 technical document 13:50:54 ... including work on a kind of strawman architecture? 13:51:14 harry: yes, ... you'd want to have strawman architectures but aslo as danbri points out existing architectures... 13:51:22 ....look realistically at the industry forces 13:51:25 +1 technical document 13:51:39 ...eg. maybe facebook don't want to participate, ... that's an issue but in the tech doc we can discuss their broad approach 13:51:41 looking at existing architectures keeps it real and grounds things in reality imho 13:51:48 ...and how the different stacks/architectures/approaches inter-relate 13:52:01 ... ie. some detail beyond that needed for w3c management report 13:52:26 DKA: it should be stated on this 1st call that our remit is not to develop new tech but to look at what's out there 13:52:34 ... not in business in this wg of making new tech 13:52:37 ...referencing etc 13:52:37 +1 use case 13:52:45 q+ to qualify that 13:52:46 its always easier to create a poor tool (technology) than learn a good one? 13:52:49 ack hhal 13:52:51 ack dka 13:52:55 +1 technical document 13:53:07 q? 13:53:07 dka: 2nd thing re deliverables ,... 13:53:11 ack meq? 13:53:13 q? 13:53:15 ack me 13:53:16 harry: final report is a bit difficult, it isn't a details report ... 13:53:27 sorry danbri 13:53:29 .... final report is what w3c should do (eg. recommend new groups) 13:53:40 should be a state of the art for actual solutions/ architectures 13:53:49 ... can invite externals in to speak 13:53:55 ... see what their needs, goals etc are 13:54:06 ... final report will be shorter, focussed on future role of w3c 13:54:12 charge is to "propose a way forward", not yet to build 13:54:19 ... may have more deliverables beyond that, but this is the core 13:54:31 +1 final report editor 13:54:31 can you write +1 "final report editor" in irc if you want to help with that 13:54:35 +1 final report editor 13:54:36 danbri: +1 final report ed 13:54:42 +1 final report editor 13:54:49 ack dan 13:54:49 danbri, you wanted to qualify that 13:54:51 ack me 13:54:55 +1 final report editor 13:54:59 +1 final report editor 13:55:11 good stuff danbri 13:55:11 Zakim, mute me 13:55:11 hhalpin should now be muted 13:55:20 DanBri: Although the group don't do tech development there's nothing to stop members forming ad hoc groups to go off and do something with real code and real tools 13:55:34 ... the FOAF+SSL is a good examppe of this 13:55:51 ... it doesn't necessarily need standardising but it's good stuff 13:56:13 zakim, who is making noise? 13:56:14 dfa: re foaf+ssl, it isn't so much new technology, but interesting recombination 13:56:14 DKA: The FOAF+SSL is not really new tech, it's a combination of existing technologies so it's a grey area 13:56:19 Zakim: who is speaking 13:56:24 jeffs, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: DKA (32%), danbri (4%), +03858890aavv (15%) 13:56:30 ... or at least a grey area 13:56:38 DFA: and we can be identifying gaps 13:56:43 +1 identifying gaps 13:56:52 ... putting a stricture on yourself is a way to understand what the gaps are 13:56:53 s/DFA/DKA/ 13:57:02 +1 technical document 13:57:22 q+ 13:57:22 yes, I should put a list of gaps for foaf+ssl 13:57:25 ack me 13:57:36 q+ to show the notes feature 13:57:39 q? 13:57:53 ack danbri 13:57:53 danbri, you wanted to show the notes feature 13:58:27 DKA: next charter section ... list of dependencies 13:58:31 ACTION: hhalpin to ask for Trackbot 13:58:33 ... any additional dependencies? 13:58:50 RI can do PLING 13:58:51 I'm on html5 wg 13:59:04 -JuanCarlos 13:59:31 q+ 13:59:40 danbri, we could also make queries on the group database 13:59:43 trackbot has joined #swxg 13:59:43 Sorry... I don't know anything about this channel 13:59:43 If you want to associate this channel with an existing Tracker, please say 'trackbot, associate this channel with #channel' (where #channel is the name of default channel for the group) 13:59:44 I can do SPARQL; and SIOC (while Uldis Bojars and John Breslin are also in the XG ) 13:59:55 action: danbri suggest some names/contacts for other group liaisons 13:59:55 Sorry... I don't know anything about this channel 14:00:08 maybe dom, or someone from the systeam, could extract the cross participation 14:00:24 trackbot, bye 14:00:24 trackbot has left #swxg 14:00:30 -cperey 14:00:45 ack hhalpin 14:00:50 q+ 14:00:52 steve harris may come to future meetings to bridge swxg and sparql wg 14:01:04 re invited ghuests: 14:01:10 harry: 2 diff things to do on a telecon 14:01:17 +cperey 14:01:18 ... 