IRC log of mediafrag on 2009-04-29

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12:13:23 [raphael]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Apr/0146.html

12:13:29 [raphael]

Chairs: Erik, Raphael

12:13:40 [Zakim]

+ +95055aabb

12:13:48 [raphael]

zakim, aabb is raphael

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+ +3539149aacc

12:13:49 [Zakim]

+raphael; got it

12:13:56 [Zakim]

+Yves

12:14:00 [mhausenblas]

Zakim, aacc is me

12:14:00 [Zakim]

+mhausenblas; got it

12:14:14 [raphael]

Present: Michael, Erik, Yves, Raphael

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Regrets: Conrad, Davy

12:14:43 [raphael]

zakim, who is there?

12:14:43 [Zakim]

I don't understand your question, raphael.

12:14:47 [raphael]

zakim, who is here?

12:14:47 [Zakim]

On the phone I see +0329331aaaa, raphael, mhausenblas, Yves

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On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, erik, Yves, trackbot, mhausenblas, raphael, nessy, conrad

12:14:56 [raphael]

zakim, aaaa is Erik

12:14:56 [Zakim]

+Erik; got it

12:15:24 [Zakim]

+ +61.2.801.2.aadd

12:15:47 [raphael]

zakim, aadd is silvia

12:15:47 [Zakim]

+silvia; got it

12:16:07 [raphael]

Scribe: raphael

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scribenick: raphael

12:16:21 [silvia]

Zakim mute me

12:16:25 [raphael]

Topic: 1/ ADMIN

12:16:58 [raphael]

Proposed to accept te minutes of April 8, http://www.w3.org/2009/04/08-mediafrag-minutes.html

12:17:05 [erik]

+1

12:17:17 [raphael]

Propose to accept the minutes of the f2f meeting: http://www.w3.org/2009/04/16-mediafrag-minutes.html and http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediafrag-minutes.html

12:17:24 [raphael]

RESOLUTION: all minutes approved

12:17:24 [mhausenblas]

+1+1

12:17:33 [silvia]

+1

12:17:57 [silvia]

zakim, mute me

12:17:57 [Zakim]

silvia should now be muted

12:18:54 [mhausenblas]

q+ on ACTION-65

12:19:02 [mhausenblas]

ack me

12:19:02 [Zakim]

mhausenblas, you wanted to comment on ACTION-65

12:19:27 [raphael]

Next f2f meeting in September, possibly in Amsterdam, on 17-18/09

12:20:38 [raphael]

Topic: 2. UC & Requirements

12:21:40 [raphael]

I have re-issued the transition request

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... I'm waiting for Philippe's yes

12:22:20 [raphael]

... before splitting the document and advertizing the other groups to review our document

12:22:31 [raphael]

close ACTON-51

12:22:51 [raphael]

RRSAgent, close ACTION-51

12:22:51 [RRSAgent]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'close ACTION-51', raphael. Try /msg RRSAgent help

12:23:05 [raphael]

close ACTION-51

12:23:05 [trackbot]

ACTION-51 Summarize the content of the wiki page to put in the main document, with few examples and a short story closed

12:23:17 [raphael]

done just before the F2F meeting

12:23:23 [raphael]

Topic: 3. Specification

12:23:34 [raphael]

Yves: will do my action in the next 2 weeks

12:24:03 [mhausenblas]

q+ on structure of the WD

12:24:12 [mhausenblas]

ack me

12:24:12 [Zakim]

mhausenblas, you wanted to comment on structure of the WD

12:24:46 [raphael]

Erik: regarding action-67, I will provide an example

12:24:55 [raphael]

Michael: I want to talk about action-64

12:25:28 [raphael]

... I want to change the structure of this sub-section, this is the processing model

12:25:44 [raphael]

... and discuss what's happen on the UA side, and on the server side

12:26:04 [raphael]

Raphael: +1 for Michael's suggestion for the next iteration of the WD

12:26:27 [silvia]

so the suggestion is to rename 6.4 to Processing?

