IRC log of ua on 2009-04-30
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/04/30-ua-irc
- 16:27:00 [AllanJ]
- rrsagent, set logs public
- 16:27:09 [AllanJ]
- zakim, this will be wai_u
- 16:27:09 [Zakim]
- ok, AllanJ; I see WAI_UAWG()1:00PM scheduled to start in 33
minutes
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- chair: Jim_Allan
- 16:39:22 [AllanJ]
- regrets: Mark_H, Kelly_F
- 16:40:38 [AllanJ]
- Agenda+ Logistics (Regrets, agenda requests, comments)?
- 16:40:40 [AllanJ]
- Agenda+ Review comments to draft http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-uaag2-comments/2009Apr/0000.html
- 16:52:15 [jeanne]
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- hey jim!
- 16:52:33 [jeanne]
- trackbot, start meeting
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
- 16:52:37 [trackbot]
- Zakim, this will be WAI_UAWG
- 16:52:37 [Zakim]
- ok, trackbot; I see WAI_UAWG()1:00PM scheduled to start in 8
minutes
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- Meeting: User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group
Teleconference
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- Date: 30 April 2009
- 16:53:02 [jeanne]
- chair: Jim_Allan, Kelly_Ford
- 16:54:01 [jeanne]
- zakim, code?
- 16:54:01 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 82941 (tel:+1.617.761.6200
tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jeanne
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- zakim, code?
- 16:58:15 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 82941 (tel:+1.617.761.6200
tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), sharper
- 16:58:57 [Zakim]
- WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has now started
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- +??P1
- 16:59:10 [Jan]
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- zakim, code?
- 17:00:05 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 82941 (tel:+1.617.761.6200
tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Jan
- 17:00:15 [sharper]
- zakim, ??P1 is sharper
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- +sharper; got it
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- +??P5
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- zakim, ??P5 is really Jan
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- +Jan; got it
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- +Jeanne
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- +Allanj
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- + +1.617.325.aaaa
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- zakim, aaaa is really Kim_Patch
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- +Kim_Patch; got it
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- regrets: +Henny
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- scribe: Harper_Simon
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- ScribeNick: sharper
- 17:06:08 [AllanJ]
- zakim, agenda?
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- I see 2 items remaining on the agenda:
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- 1. Logistics (Regrets, agenda requests, comments)? [from AllanJ]
- 17:06:11 [Zakim]
- 2. Review comments to draft http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-uaag2-comments/2009Apr/0000.html
[from AllanJ]
- 17:06:26 [sharper]
- present: Allan_James, Harper_Simon, Spellman_Jeanne, Richards_Jan,
Patch_Kim
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- zakim, take up item 1
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- agendum 1. "Logistics (Regrets, agenda requests, comments)?" taken up
[from AllanJ]
- 17:06:39 [sharper]
- zakim, close item 1
- 17:06:42 [Zakim]
- agendum 1, Logistics (Regrets, agenda requests, comments)?,
closed
- 17:06:43 [Zakim]
- I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
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- 2. Review comments to draft http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-uaag2-comments/2009Apr/0000.html
[from AllanJ]
- 17:06:50 [sharper]
- zakim, take up item 2
- 17:06:50 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "Review comments to draft http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-uaag2-comments/2009Apr/0000.html"
taken up [from AllanJ]
- 17:07:36 [sharper]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/30-ua-minutes.html
sharper
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- rrsagent, make logs public
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/30-ua-minutes.html
sharper
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- regrets+ Ford_Kelly
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- regrets+ Hakkinen_Mark
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/30-ua-minutes.html
sharper
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2009AprJun/0016.html
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- meeting: User Agent Working Group Telecon - 30 April 2009
- 17:10:46 [sharper]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/30-ua-minutes.html
sharper
- 17:11:21 [sharper]
- JS: Thanks to Greg Lowney, for comments on Working Draft
- 17:11:58 [sharper]
- JS: Have Invited Greg to join, he is considering it.
- 17:12:34 [sharper]
- JS: Read over the last few days - some we can just action - others
will need more discussion.
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- All: Most have not had time to read this in detail
- 17:13:06 [mhakkinen]
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- JS: these are the ones we can just implement, and will be presented
to the group via the survey, mostly formatting.
- 17:14:31 [sharper]
- JS: 2nd cat - those where Greg has proposed and action.
- 17:14:35 [sharper]
- JS: 3rd cat - need to allocate people to write a proposal.
- 17:14:56 [sharper]
- JS: 4th cat (finally), Those which need more discussion.
- 17:15:24 [sharper]
- JA: Are we all OK for JS to action formatting?