1 is make and write deliverables 14:01:27 ... can do that in smaller groups, eg tf-based 14:01:35 (mail or phone, ... whatever) 14:01:39 can we go back to the task force documents? 14:01:45 ... but we can take that tf discussion offline 14:01:51 zakim, mute me 14:01:51 cperey should now be muted 14:01:52 ... we can maintain weekly meetings 14:02:05 ....but every bi-weekly we devote it to one of the groups listed in the dependencies 14:02:23 ... so that everyone can dial in and listen to how someone things their tech helps the social web, and how relates to w3c 14:02:28 apologies to the meeting but I have to duck out now, will catch up on the list 14:02:31 -wonsuk 14:02:33 ... eg also things it might need help with, or not be good for 14:02:37 petef has left #swxg 14:02:43 -mischat_ 14:03:01 +1 to alternate mtgs being devoted to hearing this, but maybe just for one cycle to begin with? 14:03:10 +1 14:03:10 q+ to suggest minor tweak: biweekly neednt be outsiders, but good to have substantive technical content periodically (biweekly fine) 14:03:18 dedicating telecons to particular ongoing activities within the social web is a great idea! 14:03:24 renato redialing (droped out) 14:03:28 harry: clear procuess for moving input from externals into docs 14:03:30 i think sounds like a great idea 14:03:34 Zakim, mute me 14:03:34 hhalpin should now be muted 14:03:44 ... alternate weeks can be insider stuff, writing docs, task forces etc 14:03:52 +1 agrees with DanBri 14:03:55 dka: good idea 14:03:56 Zakim, unmute me 14:03:56 hhalpin should no longer be muted 14:04:00 ... but q of how long the calls should be 14:04:10 ... strawman fwd of 1h calls 14:04:17 [I think 2 hours is too long; 1h per week sounds good] 14:04:18 nothing gets done after an hour of a mtg 14:04:20 ... 1h call has to start on time 14:04:22 +1 one hour calls started on time 14:04:27 a 2h call is a big chunk of the day 14:04:29 it seems that a presentation should not last more than 30min 14:04:31 +1 one hour calls started on time 14:04:36 +1 one hour 14:04:42 dka: issue with invited speakers, ... getting a pipeline ... 14:04:42 +1 30 minutes presentations 14:04:42 +1 one hour 14:04:44 +1 hour call 14:04:44 +??P25 14:04:55 .... who takes on role of getting them lined up 14:05:02 zakim, i am +??P25 14:05:02 sorry, renato, I do not see a party named '+??P25' 14:05:03 30 mins presentation + 30 mins discussion 14:05:09 q+ to volunteer some pipeline role 14:05:13 Technical doc potential editors: jsalvachua, tinkster, karl 14:05:13 Use Case potential Editor: jeffs, karl, PhilA, FabGandon 14:05:13 Final report potential editors: cperey, tpa, danbri, tinkster, Jed, FabGandon 14:05:31 harry: keep invite talk to 30 mins q+a, ... rest of time for feedback, discussion etc 14:05:31 what about 30 minutes presentation, 30 minutes q/a with presenter, 30 minutes group action discussion 14:05:34 q? 14:05:35 yep 14:05:40 if person can send us stuff to read first it should be possible 14:05:51 harry: this 1st call always going to be a bit tricky, as people get used to the tooling 14:05:55 ... use the wiki over next week 14:06:07 ... can use wiki to let people update and add themselves 14:06:15 eg. we could start with mobile and contexts 14:06:19 Zakim, mute me 14:06:19 hhalpin should now be muted 14:06:20 can we vote on speakers we think are important? 14:06:21 ack tpa 14:06:30 zakim, mute me 14:06:30 renato was already muted, renato 14:06:42 tpa: re invited speakers, ... missing the point of those ... 