12:26:45 [erik]

+1 for next iteration

12:26:52 [mhausenblas]

6.4 -> Interpretation and Processing of MF

12:26:59 [silvia]

good, like it

12:27:09 [raphael]

Michael: but not talk about semantics

12:27:09 [mhausenblas]

6.4.1 Overview

12:27:20 [raphael]

+1

12:27:28 [mhausenblas]

6.4.2 UA view

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6.4.3 Server

12:27:44 [silvia]

+1

12:27:55 [raphael]

Conrad: I hope to complete my actions 63 and 69 later this week

12:28:21 [mhausenblas]

Michael: thanks, will do after splitting of docs

12:28:35 [raphael]

Topic: 4. Test Cases

12:28:51 [mhausenblas]

http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TestCasesOverview

12:29:16 [raphael]

Actual test cases: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TestCases

12:29:41 [raphael]

Michael: I motivated first the need for test cases

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... I then provided examples of test cases, these need to be approved

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q+

12:30:30 [mhausenblas]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Apr/0135.html TC setup

12:30:40 [raphael]

Email and issues from Michael: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Apr/0135.html

12:31:09 [raphael]

zakim, ack me

12:31:09 [Zakim]

I see no one on the speaker queue

12:33:59 [silvia]

zakim, unmute me

12:33:59 [Zakim]

silvia should no longer be muted

12:33:59 [raphael]

Raphael: no value means by default for the temporal dimension the start time (end time) of the resource

12:34:31 [raphael]

Yves: empty is different than not present ... i.e. sometimes, the dimension is not present, sometimes we have the default value

12:34:50 [raphael]

Michael: please, review the Test Cases, edit the wiki, mail the mailing lsit

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s/lsit/list

12:35:39 [raphael]

Michael: the intention is to go away from the wiki asap

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... since it is really painful

12:36:03 [silvia]

zakim, mute me

12:36:03 [Zakim]

silvia should now be muted

12:36:35 [raphael]

Topic: 5. Issues

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ISSUE-3?

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ISSUE-3 -- Does our MF URI syntax imply that we need to update MIME Type registrations? -- OPEN

12:36:55 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/3

12:37:31 [erik]

q+

12:37:35 [raphael]

Michael: good news, no IANA registries for fragments on media mime types

12:37:43 [raphael]

zakim, ack erik

12:37:43 [Zakim]

I see no one on the speaker queue

12:38:09 [silvia]

zakim, unmute me

12:38:09 [Zakim]

silvia should no longer be muted

12:38:10 [raphael]

ACTION: Erik to contact the editors of MPEG-21 Part 17 regarding the registry of their scheme

12:38:10 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-76 - Contact the editors of MPEG-21 Part 17 regarding the registry of their scheme [on Erik Mannens - due 2009-05-06].

12:38:25 [raphael]

ISSUE-4?

12:38:25 [trackbot]

ISSUE-4 -- Should we pre-define some track names? -- OPEN

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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/4

12:40:10 [raphael]

Silvia: I still think we need to pre-define some track names

12:40:50 [raphael]

... I will wait for Conrad's action

12:40:54 [raphael]

... not sure I understant it

12:40:57 [raphael]

ACTION-7?

12:40:57 [trackbot]

ACTION-7 -- Yves Lafon to request a new time slot on the Zakim bridge -- due 2008-10-28 -- CLOSED

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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/7

12:40:58 [silvia]

zakim, mute me

12:40:58 [Zakim]

silvia should now be muted

12:41:14 [raphael]

ISSUE-7?

