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16:27:00 <AllanJ> rrsagent, set logs public
16:27:09 <AllanJ> zakim, this will be wai_u
16:27:09 <Zakim> ok, AllanJ; I see WAI_UAWG()1:00PM scheduled to start in 33 minutes
16:39:01 <AllanJ> chair: Jim_Allan
16:39:22 <AllanJ> regrets: Mark_H, Kelly_F
16:40:38 <AllanJ> Agenda+ Logistics (Regrets, agenda requests, comments)?
16:40:40 <AllanJ> Agenda+ Review comments to draft  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-uaag2-comments/2009Apr/0000.html
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16:52:22 <jeanne> hey jim! 
16:52:33 <jeanne> trackbot, start meeting
16:52:35 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
16:52:37 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_UAWG
16:52:37 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_UAWG()1:00PM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
16:52:38 <trackbot> Meeting: User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
16:52:38 <trackbot> Date: 30 April 2009
16:53:02 <jeanne> chair: Jim_Allan, Kelly_Ford
16:54:01 <jeanne> zakim, code?
16:54:01 <Zakim> the conference code is 82941 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jeanne
16:57:24 <sharper> sharper has joined #ua
16:58:15 <sharper> zakim, code?
16:58:15 <Zakim> the conference code is 82941 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), sharper
16:58:57 <Zakim> WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has now started
16:59:04 <Zakim> +??P1
16:59:10 <Jan> Jan has joined #ua
17:00:05 <Jan> zakim, code?
17:00:05 <Zakim> the conference code is 82941 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Jan
17:00:15 <sharper> zakim, ??P1 is sharper
17:00:15 <Zakim> +sharper; got it
17:00:16 <Zakim> +??P5
17:00:36 <Jan> zakim, ??P5 is really Jan
17:00:36 <Zakim> +Jan; got it
17:01:23 <Zakim> +Jeanne
17:03:12 <Zakim> +Allanj
17:03:20 <Zakim> + +1.617.325.aaaa
17:03:51 <AllanJ> zakim, aaaa is really Kim_Patch
17:03:51 <Zakim> +Kim_Patch; got it
17:04:23 <AllanJ> regrets: +Henny
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17:05:54 <sharper> scribe: Harper_Simon
17:05:54 <sharper> ScribeNick: sharper
17:06:08 <AllanJ> zakim, agenda?
17:06:08 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda:
17:06:09 <Zakim> 1. Logistics (Regrets, agenda requests, comments)? [from AllanJ]
17:06:11 <Zakim> 2. Review comments to draft  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-uaag2-comments/2009Apr/0000.html [from AllanJ]
17:06:26 <sharper> present: Allan_James, Harper_Simon,  Spellman_Jeanne,  Richards_Jan, Patch_Kim
17:06:39 <sharper> zakim, take up item 1
17:06:39 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Logistics (Regrets, agenda requests, comments)?" taken up [from AllanJ]
17:06:39 <sharper> zakim, close item 1
17:06:42 <Zakim> agendum 1, Logistics (Regrets, agenda requests, comments)?, closed
17:06:43 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
17:06:44 <Zakim> 2. Review comments to draft  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-uaag2-comments/2009Apr/0000.html [from AllanJ]
17:06:50 <sharper> zakim, take up item 2
17:06:50 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Review comments to draft  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-uaag2-comments/2009Apr/0000.html" taken up [from AllanJ]
17:07:36 <sharper> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:07:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/30-ua-minutes.html sharper
17:07:55 <sharper> rrsagent, make logs public
17:07:55 <sharper> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:07:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/30-ua-minutes.html sharper
17:08:34 <sharper> regrets+ Ford_Kelly
17:08:51 <sharper> regrets+ Hakkinen_Mark
17:09:00 <sharper> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:09:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/30-ua-minutes.html sharper
17:10:13 <sharper> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2009AprJun/0016.html
17:10:30 <sharper> meeting: User Agent Working Group Telecon - 30 April 2009
17:10:46 <sharper> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:10:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/30-ua-minutes.html sharper
17:11:21 <sharper> JS: Thanks to Greg Lowney, for comments on Working Draft
17:11:58 <sharper> JS: Have Invited Greg to join, he is considering it.
17:12:34 <sharper> JS: Read over the last few days - some we can just action - others will need more discussion.
17:12:49 <sharper> All: Most have not had time to read this in detail
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17:13:32 <sharper> JS: these are the ones we can just implement, and will be presented to the group via the survey, mostly formatting.
17:14:31 <sharper> JS: 2nd cat - those where Greg has proposed and action.
17:14:35 <sharper> JS: 3rd cat - need to allocate people to write a proposal.
17:14:56 <sharper> JS: 4th cat (finally), Those which need more discussion.