14:07:08 ... sad to see us spend too much time on those 14:07:19 ... when could be doing research, etc 14:07:26 thought research+other work could be done on alternating weeks... 14:07:27 karl, yes i think so re wiki 14:07:41 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Main_Page 14:07:42 http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Main_Page 14:07:42 my comment is that real work is grounding your efforts in the existing environment 14:07:55 dka: incubator group is what we make of it... 14:08:14 dka: curious to hear from others re invited speakers mechanism 14:08:28 ... i like it as it helps expose us to ideas outside those immediately recommended here 14:08:38 q+ 14:08:43 ... the real work we commit to, ... 14:08:53 ack danbri 14:08:53 danbri, you wanted to suggest minor tweak: biweekly neednt be outsiders, but good to have substantive technical content periodically (biweekly fine) and to volunteer some pipeline 14:08:55 ... role 14:09:42 DanBRi: One reason I like the invited speaker idea is that W3C is often seen as the big slow consortium that lumbers along behind the people who are doing the real work. 14:10:00 ... That's not fair or true but things like OAuth, Open Social and so on are improtant 14:10:22 ... but poorly connected to the things that W3C does well (accessibility, mobile, i18n) 14:10:37 i agree the speaker effort pushes the envelope the right direction 14:10:41 ... it would be good to give other projects a way to bring them into contact with what W3C does well 14:10:42 ack tpa 14:11:14 We could also have the task forces meet weekly. 14:11:37 If people think that biweekly doesn't give them enough "work time". 14:11:43 Note that also I was not talking about tutorials. 14:11:46 ok, if the information is available in advance let's regularly review it as ciriculum 14:11:48 TPA: Most of those people have places on the Web that people can look up. I'm not sure that it's a good sue of time. We need to focus our effort - looking at other peopkle's work is something anyone can do any time 14:11:49 q+ 14:11:53 q? 14:11:54 i see your point 14:11:54 -> http://www.w3.org/2009/01/29-oauth-minutes OAuth Project Review 14:12:02 but also about the role of the W3C and standardization in their work. 14:12:11 ack danbri 14:12:17 This is an example of an invited speaker who introduced the concepts of OAuth to W3C Staff 14:12:20 So, for example, tutorials on blogs and video won't talk about accessibility issues in OpenSocial :) 14:12:44 DanBri: This is not tuorial material. We expect everyone to be able to read up before hand. It's 'how does this tech relate to otehr things on the Web' 14:13:00 ... e.g. calendar folk had some accessibility issues 14:13:04 so maybe the forum of the speaker should be intended to be more interactive than traditional talk at you presentations 14:13:21 s/calendar folk/hCalendar/ 14:13:23 given the short time span, and the fact that we are not set out to implement anything, getting other experts involved to give their insight seems like it would be useful... 14:13:37 DanBri: It shouldn't necessarily be a regular event - that sounds like a weekly conference 14:13:45 q? 14:13:48 ack me 14:13:49 PROPOSED RESOLUTION: We will hold weekly hour-long calls. Every other call will be an "invited speaker" call where we will have at least a half-hour invited speaker to talk or discuss an external technology or project (e.g. Microformats). Speakers to be organized via wiki. 14:14:07 lets call them discussions 14:14:08 +1 to Danbri's proposal. It helps to focus on current implementations and then stay connected with some commercial constraints and realities 14:14:31 propose revision, "topical discussion" rather than "invited speaker"; the invited person might be on the group or not ... 