- 17:15:28 [sharper]
- sh: +1
- 17:16:17 [sharper]
- zakim, save agenda
- 17:16:24 [Zakim]
- ok, sharper, the agenda has been written to http://www.w3.org/2009/04/30-ua-agenda.rdf
- 17:16:24 [sharper]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/30-ua-minutes.html
sharper
- 17:19:32 [sharper]
- RESOLVED: JS to section Greg's comments into Categories, actioning
formatting, moving proposals to a survey, and requesting allocation of
resources for group members to build proposals around comments which
have none.
- 17:21:55 [sharper]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/30-ua-minutes.html
sharper
- 17:24:38 [AllanJ]
- all discuss #11. (Re 3.10.8) Why limit stealing focus top level
viewports?: Why
- 17:24:39 [AllanJ]
- ensure that the user can stop top-level viewports from stealing
focus,
- 17:24:41 [AllanJ]
- but not do the same about other events that steal focus (e.g. popup
- 17:24:43 [AllanJ]
- menus)? (Priority: 3 Low) (Type: Clarify)
- 17:26:23 [AllanJ]
- filling in form controls and the focus moves to next item when
character limit reached
- 17:26:57 [AllanJ]
- KP: this is a huge issue for speech users. seems the UA is thinking
for itself.
- 17:31:27 [sharper]
- KP: consistency makes interaction easier.
- 17:32:04 [sharper]
- JR: 3.1.11 we have a guideline, we can make a work item and bring in
some of these ideas.
- 17:32:28 [sharper]
- JR: need a stronger control of focus in general.
- 17:35:42 [AllanJ]
- this should be guideline 3.11
- 17:36:14 [sharper]
- JS: Gregs intention was that uA should be able to prevent focus
steeling, categorically.
- 17:38:35 [sharper]
- JA: point 41
- 17:38:48 [AllanJ]
- #41. (Re 3.6.3) Require minimum option range beyond that of the
platform: The minimum range for each text characteristic is "the range
offered by the conventional utility available in the operating
environment", and only if there is none does a wide range become
required. Thus, as user who needs to adjust these settings in order to
make the system accessible is in great shape if the...
- 17:38:50 [AllanJ]
- ...platform has no conventions, but is "out of luck" if the platform
offers a small range of options (e.g. a handheld device which normally
uses just two font sizes, or does not provide any light-on-dark color
schemes). It seems like the wider range should become required if the
operating environment provides no default range OR if it offers a
default range that is narrower than a...
- 17:38:51 [AllanJ]
- ...certain threshold. (Priority: 2 Medium) (Type: Expand)
- 17:39:01 [sharper]
- JR: Greg is just saying that some operating environments have a very
small range.
- 17:40:50 [sharper]
- JA: is this the same for every platform?
- 17:41:10 [sharper]
- JR: eg black and white screen, cannot require colour on this.
- 17:41:10 [AllanJ]
- JR: different platforms would have different requirements to be
compliant
- 17:41:38 [AllanJ]
- ...e.g. device with black and white screen, can't get color.
- 17:41:49 [sharper]
- JR: does this mean we will set absolute thresholds for devices?
- 17:42:27 [sharper]
- JA: concerned that we already get comments that UAAG is too burdomsom
- hate using this as a decission point - but is pragmatic.
- 17:43:04 [sharper]
- JS: look to make it as good as we can - but implementations will make
this explicit - shouldn't guess on this.
- 17:43:24 [sharper]
- JR: odd if we require UA to go beyond the platform and typical apps
on the platform.
- 17:45:07 [AllanJ]
- SH: query, different UAs have to meet UAAG, but have vastly different
capabilities
- 17:45:16 [AllanJ]
- ...how do they conform?
- 17:45:56 [sharper]
- KP: key is consistency - whatever is required, however it is done,
make it consistent.
- 17:49:07 [sharper]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 17:49:07 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/30-ua-minutes.html
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- 17:53:35 [sharper]
- JA: could we get Greg to come to the meeting next week so we can have
more time to digest the comments and get feedback firsthand.
- 17:54:08 [sharper]
- JS: please write a proposal for any that don't have them - this will
make things much faster.
- 17:54:17 [sharper]
- RESOLVED: Please write a proposal for any that don't have them - this
will make things much faster.
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- -Jan
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- -Kim_Patch
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- -sharper
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- RESOLVED: Please send these to the list so we don't duplicate.
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/30-ua-minutes.html
sharper
- 17:56:07 [sharper]
- zakim, please part
- 17:56:07 [Zakim]
- leaving. As of this point the attendees were sharper, Jan, Jeanne,
Allanj, +1.617.325.aaaa, Kim_Patch
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- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/30-ua-minutes.html
sharper
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- rrsagent, please part
- 17:57:58 [RRSAgent]
- I see no action items