17:15:24 <sharper> JA: Are we all OK for JS to action formatting?
17:15:28 <sharper> sh: +1
17:16:17 <sharper> zakim, save agenda
17:16:24 <Zakim> ok, sharper, the agenda has been written to http://www.w3.org/2009/04/30-ua-agenda.rdf
17:16:24 <sharper> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:16:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/30-ua-minutes.html sharper
17:19:32 <sharper> RESOLVED: JS to section Greg's comments into Categories, actioning formatting, moving proposals to a survey, and requesting allocation of resources for group members to build proposals around comments which have none.
17:21:55 <sharper> rrsagent, draft minutes
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17:24:38 <AllanJ> all discuss #11. (Re 3.10.8) Why limit stealing focus  top level viewports?: Why 
17:24:39 <AllanJ> ensure that the user can stop top-level viewports from stealing focus, 
17:24:41 <AllanJ> but not do the same about other events that steal focus (e.g. popup 
17:24:43 <AllanJ> menus)? (Priority: 3 Low) (Type: Clarify)
17:26:23 <AllanJ> filling in form controls and the focus moves to next item when character limit reached
17:26:57 <AllanJ> KP: this is a huge issue for speech users. seems the UA is thinking for itself.
17:31:27 <sharper> KP: consistency makes interaction easier.
17:32:04 <sharper> JR: 3.1.11 we have a guideline, we can make a work item and bring in some of these ideas.
17:32:28 <sharper> JR: need a stronger control of focus in general.
17:35:42 <AllanJ> this should be guideline 3.11
17:36:14 <sharper> JS: Gregs intention was that uA should be able to prevent focus steeling, categorically.
17:38:35 <sharper> JA: point 41
17:38:48 <AllanJ> #41. (Re 3.6.3) Require minimum option range beyond that of the  platform: The minimum range for each text characteristic is "the range  offered by the conventional utility available in the operating  environment", and only if there is none does a wide range become  required. Thus, as user who needs to adjust these settings in order to  make the system accessible is in great shape if the...
17:38:50 <AllanJ> ...platform has no  conventions, but is "out of luck" if the platform offers a small range  of options (e.g. a handheld device which normally uses just two font  sizes, or does not provide any light-on-dark color schemes). It seems  like the wider range should become required if the operating environment  provides no default range OR if it offers a default range that is  narrower than a...
17:38:51 <AllanJ> ...certain threshold.  (Priority: 2 Medium) (Type: Expand)
17:39:01 <sharper> JR: Greg is just saying that some operating environments have a very small range.
17:40:50 <sharper> JA: is this the same for every platform?
17:41:10 <sharper> JR: eg black and white screen, cannot require colour on this.
17:41:10 <AllanJ> JR: different platforms would have different requirements to be compliant
17:41:38 <AllanJ> ...e.g. device with black and white screen, can't get color. 
17:41:49 <sharper> JR: does this mean we will set absolute thresholds for devices?
17:42:27 <sharper> JA: concerned that we already get comments that UAAG is too burdomsom - hate using this as a decission point - but is pragmatic.
17:43:04 <sharper> JS: look to make it as good as we can - but implementations will make this explicit - shouldn't guess on this.
17:43:24 <sharper> JR: odd if we require UA to go beyond the platform and typical apps on the platform.
17:45:07 <AllanJ> SH: query, different UAs have to meet UAAG, but have vastly different capabilities
17:45:16 <AllanJ> ...how do they conform?
17:45:56 <sharper> KP: key is consistency - whatever is required, however it is done, make it consistent.
17:49:07 <sharper> rrsagent, draft minutes
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17:53:35 <sharper> JA: could we get Greg to come to the meeting next week so we can have more time to digest the comments and get feedback firsthand.
17:54:08 <sharper> JS: please write a proposal for any that don't have them - this will make things much faster.
17:54:17 <sharper> RESOLVED: Please write a proposal for any that don't have them - this will make things much faster.
17:55:03 <Zakim> -Jan
17:55:06 <Zakim> -Kim_Patch
17:55:08 <Zakim> -sharper
17:55:20 <sharper> RESOLVED: Please send these to the list so  we don't duplicate.
17:55:50 <sharper> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:55:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/30-ua-minutes.html sharper
17:56:07 <sharper> zakim, please part
17:56:07 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were sharper, Jan, Jeanne, Allanj, +1.617.325.aaaa, Kim_Patch
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17:56:49 <sharper> s/'http://tinyurl.com/chwsum'/correction 
17:57:19 <sharper> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:57:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/30-ua-minutes.html sharper
17:57:58 <sharper> rrsagent, please part
17:57:58 <RRSAgent> I see no action items