14:14:37 +q 14:14:46 unmute me 14:14:49 q+ to suggest a slight modification to the resolution 14:14:57 ...but it will be a guided discussion with a technical theme, and the group expected to do their background reading 1st 14:15:01 q? 14:15:01 zakim, unmute me 14:15:02 cperey should no longer be muted 14:15:05 ack cp 14:15:23 so the speaker should be expected to present reading in advance 14:15:24 cperey: i'd like to see this invited speaker system used to track or fill-in gaps in our knowledge 14:15:30 ...not rehash things that we know well already 14:15:40 +1 no re-hashing of well known information 14:15:48 +1 using topical discussions to attract things we don't know and platform providers 14:15:50 ... to attract more platform providers, social networks such as facebook, myspace, ... to tell us what they're doing 14:16:03 dka: yes, and we could also use this mechanism to bring in some of the startups in the social space 14:16:14 ...eg mobile social startups who are working on innovative ideas around social web, ... 14:16:32 ... who may be disconneted from communities of practice around both trad standards, but also from oauth, microformats etc 14:16:35 +q 14:16:43 ... and could have as much to gain from getting connected here as vice-versa 14:16:51 so a different kind of invited speaker 14:16:52 since several of our orientations is toward privacy or information ownership should we slant presentations in that direction? 14:17:10 cperey: we'll go down the lists from the charter, but not clear these are the ones who need to be invited 14:17:11 s/presentations/discussions/ 14:17:30 ...eg. we don't *need* presentations on foaf, dataportability, oauth, .... 14:17:50 dka: it isn't to have tutorials presented, ... rather how they fit into the social web ecosystem ... 14:17:54 i think we should vote on the topics WE all feel are relevant 14:18:02 should we ask someone to look into organizing the first topical discussion, and see whether that's worth repeating on a regular basis? 14:18:03 challenging discussions are good 14:18:04 ack me 14:18:05 PhilA, you wanted to suggest a slight modification to the resolution 14:18:06 ack phila 14:18:08 zakim, unmute me 14:18:08 cperey was not muted, cperey 14:18:20 zakim, mute me 14:18:20 cperey should now be muted 14:18:23 phila: a lot of sympathy with what christine says ... not being told about things we need to know about ,... 14:18:30 ...but 30 mins sounds quite a long time, ... 14:18:35 quite a long slot in many situations 14:18:39 q+ 14:18:45 q- cperey 14:18:45 PROPOSED RESOLUTION: We will hold weekly hour-long calls. Every other call will be an "invited speaker" call where we will have at least a half-hour invited speaker to talk/q&a or discuss an external technology or project (e.g. Microformats). Speakers to be organized via wiki. 14:18:49 ack dom 14:18:49 ack me 14:18:51 q+ to talk about reviews by professionals 14:18:58 20min including discussion, then? 14:18:59 perhaps timeslot length dependent on degree of relevence and complexity of the thing being discussed? 14:19:05 +1 and the presenter should submit links for advanced reading 14:19:06 q+ to note that some of these external consultations could be purely by email or IRC (and that microformats people are very much not inclined to phone calls) 14:19:07 PROPOSED RESOLUTION: We will hold weekly hour-long calls. 14:19:18 q? 14:19:25 dom: lets take a decision ... 30 mins isn't so long 14:19:37 +1 14:19:42 zakim, unmute me 14:19:42 karl should no longer be muted 14:19:42 + 1 14:19:45 ack karl 14:19:45 karl, you wanted to talk about reviews by professionals 14:19:46 re oauth, an example topic might be: http://oauth.net/advisories/2009-1 14:19:48 15 min makes sense. Depends on what the subject is. If we want to hear of people, but for them to see what we are doing then, 15min is much better 10 minutes even better, it gives the listener 50 minutes to see what we are doing 14:20:02 zakim, mute me 14:20:02 Dom should now be muted 14:20:11 karl: review ... would be by professionals 14:20:30 ... a way to find out if what we're doing [missed] 14:20:33 q? 14:20:39 Karl, can you scribe that, audio was bit muffled 14:20:44 +1 14:20:46 +1 14:20:46 +1 14:20:47 +1 14:20:48 +1 14:20:48 +1 for weekly 1h 14:20:49 +1 14:20:49 +1 14:20:50 +1 on weekly hour calls 14:20:50 +1 14:20:51 +1 14:20:51 +1 14:20:52 +1 14:20:53 +1 14:20:53 +1 14:20:54 +1 weekly 1h 14:20:54 ack danbri 14:20:54 danbri, you wanted to note that some of these external consultations could be purely by email or IRC (and that microformats people are very much not inclined to phone calls) 14:20:54 +1 14:21:01 +! 