12:41:14 [trackbot]

ISSUE-7 -- User Agent Media Fragment Resolution and Processing -- OPEN

12:41:14 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/7

12:41:18 [mhausenblas]

http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/UserAgentMediaFragmentResolution

12:42:02 [raphael]

Raphael: I have finally understood this issue, this is the UA point of view of what's hapening

12:42:54 [raphael]

Michael: regarding the step 2

12:43:03 [Zakim]

-Erik

12:43:11 [raphael]

... I'm referring to Common User Agent Problems

12:46:35 [Yves]

foo#bar in a redirect is currently not allowed

12:46:50 [raphael]

Michael: I just write the various possibilities

12:47:40 [raphael]

... perhaps we should just have the default behavior fallback, stating that the UA should write valid MF URI

12:49:15 [silvia]

zakim, unmute me

12:49:15 [Zakim]

silvia should no longer be muted

12:49:45 [raphael]

ACTION: Yves to investigate what's happened when facing an invalid Media Fragment URI, re step 2 of http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/UserAgentMediaFragmentResolution

12:49:46 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-77 - Investigate what's happened when facing an invalid Media Fragment URI, re step 2 of http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/UserAgentMediaFragmentResolution [on Yves Lafon - due 2009-05-06].

12:51:50 [raphael]

q+

12:52:55 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/29-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael

12:53:31 [raphael]

zakim, ack me

12:53:31 [Zakim]

I see no one on the speaker queue

12:54:25 [silvia]

zakim, mute me

12:54:25 [Zakim]

silvia should now be muted

12:56:13 [silvia]

ok, understood :)

12:57:07 [raphael]

Michael: I will put this description and diagram in the document ... instead of semantics -> processing of the media fragments

12:57:10 [raphael]

ISSUE-8?

12:57:10 [trackbot]

ISSUE-8 -- Missing collection of MF WG decisions -- OPEN

12:57:10 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/8

12:57:29 [raphael]

Do we want a wiki page that centralizes all the resolution?

12:57:45 [raphael]

Silvia: I think the issues page barely captures that

12:58:12 [silvia]

zakim, unmute me

12:58:12 [Zakim]

silvia should no longer be muted

12:58:24 [raphael]

Michael: I don't think so

12:58:45 [raphael]

Silvia: the page captures our discussion, but I agree does not endorse the decision

12:59:08 [raphael]

Michael: can we misuse the tracker?

12:59:17 [silvia]

zakim, mute me

12:59:17 [Zakim]

silvia should now be muted

13:01:02 [raphael]

We have resolved all the polls

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Michael: I volunteer to maintain this page if chairs create it

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trackbot, status?

13:02:29 [raphael]

ACTION: Raphaël to draft a wiki page for centralizing all decisions

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Created ACTION-78 - Draft a wiki page for centralizing all decisions [on Raphaël Troncy - due 2009-05-06].

13:03:01 [raphael]

Topic: 6. AOB

13:03:32 [raphael]

Michael: any news from the TAG regarding their latest finding, hash in uri?

13:03:35 [mhausenblas]

Michael thanks raphael for his great double role in scribing and chairing ;)

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Raphael: I will do that later this afternoon

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no AOB?

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meeting adjourned

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-mhausenblas

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-Yves

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-raphael

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-silvia

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IA_MFWG()8:00AM has ended

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Attendees were +0329331aaaa, +95055aabb, +3539149aacc, raphael, Yves, mhausenblas, Erik, +61.2.801.2.aadd, silvia

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/29-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael

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zakim, bye

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Meeting: W3C Media Fragments WG Telecon - 29/04/2009 12:00 UTC

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/29-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael

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Present+: Silvia

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/29-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael

13:06:25 [mhausenblas]

cya

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RRSAgent, bye

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I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/29-mediafrag-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: Erik to contact the editors of MPEG-21 Part 17 regarding the registry of their scheme [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/29-mediafrag-irc#T12-38-10

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ACTION: Yves to investigate what's happened when facing an invalid Media Fragment URI, re step 2 of http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/UserAgentMediaFragmentResolution [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/29-mediafrag-irc#T12-49-45

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ACTION: Raphaël to draft a wiki page for centralizing all decisions [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/29-mediafrag-irc#T13-02-29