IRC log of xhtml on 2009-04-29

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Zakim, this will be IA_XHTML2
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ok, trackbot; I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 29 April 2009
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Apr/0052.html
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Chair: Roland
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I will only be in IRC today, on another concurrent call
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IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has now started
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+Roland_Merrick
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Zakim, Roland_Merrick is Roland
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+Roland; got it
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+McCarron
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zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see Roland, McCarron
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On IRC I see Steven, ShaneM, Zakim, RRSAgent, Roland, mgylling, Tina, trackbot
13:49:35 [Steven]
zakim, dial stevgen-617
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I am sorry, Steven; I do not know a number for stevgen-617
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zakim, dial steven-617
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ok, Steven; the call is being made
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+Steven
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scribe: Steven
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/29-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
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Regrets: Alessio
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+Gregory_Rosmaita
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Topic: Role transition
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Steven: The transition of role was OK'd yesterday
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... for some reason it didn't get copied to chairs or XHTML2
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... I'll check with Ralph
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... but I assume we can just proceed
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Topic: 4 PERs
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Steven: The draft transition announcement has been sent to Comm, and I am waiting for a definitive date, so that we can update the SOTD
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ACTION: Steven to advance role module to CR
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Created ACTION-80 - Advance role module to CR [on Steven Pemberton - due 2009-05-06].
14:00:04 [Steven]
ACTION-80 due one week later
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ACTION-80 Advance role module to CR due date now one week later
14:00:52 [Steven]
Topic: Examples on Wiki
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Gregory: I have been putting examples on the wiki, and it seems like it should be organised by module
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... just to let people know that I have been setting up this way
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http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/XHTML2/i18n
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Steven: You use Unicode characters instead of the real characters
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Gregory: I prefer it that way for my accessibility software
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Steven: You don't need to have separate URLs for the different press releases; that's the point of hreflang (or one of them at least)
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Topic: Actions
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http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/pendingreview
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ACTION-42 closed
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ACTION-42 Request CR for role closed
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Roland: Action 42 closed
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Steven: I've just given myself the action to progress it to the next stage
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Roland: Action 47
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Steven: Addison OKd this
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action-47 closed
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ACTION-47 Reply to Addison with a request for a new attribute name. closed
14:11:50 [Steven]
Roland: @ for you Gregory, 58 and 59
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Gregory: Action is done
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Roland: We will put it on a future agenda
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... put them on the agenda for the future vftf
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Roland: We'll close both then
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/29-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
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Roland: We need to close and reopen action 31, since we decided to take Access back to last call
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ACTION was - Steven to propose a rephrasing of the about attribute inheritance
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rules.
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[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/04-html-minutes.html#action05]
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Steven: That's all been done in RDFa
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... we only have to refer to that
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ACTION was - ShaneM - break Issues 7659 and 7656 into individual issues so can
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be addressed
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[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-xhtml-minutes.html#action12]
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ACTION-64 done
14:20:41 [ShaneM]
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/ED-curie-20090422/
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Shane: Action 64 is done
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ACTION-64 closed
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ACTION-64 Change CURIE spec to make the prefix mechanism the responsibility of the host language closed
14:21:30 [Steven]
shane: I'm still on action 73; the RDF is tricky, but I'll have it done today
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Roland: Talking of CURIEs
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... there was the guy who wasn't happy
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... did we talk to the other RDFa people about sending a comment to OWL?
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Shane: I sent a request, didn't hear anything back
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Steven: Is there a call tomorrow?
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Shane: No
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Steven: When are the comments due
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Shane: Sometime yet; only started last week
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Shane: Oh yes, there is a call this week
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... I will be on it
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Topic: Three missing elements in B. Element prohibitions
14:25:21 [Roland]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2009AprJun/0010.html
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2009AprJun/0010.html
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<!ENTITY % a.content
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"(#PCDATA | %special; | %fontstyle; | %phrase; | %inline.forms; | %misc.inline;)*">
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<!-- pre uses %Inline excluding img, object, applet, big, small,
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font, or basefont -->
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<!ENTITY % pre.content
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"(#PCDATA | a | %special.basic; | %fontstyle.basic; | %phrase.basic; |
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%inline.forms; | %misc.inline;)*">
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Steven: I have never understood this restriction
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... I think of pre as keeping whitespace and newlines, and using a fixed width font
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... I'm pretty sure that XHTML2 doesn't have this restriction
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... but that's not to the point of this person's comment
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... which looks like it is right
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... that the DTD and the text disagree
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Steven: HTML4 says this - <!ENTITY % pre.exclusion "IMG|OBJECT|BIG|SMALL|SUB|SUP">
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http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/sgml/dtd.html#pre.exclusion
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Shane; Let's add it to the text, as a clarification
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... the DTD is correct
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... the text only refers to the strict version
14:38:31 [Steven]
Steven: I have already asked for the transition, so I feel a bit shaky about making this change now
14:38:49 [Steven]
Roland: Then we put it in the pipeline for the next version, and reply to this guy that he is right
14:40:49 [Steven]
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/REC-xhtml1-20090320-errata
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Steven: We can add it there
14:41:32 [Roland]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2009AprJun/0015.html
14:41:50 [Steven]
Topic: White space handline in XHTML 1.0
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Steven: What's up
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Shane: XML defines our shitespace handling
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Steven: Right
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... so we just have to tell him that
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s/shite/white
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Shane: We defer to XML for input and CSS for output
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Steven: Exactly right
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Topic: AOB
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Steven: I'm not here next week
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... I'll ping Ralph on the transition
14:44:55 [ShaneM]
I have defined a new Container role-properties in the xhtml vocab document. it contains all of the values directly or indirectly
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[ADJOURN]
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-Roland
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-Gregory_Rosmaita
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-Steven
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-McCarron
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IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended
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Attendees were Roland, McCarron, Steven, Gregory_Rosmaita
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rrsagent, bye
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I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/29-xhtml-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: Steven to advance role module to CR [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/29-xhtml-irc#T13-59-48