14:21:03 +1 for one hour meetings. 14:21:03 +1 14:21:06 +1 14:21:30 +1 14:21:39 +1 on weekly hour calls 14:21:44 s/[missed]/is useful. Help to focus on writing stuff which can be directly usable by current social networks./ 14:22:21 dka: re invited speakers, i support the idea of trying it out, ... 14:23:40 q+ 14:23:59 Zakim, unmute me 14:23:59 hhalpin should no longer be muted 14:24:03 is there any discussion with respect to who the "external groups" should be? Or is the current list final 14:24:04 how about ... action: danbri propose an external speakers process 14:24:13 ack hhalpin 14:24:16 resolution: agreed 1h weekly concall 14:24:38 ACTION: Danbri to propose an external speakers process to the mailing list 14:24:42 rrsagent, draft minutes 14:24:42 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-swxg-minutes.html PhilA 14:24:44 dka: we don't have much time on telecons, ... so it is very important that we make the agenda concise, address needs of the group 14:24:52 "PROPOSAL" 14:24:55 ... useful if we can do as much as possible on the list 14:25:03 s/dka/hhalpin/ 14:25:09 ... proposals can be technical, editorial, ... 14:25:13 ...or procedural 14:25:31 Zakim, mute me 14:25:31 hhalpin should now be muted 14:25:36 [in general, it is indeed a good idea to do as much work as possible on the mailing list, esp. on big groups like this one] 14:26:13 DKA: we also talked about taskforces ... whether to discuss that today 14:26:18 ... likely we'll have some TFs ... 14:26:28 ... predicated on different groups of people on the group 14:26:38 Perhaps people could send proposals out to the list? 14:26:45 (yup) 14:26:45 we did a lot of thinking on task forces in February 14:26:57 can we please review past work on that 14:27:02 zakim unmute me 14:27:15 zakim, unmute me 14:27:15 cperey should no longer be muted 14:27:16 zakim, unmute cperey 14:27:16 cperey was not muted, PhilA 14:27:16 zakim, unmute cp 14:27:17 cperey was not muted, DKA 14:27:27 renato has to drop out now... 14:27:29 [I second dom on working on the mailing list and not offlist through emails. It really helps to engage in shared work.] 14:27:36 cperey: [re taskforces], ... i think that there was a lot of effort put into thinking about natural taskforces ... 14:27:47 -??P25 14:27:48 ...based on those at the workshop 14:27:58 ... re-use, or examine, the TFs that were proposed there 14:28:02 trying to find that link... 14:28:08 http://esw.w3.org/topic/UnifiedSocialXG 14:28:10 zaki, P25 was Renato 14:28:15 sorry, I have really to leave now, will look at the minutes + mailing-list 14:28:23 zakim, P25 was Renato 14:28:23 I don't understand 'P25 was Renato', PhilA 14:28:32 dka: in process of whittling down the agenda (charter? -ed) the longer list got dropped .... 14:28:33 zakim, P25 is Renato 14:28:34 sorry, PhilA, I do not recognize a party named 'P25' 14:28:35 ...but valuable work 14:28:35 zakim,zakim, ??P25 is renato 14:28:35 I don't understand 'zakim, ??P25 is renato', dom 14:28:40 sure 14:28:43 zakim, ??P25 is renato 14:28:43 I already had ??P25 as ??P25, dom 14:28:52 zakim, ??P25 is really renato 14:28:52 +renato; got it 14:28:53 action: Christine send summary of the previous XG TF proposals to the list 14:29:02 bye 14:29:18 zakim, mute me 14:29:18 cperey should now be muted 14:29:18 dka: agenda review ... 14:29:23 Zakim, unmute me 14:29:23 hhalpin should no longer be muted 14:29:24 ... we've covered much of it 14:29:55 harry: how to manage agenda for the next meeting? 14:30:03 -BenG? 14:30:14 Can we organise agendas on the Wiki? 14:30:21 ... also re docs, editing etc., if people want to stay on the call, we can walk through some of the technicalities of the wiki etc 14:30:33 i like idea of an agenda-fodder area of the wiki 14:30:34 +1 to using the wiki to organize the agendas 14:30:35 I've not been able to log in to wiki 14:30:35 -> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Main_Page Social Web wiki 14:30:36 what about having a session for those NEW TO W3C? 14:30:55 we need a foaf+ssl enabled wiki :-) 14:30:57 re tutorial session, can we do that but not today? it coudl do with some prep i think 14:31:05 +1 foaf+ssl wiki :) 14:31:36 bblfish: I have FOAF+SSL+OpenID working with MediaWiki's OpenID plugin for a while. 14:31:42 Zakim, mute me 14:31:42 hhalpin should now be muted 14:31:48 who do we email if our w3c login doesn't work on the wiki 14:31:50 s/have/had/ :-( 14:31:51 PROPOSAL: Agenda planning on wiki 14:31:55 dka: +1 on agenda-priming on the wiki 14:31:57 wiki log in 14:31:58 +1 14:31:58 s/bblfish: I/bblfish, I/ 14:32:15 let's make sure that everybody can get on the wiki! 14:32:17 E-mail me if your login doesn't work, and can look into it. Please do provide as much details as possible. 14:32:24 ok 14:32:30 i get, "Login error: Incorrect password entered. Please try again. " 14:32:33 so that would make an very useful use case. 14:32:35 yeah me too 14:32:36 and it upcases danbri to "DanBri" ... 14:33:00 (let's get a few people polished with the tools, ...) 14:33:07 dka: we should be eating our own dogfood 14:33:21 foaf+ssl login to wiki ... 14:33:25 (if you know that crude phrase, "practice what your preach", "use the techniology you're talking about", etc) 14:33:42 Supposedly dog food salesmen used to actually eat their own dogfood to demonstrate how good it was. 14:33:55 dka: ...to create a sense of community, some kind of online social community eg identi.ca, ... twitter-like tools ... 14:33:59 it would be nice if a blog-post summarized each meeting as well. 14:34:03 strawman proposal: an identi.ca server, or ... 14:34:10 http://identi.ca/group/swxg 14:34:24 i did make an identi.ca group, "socialweb" a while back, http://identi.ca/group/socialweb 14:34:29 dka: also potential for f2f meeting 14:34:43 ...there is a planned TPAC (tech plenary and advisory cottee meeting) in california in November 14:34:48 so you should be able to use your "W3C" account and login. 14:35:10 ack me 14:35:16 I believe it wiould be welcome, yes 14:35:21 dom: yes, believe that will happen 14:35:28 TPAC2009: 2-6 November 2009, Santa Clara Marriott, CA, USA 14:35:33 dka: some of us could use that to meet f2f 14:35:43 ...and to engage with bay area / san fran tech scene 14:35:48 zakim, mute me 14:35:48 Dom should now be muted 14:36:13 Ning and FB are among those that are nearby of course... 14:36:34 good plan (for Nov face to face meeting) 14:36:36 dka: do we have f2f before then? 14:36:38 Zakim, unmute me 14:36:38 hhalpin should no longer be muted 14:37:05 Zakim, mute me 14:37:05 hhalpin should now be muted 14:37:10 harry: nov is fine 14:37:22 q+ to suggest smaller ad hoc meetings could be likely, and useful 14:37:23 ideally, we'll have drafts of everything by November. 14:37:28 open stack, e.g. plaxo guys mccrea and smarr, could be invited. no, smarr talks to fast 14:37:29 q? 14:37:34 ack danbri 14:37:34 danbri, you wanted to suggest smaller ad hoc meetings could be likely, and useful 14:37:38 Q: are there 2 wikis ? http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/Main_Page and identi.ca? 14:37:55 identi.ca is not a wiki but a microblog (like twitter) 14:37:57 DanBRi: It's quite likely that various members of this group will meet up during the year through otehr occasions 14:38:12 DKA: People should self-organise their own meet ups 14:38:24 q+ 14:38:29 plaxo is located there as well 14:38:32 also, note that this IRC channel can be used also outside of teleconferences to help sync with others in the group 14:38:43 dka: i suppor the idea that ppl within the group should self-org their own meetups, get togethers etc., .... part of the trend in mobile social networking ... is that people use the tech to more efficiently meet up in person 14:38:59 fwiw I am "danbri" on dopplr.com and happy to be linked to other SWXG people on that service 14:39:00 cperey, identi.ca is a twitter-like messenger service based on laconi.ca open platform developed by Evan Prodomou and Robin Millette in Montreal, Canada. 14:39:14 ACTION: HarryH to help debug wiki 14:39:17 (noting that my openid setup is broken at moment due to hacked homepage, so i cannot log into dopplr, identi.ca etc :) 14:39:20 q? 14:39:23 ack hh 14:40:02 140 chars 14:40:06 harry: this week in html5 is quite useful 14:40:11 URI to summary... 14:40:15 I volunteer 14:40:20 for making summaries 14:40:25 Yes, Harry - but it's usually done by the chair ;-) 14:40:27 ( i think harary isn't talking about http://lastweekinhtml5.blogspot.com/ ) 14:40:27 summary on wiki, post uri to identi.ca 14:40:43 dka: can we post minutes into the wiki? 14:40:46 seems like an overkill to me 14:40:53 +1 to Dom 14:40:58 Well, if someone could post a quick summary to the wiki. 14:41:02 I will create a last weekin social network xg 14:41:03 i think the minutes are the minutes 14:41:05 then we can put the URI out. 14:41:07 +1 to Dom, minutes look quite noisy. 14:41:14 but the minutes are public anyway so it's copying material 14:41:58 harry: often there are breaking news (eg. some facebook/rss thing) 14:42:06 ... gather key sources (feeds etc) 14:42:07 Zakim, mute me 14:42:07 hhalpin should now be muted 14:42:14 Anyone wnat to volunteer for that? 14:42:20 i said that about facebook. i could repost my twitter stuff (@alexkorth) to identi.ca 14:42:31 We could do reposts to a page on the wiki as well... 14:42:32 mailing list *far* preferred, to me 14:42:56 there's also delicious.com 14:43:00 who is talking? 14:43:01 Sounds like time's up. 14:43:09 zakim, who is making noise? 14:43:09 someone's put us on hold 14:43:09 :) 14:43:12 i guess that is all 14:43:16 zakim who is talking ? 14:43:18 very nice music 14:43:20 danbri, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: DKA (15%) 14:43:20 thanks for watching 14:43:22 please more 14:43:24 :) 14:43:26 hehe :) 14:43:31 the production value of this call is amazing! 14:43:31 Was that a new Zakim feature? 14:43:42 :) 14:43:48 dka: adjourning... 14:43:51 my W3C account is also rejected when trying to log onto the wiki, is tehre a contact person? 14:43:52 official swxg anthem 14:43:59 Let's start using that listserv... 14:44:09 dka: adjourned! 14:44:10 by 14:44:11 same time, same place? 14:44:12 thanks everyone. 14:44:12 Re the wiki, post me all the news. 14:44:13 bye 14:44:13 great! 14:44:15 bye 14:44:15 bubye 14:44:15 Yes, same time same place. 14:44:16 exactly same coordinagtes next week? 14:44:16 -Dom 14:44:17 bye 14:44:17 -jeffs.a 14:44:18 - +03858890aavv 14:44:19 thx, bye! 14:44:21 cue spanish guitar music again? 14:44:21 -oshani 14:44:21 -karl 14:44:21 bye 14:44:22 -tpa 14:44:22 -Phil_Archer 14:44:22 bye all 14:44:23 -tinkster 14:44:25 pchampin has left #swxg 14:44:26 -AdamB 14:44:26 bye see 14:44:27 rrsagent, please draft minutes 14:44:27 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-swxg-minutes.html danbri 14:44:29 - +867552878aatt 14:44:29 -cperey 14:44:29 Hopefully all bureaucracy can be finished by next meeting :) 14:44:32 - +1.801.949.aagg 14:44:33 thanks to all of you! 14:44:33 -HenryStory 14:44:33 bye 14:44:35 -FabGandon 14:44:38 -jeffs 14:44:39 -Hakan 14:44:40 zakim, who is here? 14:44:41 -MacTed 14:44:44 - +2 14:44:45 - +1.510.931.aarr 14:44:48 -DKA 14:44:49 -pchampin 14:44:51 anybody with admin rights at the wiki still on irc??? 14:44:52 -??P10 14:44:54 -Miquel 14:44:54 Re the wiki, I don't have "admin" rights per se. 14:44:56 On the phone I see jsalvachua (muted), danbri, AdamB?, hhalpin (muted), renato (muted), rreck? (muted) 14:44:59 -rreck? 14:44:59 I just asked for it to be set-up. 14:45:01 -danbri 14:45:05 On IRC I see hajons, MacTed, jeffs, bblfish, marie, oshani, miquel, rreck, FabGandon, wonsuk, DKA, PhilA, cperey, BenG, MaciejJanik, melvster, dpalmisano, caribou, hhalpin, dom, 14:45:06 i left 14:45:11 ... AlexKorth, tpa, karl, tinkster, RRSAgent, Zakim, AdamB, danbri, yuk, AlexPassant, mattl 14:45:11 hhalpin, get in touch with sysreq 14:45:18 PhilA has left #swxg 14:45:22 Will do, but I need a good description of the problem. 14:45:22 -renato 14:45:27 -AdamB? 14:45:27 Are other people having trouble logging in to SWXG wiki? 14:45:29 -jsalvachua 14:45:29 It seems to work just fine for me. 14:45:40 I think anybody not on the Team is not able to join the group, hhalpin 14:45:44 wonsuk has left #swxg 14:45:45 I get "Login error: Incorrect password entered. Please try again." 14:45:45 Could everyone whose having problems e-mail me, ideally with your login (passowrd) not needed. 14:45:49 I am also unable to log on using my normal W3C username & password 14:46:00 OK, it appears wiki has not been setup right. 14:46:03 Nevermind e-mailing me. 14:46:04 hhalpin, I suspect the wiki isn't bound to the XG participants list 14:46:05 okay, will email 14:46:11 Using username:tinkster ; password:(my password) ; domain:"W3C Accounts" 14:46:16 RRSAgent, draft minutes 14:46:16 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-swxg-minutes.html dom 14:46:16 It appears to have permissions bound not the XG participants, but to W3C members only. 14:46:16 okay, *won't* email 14:46:23 Or perhaps even Team Members. 14:46:32 Thanks Dom! 14:46:44 I am a W3C member & it is rejecting e as well 14:46:44 I'll send w3c sysreq an e-mail today. 14:46:59 tnx 14:47:11 bye now 14:47:13 Sorry, we asked for it to be bound to SWXG participants, probably a small switch is off somewhere... 14:49:15 melvster has joined #swxg 14:49:30 rrsagent, pointer? 14:49:30 See http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-swxg-irc#T14-49-30 14:51:33 PovAddict has joined #swxg 14:51:38 ACTION: Christine send summary of the previous XG TF proposals to the list 14:51:44 rrsagent, please draft minutes 14:51:44 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-swxg-minutes.html danbri 14:52:17 zakim, who's on the phone? 14:52:17 On the phone I see hhalpin 14:52:19 oops, i added that action twice ... my browser had cached an elarier version 14:52:20 zakim, drop hhalpin 14:52:20 hhalpin is being disconnected 14:52:21 INC_SWXG()9:00AM has ended 14:52:22 Attendees were +0785583aaaa, +95177aabb, pchampin, +1.314.683.aacc, tinkster, +34.91.549.aaee, karl, +2, jsalvachua, Dom, +1.801.949.aagg, danbri, +0797094aahh, Phil_Archer, 14:52:23 :) 14:52:27 ... +46.1.08.01.aajj, +049261287aakk, hhalpin, wonsuk, +3077aall, renato, +49.622.143.4.aamm, mischat_, BenG?, AdamB?, FabGandon, +0774811aapp, DKA, tpa, jeffs, +1.510.931.aarr, 14:52:31 ... petef, AdamB, cperey, +1.203.276.aass, HenryStory, oshani, Hakan, AlexKorth?, Miquel, JuanCarlos, +867552878aatt, +1.781.273.aauu, +03858890aavv, MacTed, rreck? 14:52:39 csarven has joined #swxg 14:52:45 RRSAgent, drop action-6 14:52:45 I'm logging. I don't understand 'drop action-6', dom. Try /msg RRSAgent help 14:52:48 RRSAgent, drop action 6 14:52:54 RRSAgent, draft minutes 14:52:54 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-swxg-minutes.html dom 14:53:00 tpa has left #swxg 14:55:49 Dom - can you send minutes to list? 14:55:54 oshani has joined #swxg 14:56:44 minutes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009May/0043.html 14:56:58 scribes duty, i normally assume 14:57:04 happy to get a 2nd copy though :) 14:57:19 nope, then you do it danbri! 14:57:34 done http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009May/0043.html 15:00:36 mischat has joined #swxg 15:13:45 marie has left #swxg 15:14:14 yep, i'm leaving it on autosubscribe 15:14:51 apparently that was what got me in trouble in the first place ;) 15:15:10 no trouble! 15:18:52 It there a reason we're all +o now? 15:19:17 to hang onto ops collectively, as i forget the bot support we have hereabouts 15:19:18 Or is it just danbri demonstrating how much he didn't mind mattl being +o earlier? 15:19:28 bit of that too 15:19:45 :) 15:23:08 haha 15:26:56 danbri: did you get a chance to add my w3 account to the SWXG? 15:33:56 did you go thru the invites process? harry handles most of that 15:34:04 rrsagent, off